So I just moved to a hispanic neighbourhood in the U.S. with my black girlfriend...

sounds hot mi amigo

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How do I as a leftist reconcile Israelis and Palestianians hate eachother.

Wow. Massive revelation.

At this point I barely care about casual racism, even /ourguys/ did it.

If we can end it, cool. If not then too bad. As long as we can do commieism I am content.

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Didn't Che cut that out later on?

Why did you move to a spic neighborhood in the first place? Also remind me under which economic system this is happening

Who care what he belived in his head as long as he did help them?

Are yoou a palestinian? Are you an israeli?

Welcome to the brown reggaton shithole. Your girlfriend will fit right in.

Cheap. I'm a graduate student.

I don't know for a fact if he did, but even if he did, he still fought capitalism and never discriminated (different from casual racism) against anybody based on race, and fought against their common capitalist oppressors side by side.

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*whips off mask to reveal a magnificent Druze beard*

Not that I think every leftist figure was woke by today's standards but that quote is from Che's diary before he became a communist. He had pretty typical reactionary views for a well off Argentinian at the time but dropped that shit shortly after becoming a communist.

They may not be exclusive to the White community, but are they ideologically relevant to immigrant populations?

Man that's straight up dangerous tho. Again, if this wasn't capitalism you wouldn't be in this situation. There is also nothing racist in being scared of ghettos.

OP. What the fuck is your point. What do we supposedly need to reconcile? What strawman do you want us to defend?

I don't live in palestine so I'm really not bothered about palestinians. Why would I be?

Well yes.

Follow the thread and you may catch the meaning.

That's not a racist statement, though. It's a statement of fact. He's not saying the Congolese are incapable of learning to do it because they are African but that they didn't want to. The right does enough damage to the left with this shit that we don't need to uncritically spread their disingenuous narrative.

So people who have no rights or claim to the country should be allowed to attack people that do?

You retard thread is only a few posts long and you havent said anything of substance yet.

What exactly is it that you are looking for?

I'm not tho…….

The point in your thread.
Do you think the left is all about wanting mass immigration? Or do you think it is all about hating white people? Or do you think it is all about how only white people can be racist?
What retarded position are you implying we take.

That would depend on what you consider the left position to be.

So you then, define "the left".

Not what.

People say Che grew out of racism later, based on the fact that he helped the black African revolutionaries in their struggle.

He did this out for communism, not for black people. He might as well remained a casual racist (his later quote fits in nicely with his "indolent and lazy" quote), but he was still a comrade fighting oppressive colonial regimes, and that's what matters to me the most in the end.

If this is right-wing to you, you might as well fuck off back to Reddit along with your "woke" friends to put the fight against people saying nigger over actual class struggle.

What is going on since last week? Why are we flooded with stupid id/pol/ b8?

We at Zig Forums don't give much fucks about skin colors and peepees. It's all about work and wageslavery.
We and our families have been by screwed over by fatasses in suits who are producing absolutely nothing of value (that is, if you believe that working is the primary way to create value, in contrast to the subjectivist 'supply & demand is the only thing that create value' bullshit) and we are angry because of that.
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This is true. It really isn't a problem for me as I am English, and I hate pakis like no other. But this is because I am English. I was gobsmacked by the lack of nationalism in the states. These turd world shitskins seem to think that they may operate with absolute impunity. I was just seeking the "leftist" position on the subject.

I see. I've sought the wrong insight. Well done. Cheers.

racist

How complex for birdie.

Why would that be relevant?

OP said Hispanics hate black people.

Do you not think that people "saying" nigger is a supplantation of "class struggle"?

I am OP.

I don't hate you.

I'm White. I wouldn't be bothered if you did. XD

People saying nigger doesn't replace the fight of labourers, they are unrelated in fact.

Please go back to gaia.

This shit is so fucking tired. Personally I don't think you can change everybody's opinions about race. Particularly because people who have lived within a capitalist society have had their worldview constructed by the material realities they have lived in and that comes with baggage due to uneven economic development. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't challenge people about their shitty beliefs nor does it mean I think we're all gonna sit in a drum circle and get along because society produces for use instead of exchange.

Che also said the following so I'm not sure he was exclusively motivated by communism. He seemed to genuinely believe in social justice.
Doesn't sound like something a racist would say.

Why are you saying we hate black people?

Gee its almost as if though racism transcends race

Socialism is when nobody hates each other
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The reason WHY people say niggers would be the supplantation. What would be the reason for "class struggle" between the bourgeois and the working class?

But should it transcend borders?

Aren't "all" people equal in a "socialist" society? Why would they hate each other?

What the fuck do you mean? Clearly state what you're trying to say.

Maybe they think you're an annoying prick. Maybe they don't like your face. Maybe they don't like your opinions. Who the fuck knows? There are a million reasons why somebody might not like someone else.

I don't get what are you trying to say.

You don't need to shit out posts like a brainless spammer in this slow board. Take your time and make your point clearly.

We have a FAQ, friend.

It's nothing that would concern you apparently, you lot have transcribed "communism" with "leftism". I didn't know you were "communists".

Define the basis of "class struggle". It's a slow board. take your time.

That quote is 100% anti-imperialist and communist. He doesn't to renounce casual racism to denounce the exploitation of the American government against their most destitute, just being a principled socialist is enough.

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So what would the alternative to capitalism be?

Why is Lenin illuminated, and didn't they suppress ethnic identity in communist russia?

Class Struggle, the tension or antagonism which exists in society due to competing socioeconomic interests and desires between people of different classes.

In marxism, social classes are defined by one's relationship to the means of production (their relations of production). His simple understanding of classes in modern capitalist society are the proletariat, those who work but do not own the means of production; and the bourgeoisie, those who invest and live off of the surplus generated by the proletariat's operation of the means of production.

The means of production are defined as capital goods and assets that require organized collective labor effort, as opposed to individual effort, to operate on.
The definition includes two broad categories of objects: instruments of labor (tools, factories, infrastructure, etc.) and subjects of labor (natural resources and raw materials). People operate on the subjects of labor using the instruments of labor to create a product; or stated another way, labor acting on the means of production creates a good.

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Where did I say he needed to denounce casual racism? All I'm saying is that we probably shouldn't be peddling right wing narratives meant to undermine the left.

Funny you mention that. Since most people here are communists, there has been some buzz around here about abandoning "leftism" as a term that applies to us. I can see the benefits already.

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I thought I had asked:

So what would the alternative to capitalism be?

How does this:

Answer the question?

Such as?

As far as I am concerned, I have said nothing that undermines socialism.

I dont want to live among niggers that will try to rape my women and steal my things. Racism is good, my fellow leftist.

Socialism, or collective ownership of the means of production, altough its content can vary according to tendencies
Socialism is Cooperatives replacing corporations
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Socialism is Decentralized planning adjusting production to demand in real time with computers
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Socialism is when the governement regulates markets
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Each one going at the others throat for being capitalist in their own way.

Communism by your definition is not leftism. It would seem to be an alternative position. But definitely not "Left" in the modern sense of the word.
It would seem your concerns are more economic than social.

The entire reason that the right pushes the WELL AKSUALLY CHE WAS A RACIST narrative is to discredit communism and communists within minority communities. Minority communities have historically been fertile ground for radicalization. Why play into it?

I wasn't talking to you clown.

Why would the quote in your photo be relevant to your definition? How does controlling the means of production prevent the dumb fuck in the picture from getting lynched? Or is that just propaganda for black retards?

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Apparently not Pedro. Fair play.

So let us supplant:

Race Struggle, the tension or antagonism which exists in society due to competing socioeconomic interests and desires between people of different races.

Why does Clinton look like Mosley in this? Is this pro-Clinton, anti? The fuck is that poster conveying?

It is her own. It seems her design team had decided to adopt classic elements of communist propaganda. Probably to appeal to you lot.

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ITT: Racism happens even to americans, leftism has failed. Also communists should stop using the term leftist because it plays into bourgeois propaganda about leftists that were racist that one time

i have the urgent need for a shower after reading this

Gee i don't know user…

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If black poors abandon socialism because Che called them indolent and lazy, that's our failure to educate on actual socialist tenets and against "woke anti-racist capitalism" (like such thing could exist).

I'm not even white, too.

Obama did it as well.

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The guy who made the CHANGE Obama poster (and also created the OBEY brand) too was "influenced" by Soviet constructivism, in that he took some elements from it and bastardized them beyond recognition.

We don't hate blacks you false flagging race baiter. We do recognize that they worship a dog shit subculture that makes them more prone to violence, crime, poverty and so on and so forth so we trust them less than other races but what race doesn't? Even "the have" blacks people nervous around "the have not" blacks.

I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico and we got a surge of black people after Katrina and Harvey. There are no Nazi masturbation fantasys or race crime between blacks and hispanics here.

ftfy.
Communism is fully and entirely leftism by what 'leftism' used to mean. What its come to mean to people like you or tumblr has split off from what it used to mean and how it applies to us.

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There are no racial socioeconomic struggles, unless you're implying whites cannot ever be poor vagrants, or blacks can never be rich land owners.

'We' meant 'hispanics' in his post, user.

As if though poor hispanic culture in the us isnt literally the same as poor black culture in the us, its the same material conditions theyre being subjected into, racism is literally shit and everyone who defends it even a little bit needs a ban and castration

Yeah you do. I've seen it. Sometimes I'll have birdie walk a few feet ahead of me just to see the outrageous shit the beaners do to her.
It's fucking hilarious. Then they try to smile at me as they don't know I'm with her.
The funny thing is she's actually the assistant director of a hospital and it's like these at risk wetback peasants don't have a clue.
Fucking spictards. XD

Which was the point of the statement. What leftism may or may not have been then, is definitely not what it could mean now.

It would seem your concerns are more economic than social.

Thanks for repeating what I just said.

Yeah, but what does that apply to blacks and wetbacks? Beaners don't control anything. Nor should they. They don't even belong here.

No. I'm against mass immigration, there shouldn't be neighborhoods made of minorities tbh.

Something isn't adding up here. I think you and your wife are trash, even among your respective races. The xenophobia certainly helps verify that.
Sounds like you've got some pent up anger there, user. You should approach the nearest group of hispanic men, preferably the worst examples of my people, the ones who still dress like 80's gang culture and tell them how you feel. Remember to use the same language. That way they can encourage you to seek your wife's supposed hospital services afterwards. :^)

Mistrust isn't hate. It's natural to feel weary around things and people you don't know and understand.

Does racism between blacks and hispanics exist? Absolutely. All humans have tribal mindsets, some deeper than others.These problems tend to exist more heavily in places where hispanics and blacks are forced to compete.

It isn't "poor" it's "gentrifying". If you can understand what I'm saying.

She pays whilst I focus on my studies. I cannot work here anyway. I do get a stipend though.

She just started 8 months ago, and it isn't cheap for us as newcomers. We're paying 1800 per month, but a woman who lives upstairs who has been in the building for ages is only paying 975.

But yeah I really do hate these homeless monkeys. I don't give much of a fuck about them as for "the gangster" aspect. I'm an adult.

Most of the newcomers around here just laugh at them an how hey try to imitate us. It's priceless.

They walk like you, they try to talk like you, absolute fucking madness. XD