Changetherules Australia

There's a massive union campaign over here in Australia with TV advertisements and protests to "change the rules":
changetherules.org.au/

It doesn't seem to be revolutionary/communist yet, but it is anti-corporation, and it might turn revolutionary/communist soon.

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I think the unions in this country have had enough of being kicked around by the Liberal government, they're starting to stand up for themselves. This could be a good opportunity for the left in Aus, we'd be foolish not to stand with the unions.

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Until they radicalise, they're going to remain ineffective. I used to be a member of NUW, but they are a bunch of liberal assholes that take your money and do fuck all with it. To make matters worse they also support the right wing of the labor party (neo-liberals).

Forgot flag

Unions are counter revolutionary

Union bureaucracy/management certainly are, but I wouldn't write unions off entirely. I still think it's possible work within unions to radicalise workers, but it's important for the workers not to obey the union bureaucracy as they'll always betray you in order to secure their continued existence/income/legality.

This. Lenin advocated working within Unions even if the leadership is rightwing.

Agreed, but we need to be pushing for real industrial action, actually breaking the rules to change them. At the moment this is just going to be another 'please vote Labor' campaign like we had back in the workchoices days.

Leadership can always be killed off.

One step at a time ☭TANKIE☭-kun. People aren't even willing to engage in wildcat strikes aren't going to be killing anyone.

Sally McManus seems to be somewhat radical (see pic related). Might even be /ourguy/ hiding her power levels but I doubt it.


The right-wing of the labor party need to be purged. Some of them are literal fucking Reaganites.

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I wish we lived in a world where this had any chance of happening.

Wage theft is something even well meaning reformists rarely touch on. I'd say she's hiding some power level.

I really hope that is the case and that this is the beggining of a revived union movement and all that. But even Keating, the cunt labor pm and treasurer who implemented neoliberalism here came out recently against it. It might just be opportunism because they are sensing a change with figures like Sanders, Corbyn and Melenchon becoming popular.

SA Labor made it one of their policies but lost the election. Looks like NSW labor And Vic Labor made it a policy soon. Good chance it will get implemented in Victoria as the state liberal party are known for being pricks (e.g colluding with the mafia, being racist, rigging votes)


I think there are some opportunists in the revived union movement (e.g Shorten) but there are a lot of /ourguys/ there too. Leftism is getting popular in Aus.

Yeah Shorten is a real grub. He was head of the AWU i think. Which says a lot really given how shit they are.

The problem is getting those good unionists to embrace revolutionary socialism.

Australia is a very Zig Forums country in some ways. Politically incorrect, but I think most people also generally pro-working class, at least in sentiment. We have a fair share of alt-right retards but little of the super insane shit like Christian Identity or the KKK that the US has. The one thing I'd say we have going against us is the myth that we're somehow a classless society under capitalism. We have less of a classboner than Britain, for sure, but that's not saying much.


The Eureka Stockade flag wouldn't be a bad candidate for a socialist flag if it was red and yellow tbh.

As a britbong I would like to offer some advice. Now it is a bit of a misconception that Momentum, a campaigning org, was responsible for Corbyn's leadership. In fact one of the biggest support networks came from the trade unions, especially in organising public events and policy forums. You can start with the unions and work on from there. Now having a situation where the unions are seen as the good guys is a great start, but you need to also start preposing an alternative economic plan wheee stonger unions are a part, not the bedrock. I don't know much about Aussie political economics, but a good message to start with is nationalising a failing private utility. From there you can start to build, I hear nationalising telecomm infrustructure is popular? Perhaps start with that. Oh also Momentum themselves offer international training sessions, if you are serious and are setting up a group contact them once you have a few people. Good luck.

This. There's a general aura of a "fair go for all" and a underdog support found within Australian society.

The problem is however, is convincing people in Aus to actually except socialism. Things have the potential to get worse, but so far we haven't gotten ourselves stuck in an economic crisis and people seem content with voting the problem away as opposed to combatting it entirely.

I certainly do think that Unions could factor into a good body for revolution, but I'm also somewhat skeptical of intense secretarians like Socialist Alliance hijacking the movement.

Also how do we know that /ourguys/ can deliver if elected into parliament as opposed to being dogged by the senate?

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Thoughs? Looks like the Irish housing crisis all over again.

Going to be a lot of upset boomers when the bubble bursts.

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read this as well theconversation.com/i-predicted-the-last-financial-crisis-now-soaring-global-debt-levels-pose-risk-of-another-84136

I recon Australia's economy going to get fucked pretty soon. Us Aussie leftist need to be ready so that when it happens, Australia moves to left and we end up with an /ourguy/ instead of a Trump. Conservatives are already becoming more reactionary (Dutton is pretty much alt-right) but the "left" are only using populist rhetoric.


I think you underestimate how reactionary Australia can be. Just look at all the stupid African gang shit in Victoria and the South African farmer marches in Adelaide. Australians are pretty spooked, so even a semi-class conscious prole would vote for a fascist if they think that "Aussie culture is under attack!"

Also the Eureka Stockade flag is perfection.

They wont unless every demand is backed bu direct action or the threat of it.

Like this?

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Really its fine as it is for a socialist flag. They dont need to all follow the same pattern. Plus red and yellow can look really ugly.

I see what you mean.

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lol, love it. Mad Max but with aliens and Communism.

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Fuck yeah, cunt!

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t.tankie

Is there a posadist party in Australia? This may be our best option

There's trots but no posadists as far as I've seen.

Start one.

I'm on it.

Should be called the 'Australien' Posadist Party.

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