Sargon has debated Muke today which will be uploaded on Sargon's channel soon. Apparently the student's union has canceled the event because of the threat of Antifa storming the event so they held the debate on a field of grass.
The topic was supposed to be Antifa itself. In my opinion, nothing good can come of these debates if the left side agrees to basically being on the defense for the entire debate - with Antifa it's especially bad because every libshit can call himself Antifa and do something retarded, and the way the debate is set up, the left side somehow has to defend it. Sargon is never pushed to defend his retarded "liberalistism" but can be in attack mode without ever having to defend his ideas. Of course, Muke doesn't care about this because he's in it for the clicks.
Anarchopac said she's making a long response to Roo. I can't wait for Roo to have an extreme meltdown to the point of violence.
Connor Adams
Carl is a babbling pissant and will never have a debate that isn't framed in his favor. I fully expect him to lose to Muke solely because Muke is remotely capable of having an argument effectively, even if he is still shit at theory.
Carson Jenkins
wow I did not see that coming.
Logan Powell
What's the point of it though? It seems to me that Muke, Anarchopac etc. are just using Jason as a strawman for Marxism-Leninism because he's the lowest hanging fruit. Muke wouldn't even touch those two hour responses from FinnBol.
Muke has like four to five arguments in his repertoire. After that, he just repeats them without coming up with something new. See how he links the same Libcom article and the same Japanese article for a good year now in every single debate.
Anthony Adams
There is a difference between being right and winning a debate. Sophistry is often more powerful than arguments based on a wealth of evidence and facts.
Ayden Edwards
I hope he didn't pick up when Muke said he has never been to a demo as Antifa in the DR layman debate.
Nathan Gutierrez
Of course he hasn't, he's a skeleton. Check out this pic and see how on the left side of his shirt, the sun is shining through almost a third of it, it's like he has no body there
Kayden Carter
CUT YOUR FUCKING BARNET YOU DISGUSTING SPECIMEN!!!
Well also because he's the most visible ML right now.
Roo will no doubt make a three minute response to Pac consisting mostly of accusations of personal attacks and claiming Pac is "playing the victim" or whatever.
Andrew Green
What the fuck is this shit? Jason ain't the smartest around, he's a good propagandist and you guys are jumping on the hate wagon just because twitter leftist told you so. Jason at least never sucked liberal cock, contrary to bat'ko ecc.
Bentley Cruz
Jason may not be "liberal" but his 3rd Worldism comes off as idpol.
Tumblr: "Dear white cis males - YOU ARE NOT OPPRESSED."
Roo: "Dear first worldists - YOU ARE NOT OPPRESSED."
Really, the only reason why this board likes him is because he brings down everyone living in the 1st world and attacks feminists, black activists, etc. on the basis that the 3rd world is more oppressed, therefore they aren't (which is a huge fallacy). And just like tumblr, he derives his conclusions from feels over reals. Sure, he may show a graph or two depicting wages or the cost of living in Ghana vs. the US, but it's a non-sequitur to claim oppression doesn't exist at all in the 1st world just because it exists more visibly in the 3rd.
Charles Sullivan
I don't think he's deliberately shitting on First Worlders unless they are gathering behind some basic bitch SocDem or ignore imperialism. He just thinks that the First World has non revolutionary potential
I know it's trash when he talks that way, but I like him because he's always present and also because he regularly puts twitter liberals (like anarcopac) in place. Obviously he could be better and we could have a better propagandist, but it's him or muke, bat'ko ecc. At least Unrhue never tried to pader to the liberals which could have gotten hin more views and money. He still choose to not give a shit about them. This shows purity and integrity, which all the other lack.
Jaxon Russell
This is 100% true. Theorielet or not, he's not a sell out.
Jayden Garcia
He's stated many times he doesn't believe anyone living in the 1st World is oppressed. In fact, he attacks feminists and BLM more often than he attacks the right.
He panders to rightists though. Most of the comments he gets on his videos are from alt-righters who like the fact he's attacking SJWs.
Ian Ortiz
Which is not a small accomplishment for a guy who basically lives with ad revenue.
Owen Lopez
He has actually stated it though. He spends too much time on social media so his main exposure to the Western left is the singularity of pretension and teenage contrarianism on Twitter.
Camden Fisher
Not on purpose and if anything this proves that if "our" people would not defend liberals and crypto SJW every time we would have a larger base
Nicholas Campbell
It's not as simple as that. To idiots like Sargon, we are these social liberal fuckwits. They absolutely refuse to believe otherwise and constantly try to drive it home as a trump card to automatically win arguments.
Ethan Flores
What makes feminists and BLM "liberal", in your own words? Not Zizek's, not Chibber's, yours. I'd rather side with liberals who recognize my humanity as a person than brocialists and TERFs who don't.
Grayson Diaz
I don't even disagree, I know sargon is dishonest. But it's not like "we" don't give him a chance. I mean contrapoints, Hdbomber guy, shaun, muke, bat'ko… It's not that sargon and the likesare making shit out of nowhere. Name one leftist that explicitly talks shit about liberals and fake leftist? I can't think of any beside jim profit, j barg and Roo (and they are still autistic as fuck). If there is someone better who doesn't give a shit about political correctness, being called out or insulting twitter leftist let me know
Not him, but here's some "original words" (those don't exist, BTW) In theory, feminists can be radical, however, in their current incarnation, social-justice^TM having been completely made into a commodity, they serve only to distract from larger issues. Simply put, when the West is bombing the Middle East, when the Jews are committing acts of genocide against Palestine, when the DPRK is being pressured into trying to make peace with the south to avoid annihilation, when the climate promises the deaths of over half mankind in the nest 100 years, I frankly don't care if Black, Female, Gay, Trans, whatever, "representation" isn't the best. These pathetic first world issues don't even deserve consideration until we can ensure 1. the continued existence of the human race, at all, seriously, climate change is big shit. 2. the end of the oppression of the third world.
Gabriel Wilson
Shit, didn't mean to greentext that last bit, everything after "BLM" is supposed to be plain text
Kayden Cruz
If you value identity over class (or, in a display of ignorance, believe class is an identity), you are not a leftist. Period. I'm gay and every time I try to make a left wing argument to an idpol type, they avoid making an actual point and start babbling about "internalized homophobia" or some other Bulverism. Brocialists are a myth by dishonest ideologues that weaponize political correctness to avoid criticism of their dogma, actual sexists hate leftism aside from extremely niche ideologies like Asserism because they believe an equal society is unjust. Just because people don't care about your identity doesn't mean they aren't concerned with your human dignity.
Exactly, it is talking to a wall. Sargon does not change minds, he caters to people who want biases confirmed or an excuse to get angry about something childishly simplistic.
Jose Sullivan
They are stupid liberal who buy in the narrative of "we wuz kangz" and their solutions consist of more rapresentation in the media and apologism for black corporate culture. Think of the difference between Fred hampton and MLK and what BLM say. Plus does BLM speak to actual black workers or speaks to college liberals ready to scream cultural appropriation against dreads? People like BML don't understand the root of the problem and don't have a problem with capitalism ecc. Their reasoning is settler tier shit, they are fighting racism with more racism. There was a time where you would have got banned for using this kind of lingo. >>>/tumblr/
Adrian Mitchell
Woke-Twitter is an abomination
Adrian Nguyen
Literally every other socialist site on the web panders to people like you, why the fuck do you bother coming here just to shit it up?
Brandon Rogers
I know you guys won't like what I have to say, but if I learnt one thing is that any movement that isn't explicitly and openly anti-racist, pro-lgbt whatever will be coopted by the right easily, is just the path of least resistance for impressionable young men to become anti-capitalists while remaining reactionary bigots. I mean all we have to do is look at how much of a shitty mess NazBol has become. Again it's not idpol or whatever it's just the way it is, if we're on the left that means we have to accept certain things as part of our struggle.
So yes Jason may not be deliberately pandering to the alt-right, the effect is the same, he is giving them talking points all the same, he's hurting vulnerable populations and perhaps even putting them in danger all the same.
Leo Jackson
So here's a picture of me side hugging this fascist
Caleb Lopez
Muke is kinda cute. Sargon is unsurprisingly short.
Caleb Sanders
why the fuck do people like you always conflate being against liberal bullshit with siding with the right >will be coopted by the right easily i cannot think of one example of this happening. by contrast, i can think of countless examples of communism being co-opted by redlibs if you think nazbol is real you're clinically retarded.
Aiden Myers
Name 1. ONE fucking time that happened ever. Name 1 single time a anti capitalist movement got coopted by reactionaries. Really 1 is enough.
And remind me how do you think socialism will change their minds? Maybe someone dislikes this stuff, but as long as he isn't straight out asserite or calls for genocide of these groups remind me what it's the problem?
Josiah Sanders
This shit doesn't deserve a thread. It should either be in /leftytrash/ or there should finally be a e-celeb cyclical and everything contained there.
Kayden Jenkins
Are you fucking serious my dude?
Matthew Gonzalez
For the love of Christ, just because someone doesn't like the gays doesn't mean they're right wing. If someone is a genuine anti-capitalist they are leftist.
Ethan Lopez
You didn't even mention the fact that anti-racism, pro-lgbt, etc, have all been coopted by the capitalist class, I.E the right
Hunter White
You're telling me. I advocated for making the last e-celeb thread cyclical but it got bumplocked because Chaya got exposed. Besides, sometimes these threads cause authentic exchanges, which is what this one is doing right now.
Evan Taylor
Being anti-capitalist is only the past of least resistance if you are a dumb college kid that just wants to be part of an edgy clique. Explicit leftist platforms are not coopted by the right, they are snuffed out by media and alphabet agencies. Yes, technically, being anti-idpol does mean a movement allows people with personal prejudices to join, but that does not mean these biases will be entertained. Being firmly against identity politics is important because Western leftists are incapable of shutting the fuck up about them and refuse to discuss anything else. We are not trying to be the fucking thought police! If you cannot handle the notion of being around people you might not like, it only means you have growing up to do.
Wyatt Jackson
Is this honestly what you believe?
Owen Torres
Of course NazBol is a joke, so was the Cult of Kek, look at the godawful consequences that has had.
Gender is also a property relation, Engels even said this. Where do you think it comes from?
Eli Brown
yes, in the 19th century
Ayden Jones
Funnily enough, people in the 19th century tended to say things in the 19th century.
Alexander Phillips
And historical materialism of today has only proven him correct. Show me a 21st century Marxist author who says gender is anything other than 1. rooted in property and 2. a class in itself.
Andrew Reed
if you believe that gender in the first world in the 21st century is still a "property relation" you have fucking brain damage
Julian Ward
On some level, yes, on another, no. The division of labor according to sex is a property relation. The bias of pay based on gender is a property relation. Gender itself is not a property relation, it has implications as to one's position to the means of production, but it is not itself a relation thereto.
Robert Rodriguez
That is the entire fucking point. It is an extension of capitalism, so anti-capitalism is necessarily opposed to it. The problem with identity politics is not that they address identity at all, it is that they consider identity to be above all else, the central relation of society.
Sargon gets confronted by Antifa after the debate, Muke rushes in to defend him
Dominic Robinson
Corporate neoliberalism already coopts these movements individually. I'm not sure how you've forgotten that. In , this theory sounds like pure invention on your part.
Jace Garcia
I warned muke about this shit. Never do a debate where you have to make a shit ton of concessions to make your point.
Austin Hill
P O T T E R Y O T T E R Y
Justin Peterson
…that doesn't happen in that video, like at all. Did you link the wrong video?
Samuel Harris
I love that picture so fucking much
Jacob Morgan
Didn't watch it, but based on OP's pic Sargon looks like a friendly, civilized, mildy chubby guy. Muke looks like Sideshow Bob with AIDS. So I say Sargon won.
Angel Williams
The voice in the background is Muke. On the second part you see him standing next to Sargon.
Angel Robinson
why would any of those people waste time on retarded liberals instead of attacking the right
Jackson Stewart
This.
Camden Rodriguez
I'd rather side with actual leftists than people who need their "humanity" to be "recognized" by "liberals."
Yeah it was, it's gonna get uploaded this weekend according to Muke.
Landon Hughes
What the fuck is wrong with this nigger Muke? why does he associate with our enemy? why isn't he doxxing him? ffs, I don't even want to hate him for memey reasons, but these Carlgon-Muke photos are too much.
Zachary Thomas
Exactly this dude is supposedly defending antifascists in the debate while giving a nice christian side hug to the guy whom you know he claims is a fascist. This shit is CONTRIVED.
