How are you voting in 2020?

Dumpster fire. Losing to Trump twice is the only way Democrats will ever learn.

they said that during Bush's two terms.

I prefer an inept and ineffectual democratic party

Identify the candidate that the establishment hates the most. Last thing US needs is a competent POTUS. Trump might flip.

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If the GOP get a trouncing this season, he'll have challengers crawling out of the woodwork. I feel the Republican primary will be about old GOP ideals vs. Trumpism. Trump will win it in the end, however, since the GOP too cucked to primary a sitting president.

However, this is just speculation. Trump might actually make it to 2020 with the way things are going.

*not. Might not.

THumP Trump in 2020

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the betting markets have him at 60% to finish this term.
The House will probably flip this upcoming election, but the senate map is very strong for republicans so that chamber will probably hold.
A democratic house will almost certainly immediately impeach Trump, but it takes 67 votes for the senate to convict, which the Democrats will almost certainly not get.

I think there is a decent chance of the Mueller investigation uncovering enough dirt for republicans to impeach in the next few months. Although I am suspicious that Mueller might be waiting to disclose his findings until the fall for maximum political fallout.

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I wouldn't be too sure about that. One of the takeaways from McConnell's refusal to protect Mueller is that he's practically daring Trump to make an impeachable offense. I think the Senate GOP would be glad to be rid of Trump, they just don't want to destroy their base to do it.

I'm almost certain that's going to happen. Mueller needs a Democrat controlled House to hold Trump accountable for anything.

What about them?

They won't learn, and to some extent this is fair - the GOP consistently wins with a significantly smaller (and shrinking) voter base. The idea that the Dems would win if they had an actual decent platform may have merit, but when they lose with an advantage of several million votes, it's clear where the disadvantage lies - they aren't gaming it as hard as Republicans. Republicans realize that with the Dems offering about the same economic platform and with social conservatism on the wane that they're better off going hard with gerrymandering and keeping a clique of nutbag diehards who will jump whenever GOP politicians bullshit about voter fraud.

are they close enough to socialism?

There is an actual socialist party.
More than one, actually. If I'm not mistaken, Monica Moorehead runs every election. WWW and PSL and Democrat Cops of America are all considerably better known than this THumP thing, but not on the list.

i honestly forgot they were a thing in the 3rd party crowd. i've never heard of any party you mentioned. goes to show how they're shut out of media.

Eh, the Trump presidency is the senate GOP's baby. MccConnell is perhaps responsible more than anyone else in DC for giving us Trump in the first place. Had he not held open Scalia vacancy and made the presidential election a 'referendum on the supreme court', Clinton would surely be president today.

who in the poll more closely liines up with socialist party?

this tbh. I'm anticipating a dem split. there's no way people can keep watching the dems eat shit against….these people.

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It's going to be one hell of a split.

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I am ready. President Dore here we come.

The GOP gets their "wins" though gerrymandering and fraud, it's been studied for decades.

But the GOP establishment wanted a Jeb presidency, not Trump. Trump is a horrible nightmare they can't wake up from.

A Clinton presidency would be better for them than this bullshit.

There will be no 2020 user

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Then you're not a leftist

OK but imagine how pissed the voters will be if they can't beat Trumpster fire in 2020. Especially if they dick Bernie (or someone similar) again and try to push Hilldog or Feely Joe or someone.

Trump 2020 tbh.
Destroy the american hegemony by showing how farcical it really is.

That's what I like about you, user-kun, the optimism.

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This wikipedia article is a bit dated, in 2016 they officially adopted socialism and anti-capitalism to their platform
londongreenleft.blogspot.com/2016/08/us-green-party-convention-adopts.html
gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=835

hence the flag

For those of you in Europe or other, saner places, my state lets the Dems and Reps take turns drawing the voting districts. The last time it was the Republicans' "turn," and they basically legislated themselves into power for the next decade. For all intents and purposes, their supermajority in the legislature was completely secure.

That's been a big part in a lot of the jurisdictional struggles between the State and Local legislatures in my state. You might have heard of that "bathroom bill" shit a few years ago. Charlotte wanted to let transexuals use whatever bathroom they wanted in public.

Raleigh (the capital of North Carolina) threw a fit and shoved through their bathroom bill, saying that something like bathroom use could only be decided at the state level. There was a lot of hay made with this in the liberal media, the bigotry, backwardsness, how awful, handwring handwring, etc, but they universally failed to mention all the anti worker shit buried in the meat of the bill. Bathrooms was only one of the things the bill touched on, while most of it was about precluding localities from setting their own minimum-wage laws for contract workers and contractors.

All of this is a product of the progressive failure of the sort of top-down control preferable to the bourgeoisie. Worker-friendly laws like minimum wage increases can't be pushed through at the Federal level, so workers legislate it in their state legislatures; lately that's been in the various forms of ballot referenda existing between states, but there's increasing bourgeois-class reaction to that, too. In several states, workers have passed measures mandating minimum-wage increases, only for their state senate to override it in the legislature. A few years ago, minwage increases were on the California ballot, which actually had the effect of getting a miwage increase passed by the legislature. This was not however a response to the popular will, but a reaction to it. Apparently, the bill was only passed because if passed by ballot, the state would otherwise be bound to implement the language of the ballot. However, by passing the increase through the senate, the only thing holding the government to the increase was the will of the governor, who could basically cancel the increase at essentially any time, for any reason. Now state legislatures are also trying to take away the right to that sort of ballot initiative.

This is all after too Time Warner Cable bribing state senates to ban municipal cable. Foreignfags that have never been: the internet in the US sucks. It's the worst quality at highway robbery prices. Because they're not profitable, rural communities have mostly had to make due with dialup-tier connections. The best internet in the state is now operated by the municipality of Pilot Mountain, the town they modeled Mayberry on in The Andy Griffith Show. TWC banned municipal cable because a market that they refused to serve managed to create for themselves a product that TWC had no intention or interest in offering.

TL;DR: the interests and needs of the people are already clashing, and the result is increasingly severe reactions against democracy. Alienation toward government in general is spreading rapidly as more and more people find things being legislated at odds with and sometimes in direct contradiction to their general wishes.

2020 should be really exciting.

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I'm voting for the ballot measures, and I'll probably just randomly fill-in the rest of the politicians running

This is the best post itt. Heavily underrated.

Gerrymandering also has the somewhat annoying effect of packing your opponents voters into a few highly partisan districts, in order to minimize their representation.

This creates wacky situations, like in Florida's 20th district where for 25 years, voters have continuously elected a guy who had previously been removed from the federal judiciary for taking a $150,000 bribe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcee_Hastings

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t. leftcom

this is correct & i don't think enough people are aware

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hint: You only get to choose a neocon.

Elections are rigged. I don't mean "elections are bought by bourgeois interests and inevitably produce results for the ruling class only", I mean they are straight-up rigged, votes are fabricated and nothing so quaint as "democracy" is allowed to make decisions in America.

When I vote, I pretend the election matters for a day, and I find the horse race narratives they build entertaining, but I know full well that the vote literally does not matter, not even as a drop in the ocean. Voting for protest, or for some goal of acceleration, is pointless - you see with Trump that he was always going to stay the course, and the only thing that came out of Trump is that fascist feefees got a boost. Trump would never have seen the light of day if he weren't part of the plan from the start, and his behavior so far has been painfully predictable - hell, it's just a rerun of Ronny Raygun.

He'll never go for it.

If The Rock doesn't runs, I'm going to vote for the le evil DRUMPTF… again.

F-first in Freedom, right comrade?

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This guy gets it.

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Voting in America only comes down to which neoliberal aristocrat warhawk do you like best.

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Ay, other NC comrades!

Are you guys in or around Greensboro?

so, Democrat?

I don't even think it's like that, although of course qualifications to be a candidate are controlled through a filter such that, usually, voters are presented with a null choice. I'm saying that, straight-up, votes are rigged and candidates are installed rather than voted on with genuine popular support (or at least, support of 50% of eligible voters, which is skewed towards the bourgeoisie). When Trump was running against Clinton, there was not a genuine choice to be had, and not just because Trump was a family friend of the Clintons; rather, Trump was the plan, the narrative the rulers wanted to build, and if the vote did not elect Trump legitimately votes would have been altered. The narrative calls for the rise of a fascist movement, not more Clintonism or a radical centrist like Bloomberg. (I actually think the real vote was even more in favor of Trump, with the largest alterations being the elimination of third-party votes and tacking on lots of Clinton votes in deep blue precincts; but the narrative called for the election to go a particular way.)

Of course, real power in America isn't in the hands of elected officials, not at the national level and often not at the local level.
Political machines, propagandists, think tanks, long-time bureaucrats, the power has largely been delegated to those people, and the election of representatives is just a formality. Often, even the formality is ignored, as appointees run unopposed in the primary and general elections. This is reflected in everyday life, where even the appearance of law and muh civil rights are brushed aside in favor of raw, brute power. Oceania has no law.

Now, there are perhaps genuine differences between the candidates in those election that are contested, as interest groups fight over which man they want; but this battle isn't decided at the ballot box, because the people don't factor in to this decision at a large enough level. Rethugs and Democrats do have differences (for being two faces of literally the same party that has ruled America since the Constitution's foundation), but the final decision is reached by a consensus of the monied class well before anything as quaint as an election takes place - the election, and America's long election season, are a matter of building a narrative, much like the hoopla over Santa Claus is sold to young kids.