Ask the alphabet soup. Genuine socialists tend to get killed.
I've asked leftypol before.. I have more questions
I'm not sure I follow. Why would I want less ability to represent myself politically?
You're basically asking for a comprehensive purview of the whole of radical leftist thought, from the ground up. Go to the reading thread and look at some basic readings or something.
The quote by Jefferson was meant to emphasize that the porosity of the ideology of the masses meant that they were volatile and susceptible, such that they would easily abuse the democracy to oppress those of a minority opinion. It was a basic defense of the initial order of American democracy - the protection of landowners rights from inroads by non-landowners. It's a fundamentally didactic defense, it states that democracy requires necessary and stringent divisions (by """merit""") to protect the representative disposition of the body
The left support the public control of industry
Marxism is an initial criticism of capitalism and political theory to establish a communist society.
Marxist-Leninists support an elected communist party centralising and collectivising all national industry to the state, for the party to then manage, and sustain society by.
Models of this sustainability are usually theorised in the mode of "state-capitalism", like China.
State-capitalism is when all of the industry in a country collectivises it's efforts to import goods into the global capitalist market to compete with other corporations, to make profit as a result. (look at "made in China" products)
the profit is then naturally distributed towards the wages of the workers, to infrastructure and maintenance of the country, and to trade and production of more materials to sell in the market, just like a regular corporation.
Maoism is an amendment in Marxist theory which corrects the assertion that a socialist society can't exist until capitalism creates the necessary modes of production in that country. Socialism can usually be seen as a synonym for state-capitalism, socialism is just the intermediary stage between capitalism and communism.
Neo-Marxism is just an umbrella term for any Marxist who adds their own perspective to Marx's criticisms or theory, so Maoism would be neo-Marxist. Maoism also has it's own theory which supports peasant revolution against feudal lords, but that is not relevant to today's world.
An anarchist is a socialist who rejects the centralisation of industry to the state-national level, they prefer more local and minimised collectivisation and influence. They are usually categorised under left-libertarianism, which is a broad term to describe all socialists who reject the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is the state-national centralisation of industry. This can be a rebellion against the regimes of the soviet union or of China.
Tankies are people who defend the actions and intentions of the soviet union.
Social democrats are people who believe in global capitalism but with major regulations on the market and on the income of citizens, usually of the rich, but also lower classes, since they figure the government can supply living conditions with compromise. Look at Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein as examples of that, although Jill is more left than Bernie.
Communism is the idea of a stateless, classless society, and it is usually imagined to be achieved through automation through the efficiency of labour in symbiosis with the rest of the nation, and in more modern times, we imagine that robots can replace workers and we can live like the people in Wall-e, so we kind of live in a renaissance of Marx's idea of capitalism improving the modes of production to perfection, as a natural transition into socialism and then communism.
NazBol is a more edgy region of leftism that usually focuses on more identitarian issues or resort to absurd and ahistorical ultimatums like working with Nazis to end global capitalism.
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Ahem, how do you think we will get a socialist economy? Do you think the bourgeoisie are just going to give it to us? Don't you think that maybe it follows that the rest of whatever you think you're noticing from leftist politics might be due to the resistance we understand to be inevitable?
I am a communist. I want communism. All good leftists want communism of some variety. The hell are the "8 pillars"?
This has to be bait. There is a huge contingent of leftists who are either anarchists or libertarian communists and you think we aren't concerned with freedom. I'm pretty sure most centralized communists talk about this shit all the time at this point, if only because they've been forced to by people who fear monger about the USSR.
Miss me with that imperialist freak. His arguments are beginner mode rightist trash.
Who was the left supposed to be here? I'm confused.
We can't be consistent with you because you're asking "the left" what it wants. I personally want libertarian communism, achieved with the arming of the working class, class struggle against the bourgeoisie which would culminate in the overthrow of the latter, the abolition of the police and private property, and the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat through worker self-managed society through collaborative councils. Other comrades have different ideas, but ultimately, we all just want capitalism gone, mate.
An just in case you are sceptical of the Chinese economy, read up on this: en.wikipedia.org
I don't think modern China is an example of communism. In some ways (lack of business regulations) it's more capitalist than the United States.
I don't blame them. You can make enemies with a lot of people with that type of thinking considering how you want to take away everyone's property. How in practice would you actually distribute land fairly when we are all inherently biased anyways?
I think democracy has less to do with the individual considering how it relies on the majority. Is my logic in the wrong place on that aspect?
Hmm I might be wrong on 8 pillars.. I've heard of it but it might not have substantiated.
On the tucker video when the guy refers to the left on that guy, he doesn't deny being representative of left.. So I don't know if that counts for something.
Wew lots of information there. I just don't sit comfortably with how other communist rulings whether it's not the same as yours- many people were slaughtered in large numbers. But I guess you or anyone else would say nothing comes without a price? How much are you willing to give for such a cause? Do you scrutinize communism enough to look for any cons?
Overall you guys.. I don't understand the majority of the issue… That if there are many people who identify with the left that you claim doesn't represent anything true to your convictions- why isn't anybody speaking up? Is it just detrimental to your cause if you do so?
… Do you like to be monitored everywhere you go? Not saying the US is very different from them- but they seem to have a more strict way of life that if you don't agree with the government they keep some "citizen credit score" that can be used to reject you from getting loans. They police people who criticize or question them.. Is that not true?
And couldn't China's "fastest growing consumer market" be contributed to the globalist agenda and NAFTA-like policies around the world? What do you think would happen if we start putting higher tariffs on their imports or just rejected trade with them? They can't sustain themselves without us in my opinion- correct me if I'm wrong… And their quality of air in Beijing.. Fuck that. They use apps to filter out the pollution just to take good pictures… Maybe their main problems have more to do with population size?..
I mean if China was a good example of communism, no thank you. I like my ability to say whatever the fuck I want. One of main issues is that there is no "good" examples of communism out there. Everyone who has attempted their own version seemed to have missed the whole point of it all- am I right? If this an ongoing premise- what is to say that your own cause might not meet the same fate as all the others that have failed?
Well yeah, it's state-capitalist, not communist.
It takes time to become a self-sufficient society
I was just informing OP on the success of the socialistic model of China in the global market.
Dude, don't shit up an info thread with crap about China being socialist, its no more socialist than the EU countries. That is to say, it's flat out not socialist at all