Merkel and Immigration

Why did Angela Merkel initiate an "open-door" policy regarding refugees? The CDU is conservative and many similar parties throughout Europe run on anti-immigration platforms. Why is it different in Germany?

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Merkel personally wanted to establish herself as Europe's bold leader who makes hard decisions. She wanted that Nobel Peace Prize badly.

German population aging, low birth rate, needs more workers to keep up welfare state. That's what I'm guessing.

Neolibs all support mass immigration. They have done so since the 70s

Something like this. Germany's birthrate is only a little bit higher than Japan's. Imperialist policies can only generate so much super profit. You need economic bag holders for the older generation.

Really? From what I understood most Western European center-right parties pursue roughly the same policy as the CDU; that's why right-wing alternatives (like the UKIP in the UK or the FN in France) have become popular.

virtue signaling

The UK Conservative party ran on a platform of getting immigration down to the tens of thousands in 2010, then oversaw the highest net immigration figures in British history.
In that case it's partially that the Conservatives don't really believe in it, they're just pandering to a sentiment they created to wind people up over Blair. It's also partially for those who do believe in it that institutional realities don't shift. I'm sure there's a name for it - but basically the nature of parliamentary politics is that all ideology winds up compromised, even pure ideology that is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie.

But to achieve that wouldn't it make more sense to limit immigration to skilled workers and tell poormies to fuck off? Why take the risk when immigration is so unpopular in Europe?

Sarkozy was elected President of France in 2007 on an aggressively anti-immigrant platform.

keep in mind that most of the non-german immigrants from germany are from other parts of europe, stuff like the 'open-door' refugee policy is only one fraction of the immigration situation in europe

Germany doesn't need more skilled workers. They need an underclass that can do shit jobs and pay taxes. Like any degenerate imperialist socdem society they are trying to protect their labor aristocracy via exploitation of the third world.

There are less deportations under Trump right now than there were under Obama. Does that mean that Trump isn't "really" anti-immigration or that his administration doesn't take step to fuck up migrants or refugees?

But aren't low-skilled jobs scarce in Europe? Importing migrants as cheap labor makes sense in a situation of labor shortage, not saturated market.

aren't the recent migrants a huge net drain on the welfare state because their unemployment rate of immigrants is so high

I mean, there's a perfectly reasonable case to be made that Trump holds no actual beliefs and just wings it every single day based on what appeals then and there.

trump has been relatively consistent on trade since the 80s

They didn't. Sweden is the only country that had automatic acceptance of anyone on refugee status. Everything else is exagerated by nationalists.

I know "mass" migration is a meme and that moving to the first wold is actually a lengthy procedure with no guaranteed outcome. But it's a fact that Germany is the country with the highest amount of refugees right now.

She wanted to make billionaire German industrialists richer than they already are. Anything you hear anyone else spouting is just a meme, including Zizek's bullshit assertion that German acceptance of refugees was "an ethical miracle".

Prior to the late 80s Germany's elite controlled a greater share of Germany's wealth than their counterparts in the US elite did in America.

Mass migration into Germany isn't to fund the welfare state, its collapsing to the point that Germany finally had to institute a minimum-wage in order to keep their population from being too rapidly pauperized. Germany isn't in fiscal-trouble it has one of the smallest debt-to-GDP ratios of any major Western power at just 68.1% of GDP. The surprising non-catastrophes of Japan's 239% debt-to-GDP ratio and early 19th century Britain's astonishing debt level of 260% of GDP also suggests that sovereign debt is less harmful than its portrayed to be by bourgeois economists. Germany can easily finance what's left of its welfare state for the foreseeable future.

Plus the truth is what this armchair pointed out:
Recent immigrants use up more social services than natives and so the main explanation for (relative) border liberalism in Germany has to be sought in a desire to boost profits for private firms

I guess I should add two other reasons:
1. to weaken Syria and vilify Assad by portraying the refugee influx as being the result of Syrian resistance rather than the spectacular barbarity of the West's jihadist armies.
2. to serve as a rat-line for Jihadist stooges from all over the region and to reinforce reactionary sentiments among the population; creation of an American-style "culture war" where the proletariat is intentionally split along ethnic lines as well as other non-essential issues.

Because subhumans are easier to control.

We found that out when millions of Germans decided to kill themselves for a guy named Adolf.

Germany is also one of the largest countries in europe

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Yeah, but the amount of refugees they've taken it is incomparable to France's or Spain's, and let's not even talk about Poland.

That's because of pure kindhearted of Poles. They know that even they do not want to live there, so they are trying to protect those poor immigrants searching for better life.

Except they refuse to do so. The decline of the German welfare state causes great societal ruptures, including an increase in right-wing populism because it coincides with the migrant crisis.

Think about it: Every party in the German parliament, the CDU/CSU, FDP, Grüne and AfD are all for austerity politics. The only party that isn't is DieLinke, which is ostracized and called a Putin puppet.

Because there are over a billion chinese people and the only way Westerners can hope to compete is by bringing in more workers.

it's almost like capital doesn't give a shit about national borders or race or anything as long as they can exploit you

German history. Even moderate conservatives are liberal on racial/immigration issues.

Its funny that capitalism is internationalist nowdays and leftist are more national focused.

It's funny that you're retarded and don't know what "internationalism" means

To me internationalism is globalism and its far more important than class struggle.

Because

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you are confusing ron paul tards with actual economists such as Krugman

All in all it's not that huge actually. It's blown way out of proportion. There aren't that many immigrants as many make it out to be.

Funnily enough that's mainly because they aren't allowed to work.

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He's an annoying prick, but still an economist.
Lolberts tend to be some of the least economically literate people, which is why normies generally cannot stand them.

Because "Hitler is bad so let's do the opposite of Hitler"

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I never said being an economist was an achievement.

Merkel actually made a refugee girl cry telling her she has to go back, which caused outrage. Since then she did a 180 on refugees.

Honestly I think she was planning on trying to somehow resettle them all over Europe. Massive amounts of non-native immigrants might actually help dissolve Europe's many national borders over time if those immigrants were evenly distributed.

nobody did that, it's propaganda

How do you figure

This is basically it. Merkel's strategy is about German dominance of the EU. She's openly anti-"multikulti."

Yeah but the girl was Palestinian so she wasn’t being racist :^) made by Zionist GANG

It isn't all her fault, in fact the situation is more complicated then that. The one good Rosa killer made a video about this recently actually.

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She's a capitalist

Care to substantiate your point?

> Massive amounts of non-native immigrants might actually help dissolve Europe's many national borders over time if those immigrants were evenly distributed.
You do realize the Schengen agreement did exactly that twenty years ago, right?

The goal would be to bring in people who weren't european in origin and so were lacking in any sort of ethnospooks.

I like him

Shes ex-STASI spy that will bring us true internationalism.

Thats not true. You need to have good reasons to get asylum.

There was never a formal policy, only a confluence of an acute crisis (sudden influx of refugees through the Balkans) that Europe was not prepared for, did not have any plans to deal with, and didn't even have any well-prepared messaging to respond to it, leading to people default to either reactionary or liberal platitudes. But as soon as the shock had passed somehow what, there was a clear and concerted effort to shuffle of the dirty work of keeping refugees out to the Balkan states (looking the other way as they built wall and abused refugees), and to make deals with Turkey and the warlords in Libya to try and stem the refugee flows at the source. And these efforts have been successful; the influx of people has been reduced to pre-2015 levels.

Pretending to be welcoming while scrambling to put up walls is the image you should picture here.

The real European policy with regards to migration has always been to try and attract as much high skilled labour as possible, brain-drain the developing world like the US has successfully done for so long, and to undermine the Western European welfare states by bringing in Eastern (and increasingly Southern) Europeans.

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International, across or between nations.

And before you start to a tism fit about it no one who isn't an outright Communist cares or even knows about the Socialist International. It is effectively dead.

Well then they have failed again since all the new arrivals are possessed by ethnic or religious spooks.

Europeans are hardly the only group spooked by ethnicity. In fact, I'd argue they're the least likely to be today considering they directly saw what that sort of shit led to.

there never was an open door to europe
greece has built walls and fences, they only allowed to move migrants from entry countries (italy, greece) to central europe
those refugees arrived by sea dying in the process

essentially this

Merkel tries very hard never to make an unpopular decision, to the point of having no personal believes

The majority of the German people used to be in favor of taking in war refugees. Not sure about the latest numbers. The conservative right mostly hustles against "economic refugees"

Well, Syrian refugees are indeed a minority. However the immigration issue is ridiculously overplayed by the right. I don't even talk about muh Great Replacement type far-right nutcases, even the moderate/liberal right does this. The increase in crime is not happening, and most migrants do work, the only thing where you can feel a change is in the social safety network. Public housing is already scarce so the influx of migrants is felt the most there, because they have their living space allocated with a priority, because otherwise they would end up right on the street. However, it's a minor issue abused by politicians left and right. The Green party for example dropped all social and economic policies when in negotiations with the lolberts, whereas the immigration issue led to such a fall out that the negotiations were canceled.

Generally, I'm more worried about the new Bavarian police law right now that criminalized mental illness and enables the cops to put you in prison for 24h without a reason. Communism is almost outlawed here.

Interesting point of view. So basically, Germany was pretty much caught by surprise and couldn't help but accept a certain amount of refugees… that is, until eastern European countries did all the dirty work for them. So they got all the good PR about being humanists when really they just went along with what was pretty much inevitable to begin with. Did I get that right? I would appreciate it if you could provide a link or two for further inquiry.

That's not true.

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Why is Europe still allied with the USA? clearly their foreign policy is directly opposed to our material interests.

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Our material interests as workers but not their material interests as Europe's ruling class, which is as integral to Western imperialism as the US.

This is true to an extent

Like the DPRK is democratic. What have they conserved? Opening the doors to the third world isn't right wing, it isn't anything. It's straight up national suicide.

They didn't "open" any "door".

It's occupied by 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 USA 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

tf u talking about

The status quo and capitalist profit, the only thing conservative politicans care about. They don't actually give a shit about right-wing spooks.

The CDU is liberal by American standards.

The CDU was even able to continue existing in East Germany by accepting socialism as historically inevitable: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Union_(East_Germany)

because the falling rate of profit necessitates the need for cheap labor pools

True about the CDU, not about the CSU. Their newest law requires every government office to put up a crucifix on the wall.

Parties in the DDR were pretty much empty shells with no actual sway in politics that served mostly to make pretend that the country was a pluralistic democracy.

That is not true, they had seats in the parliament and could openly advocate for their ideas - the CDU and the liberal party could advocate for privatization and traditional values without being censored. Meanwhile, the communist party was outlawed in the West. The non-SED parties participated actively in the National Unity Front.

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The GDR had nothing to "pretend". It did not claim to be a bourgeois democracy. The other parties did not function the same way they do in capitalist countries.

Is this Ismail's account?

/u/hysnikapo is Ismail I'm pretty sure.

Thats a lot of unemployable people.

You're a beneficiary of America's global empire.

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Huh, I didn't know Germany would have less service industry than France and the UK. That's quite surprising.

Germany is the king of exports so they have to produce something right.

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We need more bulls

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Bingo. I don't have sources on hand, this is just knowledge from following the news closely for years. But you can google the deals between Europe and Turkey on refugees, and its cooperation with Libya in this regard, they are well known and well reported. Bulgarian mistreatment and killing of refugees has also gotten decent press. You can also look at the evolution of the missions to rescue people in the Mediterranean, from Mare Nostrum to Triton, and read between the lines about just how welcoming we are.