Have you thought about how professional sports leagues would function under socialism?

Playing sports does not create scarce products, so they will not be planned for. If people want to give a small fraction of their hours to them, thats fine, but obviously they cannot receive more than the amount of hours they work (or 24 hours a day max).

Also this but with less larping

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Under communism, all basketball players will dye their hair, wear short shorts, and focus exclusively on defense. The average game will have a final score of 59-53, and the MVP of most seasons will have a statline of around 2.4 PTS/18.1 RBS/3.0 AST.

Basically, the 1997 Eastern Conference Finals.

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I genuinely like the Cuban baseball system. Teams drawn from home provinces and prices low enough that ordinary people can actually see a game while still compensating the athletes.

sports are not socially necessary labor why would they be compensated?

you can have sports as a hobby but you still work 10 hours a week

you should have enough free time to become a "professional" if you desire

With a lot of doping. That isn't even a meme, my dad worked with the reunification of the GDR and BRD teams and most of the GDR athletes were on drugs and didn't know it.

End this fucking meme already

Its marxism, not productivism. We're not going to conpensate any and all dumbfuck not producing anything measurable just because they do something. Athletes are not even beneficial to society, why should society pay them for not doing anything usefull?

Colour me surprised. You can compensate anyone you fucking want. The soviet states had professional athletes and any system that for some reason wants a some people to practice more sports than is possible while still doing labour will have some way to support professional athletes.

Why the fuck would we want to?

Because they'll be better at sports, and people like watching people who are good at sports. Are you autistic?

If I like watching people jack off in the street does that mean all of society should pay for that?
No. They do not provide anything usefull like doctors, they can chase balls or hit each other in their spare time. Paid athleticism ruins athletics anyway.

No one cares what YOU think, fam. You don't get to decide policy, people do, and a lot of people love sports. You can bet your ass that communities will still care a lot about having good athletes under communism, and they will obviously spend some resources on making sure their athletes are properly supported. It's part of the same package that includes maintaining the courts, stadiums and all the other cultural institutions.

The majority of people are not meatheaded football fanatics like you bruv. The majority doesn't follow sports nor do they want to pay for fucking giant stadiums and paying people to play outside all day while they actually have to work.

Do you live under a rock? Stadiums are packed all the time. You might as well be saying there'll be no sports under communism, since if no one cares about sports they won't care enough to maintain stadiums or even practice it, which is obviously a stupid thing to say when the fact is that sports is a billion dollar industry. Admit it fam, you're just spooked about shit you don't like.

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The whole fucking point is to ABOLISH HAVING TO PAY PEOPLE, NOT PAY PEOPLE FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT SOCIALLY NECCECARY. They would do it for free, they have more then enough time left over to fucking train in a socialist society. You don't train fucking 8 hours a day 5 days a week, you can fucking operate a truck for a few hours a week.

OH WOW FUCKING MAJORITY FUCKING NOT EVEN 100K PEOPLE.
Get a grip of yourself.
Gay porn is a billion dollar industry and its not even 10% of the population.

Are you always this butthurt? There are enough people who care about sports to support (and fill) all those massive stadiums, as well as all the people making shittons of dosh. If there are enough people for that, there are enough to lobby for it under a communist or socialist society.
If sports is really as unpopular as you say, then why did the Soviet Union even care about having professional athletes? Did they just do it to own the libs?

Are you suggesting there is no entertainment in socialism? Sports = entertainment There are more sports than football. Figure skating, fencing, bowling, many others. Do we get rid of all forms of entertainment? Both as spectators and participants? Get rid of movies since a full theater is less than 100k people? What other entertainment should we get rid of?

Communism doesn't necessarily entail post-scarcity. Money is abolished but that doesn't mean you can make a society work with just a few hours of work a week. You'll still need people who work long hours - as well as a system of allocation based on labour (labour vouchers) - and the people who don't produce will have to be supported by the ones that do. So the question will have to come up regarding whether to invest resources in supporting sports institutions, as well as supporting a team of people (and coaches and shit), who can dedicate their full time towards sports, and people will probably decide that it's worth the bother. Of course, if you have lowered working hours enough there might not be a point to having professional athletes, but while there's still a long work week it's gonna be a thing.

They did it to own the americans in the olympics and shit.

Something being entertainment does not neccecarily mean it will be fully funded by all of society and/or that the people making entertainment will be paid to do nothing but that.

You misunderstand the endgoal of communism, bruv. Labour vouchers are not the end goal of communism, it is a reminant of the old society. The end goal is a society where work is done without these forms of semi-rationing payments.

There is not going to be a long working week in any industrialised society mate. Do you have any idea how much unneccecary labour is being done right now? We could very easily cut our workweek in half without losing any productivity if we scrapped all the bullshit jobs and stopped wastefull work patterns, if not more.

Right, I'm sure that's the only reason. It's not like there might be a domestic reason why they would want their athletes to look good. And again, if no one cares about sports, why would it even matter?

No I fully understand that the end goal of communism is the abolition of labour. But that is the END goal . An early communist society will still need a system of resource allocation and surplus extraction, hence why Marx talks about labour vouchers.

And within that labour voucher system, the goal is still the abolision of labour. So we should only use it when strictly neccecary. Creating unproductive labour without very good justification (IE a doctor is a full time job that they wouldn't do if they were not paid) is not the way to abolish labour.

This doesn't make sense. The abolition of labour isn't some deliberate process where you cut away 'unproductive labour' (whatever that means), it happens as a result of automation. If there is a longish work-week, and if people find it desirable that some people forgo that work week so they can focus on other stuff, eg. athletes, then some provision will be arranged that allows them to support themselves without doing labour.

Not to mention that unproductive labour should be excluded from the labour voucher system as much as possible exactly because it is not measurable, and as such you cannot know if people slack off and game it for free shit.

It means you need to read marx and cockshott
No it fucking doesn't. Communism isnt "fully automated technojesus startrek communism". It is about reorganising labour in such a way that work become not shit enough that you do not have to threaten people with starving or bait them with shiny toys to do so, so that they will do it because work is just another thing you do, just like playing sports is just another thing you do, or volunteering at a club.

Which there wont be
It isnt for them, because it doesnt benefit fucking anyone.

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I have read Marx. He says little about what productive labour is under communism, and it is certainly not the same as under capitalism. The way I see it, it is a meaningless term. 'productive labour' would be any labour that is socially useful, which practically by definition would be everything that people in such a society deem to be labour.
Yes it fucking does. Unless you mean to say we can abolish labour while manual labour exists. A society like Marx described where the division of labour is abolished will require a great deal of automation, to the point where you have practically abolished labour altogether, again why Marx talked about labour vouchers as an intermediate stage.
Nice crystal ball you have there
Really? So you know what is best for everyone? Sounds pretty damn arrogant.

Marx talked about labour vouchers not as "do this until we have startrek" but as a transitioning period whenin we can reoganize production and where people can easy into the idea of working without compensation requirements.
Mate get off your fucking high horse. You are doing the exact same thing claiming to know that the majority of the population will want to pay for expensive stadiums to let manchildren chase a ball all day.

But the actual system is likely gonna last until then, that's what I'm saying. If you have a system of scarcity, where resources have to be distributed and production organised on a large scale, then the most practical way to manage the allocation of resources is through measuring labour (the other way, measuring in kind, has issues with calculation and optimisation, and wouldn't be optimal for large-scale management). If society has progressed to the point where such strict management isn't needed (ie. there is no division of labour), then there is no point in talking about labour at all, let alone stuff like professional or amateur sports, because it would all be equivalent to leisure activity or small managerial tasks, something which only requires a small fraction of the total labour potential and which can be easily allocated by lot (like jury duty).

So to sum up what I've been saying, because this is taking way too long: In a socialist or early communist society, where production is managed according to labour time (ie. you have to work to get stuff - unless you can't work), people would have to allocate a portion of production towards supporting other things, whether it is stuff like healthcare or it is leisure activities, such as sports (stadiums, equipment, etc.). It is taken as a given that everything people choose to allocate resources to is socially useful - even 'unproductive' things like sports and leisure enriches peoples' lives. Now, if the current working week is long enough that people consider it a hindrance to training, they might decide to allocate resources towards supporting the best athletes so they can focus on training. That is all I have been saying. If the working week is very short, or production is managed in another way, then all this is irrelevant because work itself is trivial. There would be no difference between amateur and professional since both would have equal time to train. Talking about 'unproductive' labour is pointless because anything that people allocate resources to would by definition be productive (since you wouldn't waste resources on things you don't find beneficial in some way).

You're wrong and I fucking hate the "startrek meme". It is not what communism is about and turns away people from communism who think starstrek is impossible.

Which does not neccecarily mean we also need labour vouchers. You can plan an economy in labour time without having labour vouchers.
I disagree

Why?

literally the same way they functioned in the USSR or how they work right now in North Korea? DUH?