Orban's sperg out against the EU

Hungary just had elections, and out of 199 seats in the newly elected Hungarian parliament, 159 are now in the hands of the far right (133 for Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz and 26 for the once-neo-Nazi-now-“national-conservative” Jobbik party in opposition).

So now Viktor Orban feels empowered to spout shit that is literally out of Zig Forums. This was his message (with some annotations from Jacobin):

1. Hungary will not allow dark-skinned Muslim refugees or immigrants to enter the country, and will resist all forces of “mongrelization” (masquerading as “multiculturalism,” “internationalism,” and “cosmopolitanism”), which seek to destroy “White Christian Europe”;

2. Hungary will not disarm in the face of “political correctness,” which is nothing more than godless communism;

3. “Mongrelization,” or the dilution of Hungary’s racial stock, is pushed by the “international Jew,” George Soros, who bankrolls the anti-national, liberal-Bolshevik Hungarian opposition and who will even harm the only kind of Jew we like, the religious Zionist. Our dear friend, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, agrees with us as he, too, hates the Yids;

4. The European Union, the United Nations, the Council of Europe, the western press, the social-democratic, liberal, and Green parties are simple tools in the hands of George Soros — that is, of rootless cosmopolitan Jewry;

5. Pope Francis is an internationalist liberal Bolshevik;

6. “Gender madness” or “genderism,” radical feminism,” “human-rightsism,” gay marriage, the Istanbul treaty (which prohibits domestic violence against women and children) — all of these will suppress the Christian family and make “faggotry” the new model of morality;

7. We shall save Europe from itself, which allows Muslim terrorists and hard-left rioters to plunge it into chaos (unlike the true allies of Christianity like Erdoğan, al-Sisi, Berdimuhamedov, Aliyev, and the rest)

8. The Roma people — just like Muslims — cannot be integrated because they do not like to work. They ought to be disciplined, separated, segregated, and, if need be, resettled;

9. Freemasons, illuminati, cultural Marxists, stock-exchange speculators, anarchists, and sundry intellectuals wish to convince us to renounce anti-Romanian revanchism and irredentism because they have, of course, no understanding of our souls;

10. Our main enemies are journalists and human rights groups in the pay of You-Know-Who.

jacobinmag.com/2018/04/viktor-orban-hungary-elections-enlightenment

What do you think Zig Forums?
Inb4 "Orban is NAZBOL"

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This clown is the proof that communist didn`t kill enough, see the deterioration that capitalism made to countries like hungrier and Poland make my blood boil.
this is what revisionist like nagy do make things to nazis.

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Is the Pope now a member of the ChristCom Gang?

The answer is still no, idiot.

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To quote a nigger
He wouldn't dare talking like this to Putin, China or America. If the USSR was still around… Boy them tanks

On a scale from 000.0% to 200.0%, how mad are libsoc's and ancoms about the collapse of the Soviet Union?

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Orban is controlled opposition masquerading as a far-rightist. Unless you hate ALL kikes and their tricks you are NO friend of western/christian values.

FAGban needs to be gassed.

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lol i wish

Who could have guessed?

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I'm feeling about an 80% right now.

I don't have to agree with it to realize that its loss was a serious blow to us all.

There is an italian marxist (who is kind of a joke but interesting) that is a "cultural marxist" in the same way of gramsci who makes examples out of Zig Forums strawmans such as soros, hilary, great replacement, soy ecc. And makes marxist critiques of these. He talked in great length on how the pope is basically the religious version of soros. This guy is a clown, but he makes interesting arguments. He's totally against liberalism, like 100% against it. He belives in most thing Zig Forums belives, but he argues against them from a marxist prospective.

Can't speak for all ancoms but I feel it was necessary. The rampant capitalism of today will lead to the real communist revolution of tomorrow.

This shit is very concerning. Is Hungarian irredentism really still a thing? Could this possibly lead to military conflict?

lol no. Its just Orban & some far rightists projecting. Hungarian Irredentism is a dead idea.

Uh? How is this real? What's the source material for these statements? This is literally Zig Forums-tier, except this time it's spouted by the leader of an actual nation-state.

Post source of this pls.

I'd like to see what Israel and mainstream liberals' responses to this are. Does outright stating Zig Forums shit like this short circuit their brains the same way Richard Spencer etc. did in the USA?

Netanyahu will probs like it, I men even at this point Israeli libs are saying he is decending into totalitarian zionism.

I'm not very good with numbers, but I'd say pretty angery. Despite many major flaws, the USSR was one of the greatest success stories in the world

lol who is he?

Diego fusaro.
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What doesn't translate well with subtitles is the way he speaks. He uses words that are not used since the 20's.
That's why he's made fun of. He has a pseud tier way of talking

Accidentally came across this interesting interview with a Hungarian marxist (from what I grasped he's a leftcom) if anyone cares: arbetet.se/2015/09/26/gaspar-miklos-tamas-this-is-post-fascism/

There was a Hungarian woman where I used to work three years ago in England. I've never talked politics with her, but once, while she was talking about Little Mongolia with others, she embarked in a kind of short but sharp rant against the government… I don't remember the reason, but I'm sure she was no Orbanista!


I was about to come up with the name of the guy, but you've been quicker! I'm a Wop - I guess you are too - and I cannot help but draw a comparison between him and Cacciari or Galimberti. Both quite apocalyptic thinkers, yet more than willing to play by the rules of the system. And reap all the benefits of it… I mean, many people think Žižek is a clown, but you don't see him every week at the BBC or CNN or France 2 commenting on the petty politicking of the day.

Getting back to Orban, it's quite clear his rhetoric is now full fascist, with just a couple of adaptations for the world of today:
1) stand by your zionist, but fuck all the other jooz;
2) sperg about "muh globalizm", but don't put into question American hegemony (because of "muh Nato") or being part of the EU (because of "gib me monee").

I know rightists have low lQ. But they must know that Stalin purged 97% of the Bolsheviks in the 1930s. The right use the term "Bolshevik" like a slur but don't know what it means or what happened to them. I think they are trying to use "Bolshevik" as a term like "Nazi" but it just doesn't work. Makes it seem like they don't know history.

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How corrupt are Orban and his ilk? To me it just sounds like he's spouting whatever he believes will make him popular, which happens to be outrageous ethno-nationalism at the moment.

I don't know if you're joking or false flagging

Ehy man. I remeber you. Aren't you the guy from rome? I had an insight when you talked about england, you said you went abroad for a while last thread.
Also yes, those are buffoons way way more than Fusaro. Fusaro is a pseud with interesting ideas at least and the balls to talk shit about liberalism to the point of making zizek look like Hilary Clinton. On the contrary both Cacciari and Galiberti are pseud discount intellectuals that are there on television throwing hot takes and common knowledge masked as highbrow intellectualism.
Our country is full of pseudo marxist that sold out at the first chance now that I think about it.

You said that. Lack of grey matter. And an attempt to appeal to emotion. In this case, the big red bogeyman called "Bolshevism".


Not an authority on Little Mongolia, but Iirc he's changed his positions on a lot of things countless times. Anyway, the simple fact he's talking like that now indicates that he feels overconfident he can get away with everything. I guess he wouldn't have talked like that just three or four years ago.
I also understand that his economic policies are designed to appease the national porkoeisie and petty porkoeisie. You can imagine what kind of quid pro quo is at play here.

How? The right love to say "Jewish Bolsheviks" and snowing proof Stalin pretty much killed all the Bolsheviks debunks that right wing fantasy.

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Galimberti*
lol, fucking kill me

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I hate mobile…

kollontai died in 1950s lol

It's rightist propaganda fam…

200%
FUCK YOU

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Yes, that's me.
Cacciari and Galimberti are both in their seventies. They are part of one of the larpiest generations of intellectuals since the time of Ramses II. They had it ridiculously easy back then - the Thirty Golden Years after WW2 etc. - but when SHTF politically speaking - collapse of the Eastern Bloc, neoliberalism and all that shit - they found their way to integrate into the establishment. It must be said they came up with a philosophically original synthesis, at least if you think you are talking about Italy. They are basically a Heideggerian and a Nietzschean and while saying "this world is crap", "there's no hope", "no way out" and shit, they have been writing highly paid books and op-eds on fucking La Repubblica (think about the NYT or Guardian) and L'Espresso (its weekly counterpart) for decades. The part they play is that of the contrarian. After all, you can't give people just shameless apologia of neolib capitalism. You need a couple of bearded men coming up with a bit of apocalyptic drivel delivered with so much gravitas…
For the benefit of other readers, Cacciari was mayor of Venice for fuckton years. He successfully turned it into a low-cost tourism shithole like never before. It's Seneca 2000 years later, but luckier. He got no Nero forcing him to slash his wrists at some point.

Saged because it's totally off-topic. We should open a fuckin' thread about Wopistan, one day. In the meantime, nudes from Hungarian female comr8s are more than welcome.

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Orban is as corrupt as any politician, he simply wears it on his sleeve.

None of these points are wrong

As a Hungarian, I believe it is my duty to use this flag from this point on. Our prez is a national treasure.

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I critically support Orban against EU imperalism.

I'd also like to add, that before 1989, all romanis had jobs, went to school and university, raised families and lived decent lives. A lot of my relatives grew up in rather rural areas, and the gypsies there were an internal part of the community. They got progressively worse and worse after 1989 though, because after the privatization of like 80% of the national industry, they were the first to be fired by their new German French, and stuck up bourgie Hungarian bosses exactly because of this "they are lazy lmao XDDD" mentality.

your anger makes my penis erect.

Given the way things are going even capitalists will want the USSR back (see their constant comparisons of modern Russia to it) because at least communism didn't spread as quickly within their societies like Zig Forums tier ethnonationalism does. If the next fifty years are dominated by Zig Forums becoming more and more mainstream, then that means capitalism must fail even if it brings humanity down with it.

I do too. EU just fights for the capitalist war machine. its no better than NATO, UN or any international alphabet agencies.

please stop, for your own sake.

That aside, he does seem to have overwhelming popular support. It's not going to be very convincing when the EU tries to invoke democratic values and whatnot against someone who wins elections with an absolute majority.

Really activates my almond.

Fuck off christcuck, the EU hates your ass too.

yeah, but no self-proclaimed leftist should back reactionary nutjobs like fucking Orbán, just because he "hates" the EU

I don't see why not? The EU is a fucking monster of an organization while Orban is just a president of a country.

watch him enact surprise socialist policies under the guise of national interest

A hundred years ago the social democrats abandoned proletarian internationalism by voting for World War I.
Now random internet tankoids cry support for the most reactionary right-wingers in Europe because it "triggers the capitalists" or something.
First as tragedy, then as farce…

Why yes? The left's role is to fight capitalists, not nationalists, is it?

Fucking idpol.

yeah, and Orbán is all well and good with the economic expliotation that Germany and France is doing, because he and his little clique get to reap all the "economic aid" the country gets from the EU. If anything, Orbán and the like make the EU worse. Also, with the amount of power Orbán is gathering, it's just a matter of time until radicals like me are gonna be hunted down and thrown into prison. You want that to happen to your fellow leftist just because "uh hurr he don't like le EU XDDD". Just fucking stop.

It's both. Get fucked.

if said nationalists are capitalist, and the main power behind maintaning capitalism then fucking yes it is our job to fight them.

How are you a radical for supporting the EU?

No, you get fucked. Marx had no problem with nationalists and neither did Lenin.

So who are gonna fight? The big capitalists or the small capitalists?

Because if you fight the small capitalist, you are doing the bidding of the big capitalists, good job.

Give it up retard. There's nothing in Hungary for the left. The youth and general population believes in the same things Orban believes. Watch any protest or gathering and you will see how leftists are outnumbered.

I'm not supporting the EU lmao I fucking hate the EU
that's why I fucking hate Orbán as well. He only disses the EU to get old fucks and braindead skinheads to vote for him. He loves the EU.

Yes, Orban loves the EU by fighting the EU.

Really makes me think.

Like Stalin who loves the nazis by dissing the nazis.

There were major problems like anti democratic regime and state capitalism but these problems should have been fixed instead of Soviet Union collapsing and proving liberals right about communism.

In every single revolution it has been communists fighting against useful idiot nationalists.

holy shit you really are a fucking retard. He literally does nothing to dismantle or to disrupt the EU status quo. Fucking braindead americans I swear to God. Do you actually have any idea on what the EU does other than what you gathered from Zig Forums (which I assume you were browsing like 2 months ago regualrly)? Just fucking go back to Zig Forums, nobody needs pseudo leftist american liberls like you. Fuck off.

Now that I went though the Jacobin article: there is nothing useful in it. It just complains that Orban and his movement support all these far right measures, and that none of the opposition dares go against much of it.

But where is the socialist critique, and a suggestion of an alternative way forward? Orban has won the election. What needs to be studied is why he has done so, what the conditions were that allowed for his rise, what the standpoints were that had such broad appeal, and what alternatives the left might offer up that would appeal to people.

Just standing on the sidelines shouting "das raycis", and appealing to the EU to somehow fix things by sanctioning Hungary is worse than useless. This is not the EU's problem to fix, it's a problem of the Hungarians, and most particularly the Hungarian left. Any actions the Eu takes will only strengthen the position of Orban, just as has happened with Putin in Russia.

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or a world war and dystopian capitalist future.

what if accelerationism just makes shit worse until the world dies

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WHO GOT THE PENTS

thank you based mods.

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This is a typical text by TGM: no constructive content, intellectual whining. The dude is a situationist ancom who started as a liberal regime changer in the 80's, and p. much lost the plot around the time his second 'Marxist' party went to the shitters.

fugg I'm retarded, linked that interview in without realizing it's the same guy that wrote the article
I thought there were some interesting parts in the interview though such as:

Only these anecdotes in the OP article seem like fake news tbh:
Any Hungary user can confirm that these things have actually been on the news?

like pottery

Proletarians have no nation or race.

Dude orban is a zionist philo European who's putting a show for skin heads

pottery

this is why all the intelligent people leave eastern Europe.

spotted the nazbolist