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Ethan Sanchez
Jordan Gutierrez
Mason Diaz
Both are tremendous cunts but Christopher is a fucking idiot and an imperialist puppet.
Read this book en.m.wikipedia.org
Ryder Flores
Comrade Peter, ofc. He stands with Corbyn against Tory-Blairite imperialism.
Noah Scott
Jaxon Gutierrez
Christopher Hitchens' neoconservatism is an example of how self declared "rationalists" are pansy-ass sophists that think The West is a pristine holy land separated from the realities of the rest of the world, and of their subsequent inability to learn due to a complete lack of self-awareness.
At least his brother was honest about his idealism.
Zachary Baker
They're both insane, both products of the cold war and western liberal triumphalism. In the case of Christopher this manifested in the complete acquiescence to the end of history narrative which was shattered by 9/11 and led him down a path of neocon imperialism, clash of civilisations narratives and literal cancer.
In the case of the marginally more sensible Peter, a deeper hatred of liberalism led him to embrace some sort of vaguely communitarian, burkeian conservatism founded on christian morality in an attempt to resist liberal hegemony in a post-soviet world. He's nuts but I'm fond of him.
Among his latest hot takes is that the tories and blairite wing of labour are left-wing eurocommunist extremists whereas Corbyn is actually attacking them from the right with conservative british socialism. Peter Hitchens is a national treasure.
Mason Clark
Christopher's worldview was effectively solely defined by proimperialism & atheism. There wasn't a particularly novel, inventive idea or an intellectually honest molecule of matter in his while body. Only the most forgiving of individuals could muster up any sympathy for such a disgrace of a person.
I personally find Peter a tad more bearable even though many of his beliefs like his valorization of the traditional family & his hilarious phobia of cannabis are just as baseless as any of Christopher's schizophrenic opinions.
Jeremiah Sullivan
communitarian flag whence
Samuel Hall
twitter.com
For reference, he is basically buying the gultural margsdist stuff, but is saying the blairites ARE the gultural marks eurcomms (and since the tories are blairites now they are too) and Corbyn's marxism is more in-touch with traditional working class values because he is a legit socialist and doesn't really care for liberal social issues. He's basically not a Nazbol because Peter is a libertarian politically.
Jordan Hill
Are you the cool jeffersonian republican user that used to post here a year or two ago or are you new?
Cameron Brown
Nope, he's an unironic conservative carrerist
Luis Parker
PETER GROWS STRONGER
tbh Peter Hitchens is the embodiment of how going crazy is the only way to stay sane.
Cooper Moore
OH GOD YES
I have an abiding desire to sing Jerusalem with him one day i just worry that he might find Blake too radical in his sentiment
Anthony James
I swear down at this rate he will join the Labour party.
Jeremiah Thompson
Andrew Thomas
iirc he was a card carrying member but left in the late 70s/early 80s since he didn't feel he should be a member of any party if he was going to be a reporter.
James Hill
Glad to see Zig Forums getting on board with Peter!
Here's some must watch videos:
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Austin Brooks
Not quite the story, he was a Labour member and in Militant. He had a bike crash and said "I need to start treating life seriously" and them became a massive social conservative.
No user you have us wrong, Peter is getting onboard with us.
Caleb Reed
this, i've been reading his column for a long time and just as the world has started increasingly turning to instability, particularly accelerating in the last 4 years Peter has been making more and more light nods towards his leftist past. Given his age and social conservatism i doubt he'll be renouncing the monarchy and loudly calling for a vanguard party but he's clearly been edging his way back. Its not like he has much to lose, he's far too principled a man to hide his convictions because of the social milieu he's in now and he's always been an alien on the right as he frequently points out because he is in his outlook and way of analysing the world a marxist.
/Our boy/ is on his way home.
Anthony Smith
Peter Hitchens is a perpetual adolescent.
He claimed to be a "socialist" in his youth - yet he could not bring himself to say anything positive about the Soviet Union. He instead chose to describe himself as a "Trotskyite", relegating himself to promoting "Utopianism" (his own words) as an attempt to claim Socialist ideals whilst distancing himself from the USSR.
Then, later in life, he switched to being a Conservative (shock and awe).
However, he couldn't re-imagine himself as a Tory supporter. God no, that would be too conventional for him. He couldn't even bring himself to endorse UKIP, still too mainstream.
Instead, he presents himself as a "non-aligned" Conservative, remaining "anti-establishment" just as when he endorsed Trotsky. When asked about the future of Britain, he endorsed young people running away and emigrating, rather than fighting for the Working Class in their own area.
Even when interviewed by Owen Jones, he genuinely accused him of "Utopianism". Owen Jones, the mildest of Social Democrats. The man was clearly projecting.
Peter Hitchens is of a weak mind, and wishes to spread his weakness among all strains of conventional British Tendencies.
As an Irish Republican Socialist, I consider him to be an enemy.
Samuel Richardson
B E S T T I M E L I N E
Angel Hill
He's an old man. Old men don't change their minds on things, you're adapting to him
Parker Gonzalez
He's not that old lad. Besides that is a meme arguement.
Jacob Perry
this pretty much (how did you know that?)
I've been lurking and posting here for like 2 years under various flags
you all need more flags, communitarian whence
John Young
They both claim that
Your dumb argument is wrong because this is wrong
Jaxon Reed
You can't hide from the MI5 kiddo.
Jokes aside, I asked you if were the OG republican poster in another thread, I was dissapointed that you were not but still you are a cool guy
Aaron Rogers
y-you too senpai
Joseph Sanchez
Made by DemSoc-Communiterian Aĺliance.
Brandon Evans
stfu liberal
Jason Hall
no u
Eli Long
God, he's doing it again lads
Mason Sullivan
It's like the opening paragraphs in a "but what else might they have been lying about?" story.
Adam Garcia
PETER IS KHRUSCHJOVNIKI GANG
Parker Cox
Calling it.
Robert Allen
Nah, he was a marxist early in life too but i predict he'll be defending the honour of the soviet union withing a year or two.
Christopher Hughes
WAIT, Peter is talking about Corbyn going back to 'old conservative british socialism' in opposition to continental communism. Isn't that what pic related was saying before he went fash?
Tyler Turner
old christopher hitchens used to be ok. i think the end of the cold war and the clinton administration caused him to take the path he took, as pointed by
i think you mean end* of the cold war.
Jacob Fisher
neither
Matthew Lee
Hitch is right about one thing, no one learns from history.
Ethan Wood
Between Corbyn's Labour and May's Conservatives, Labour is unironically the reactionary choice. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Free markets🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 are a progressive liberal value, rejected by both the right and left.
Jayden Lopez
I remember Ismail (of /marx/) told me that Christopher Hitchens was bad as early as the 1980's, that he supported the Falklands War. He attributed Hitchens' turn to visiting Iraqi Kurdistan around 1989 back when Saddam was kinda-sorta supported by the West against Iran. Ismail said that Hitchens developed the idea that the West had to atone for its sins (like tacitly condoning Anfal) by overthrowing Saddam and that is where Hitchens' pro-imperialist ideas of "Western civilisation" being set against the forces of dictatorship and fundamentalism and everything else hostile to liberal bourgeois enlightenment stuff came from, the idea that if you don't oppose "Islamofascism" you are an enemy of everything Western democracy has built up and all that jazz.
Noah Thomas
I agree with these assessments of free markets
Mason Carter
Have you considered the possibility that maybe Jezza is the better option because the left are the ones who actually give a shit about helping the working class instead of just blaming all of society's problems on scapegoats?
Both liberalism and free markets are right-wing, fascism is just the last resort of the capitalist class to protect the systems of hierarchy they benefit from and eliminate anyone who dissents to the shitty conditions produced by such a society. Both the Italian fascists and nazis privatized the hell out of their countries' public assets and were backed by wealthy capitalists and even some of the Jewish bankers you guys hate so much, try reading a history book some time.
Eli Cox
They are both worse.
Blake Baker
he'll probably be one of those people that defends Marx and even the USSR but still identifies as "conservative"