I got blocked on twitter by this pretentious asshole because thinking Puerto Rico shouldn't leave the Union...

Puerto Rican nats are living the LARP life imho

While I support the right of Puerto Rico to secede if it chooses to do so I think the chances are remote and a quick look at its per capita GDP+minimum wage shows that Puerto Rico likely benefits more from imperialism then it suffers from it. Puerto Rico will likely become America's 51st state in the near future unless anger over the inept response to Maria stands in the way.

Its already been pointed out that an independent Puerto Rico would almost certainly be pro-US not that this is necessarily essential to the national question but it should also be noted that given its heavy debts its status as a US territory might be the only thing keeping it from sliding into failed state status. Ultimately, the question is up to the Puerto Rican people but I think a unified struggle for a socialist US would likely produce more results than independence.

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Pretty much especially if PR is a state then PRs can freely travel to Florida without needing a $250 passport, meaning any sort of PR-led socialist cause would infect America through it's most competitive state. Consider that nearby Louisiana gave us Huey Long, who wanted full socialism instead of the New Deal.

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dutdut has made extralegal killings by the military, police, and police-sponsored groups both defacto legal and commonplace. This was done first to combat ISIS, now to exterminate drug users (or anyone accused of being a drug user through planter evidence. This is fascism.

After the revolution Puerto Ricans could have a referendum where they decide whether to join the People's Republic of America or become independent. Until then it's kind of a moot point, obviously it would be good if Puerto Rico were liberated but the US won't willingly cut them loose and even if they did they'd still be easy prey for US imperialism.

Honest question, what do you faggots think separates the greedy porky capitalist mindset from the greedy self enriching bureaucrat mindset? It seems to me that anyone in power will try to enrich themselves at the expense of others, whether that power is economic or governmental.

There are more Puerto Ricans in New York than the island. They don't all run to Florida like the other spics Cubans do.

and

They don't need a passport.

actually several hundred thousand have migrated to FL recently.

Que son China o Rusia?
Un filipino hablando sobre patetico y corrupto, nuestros problemas son gracias al colonialismo no por pendejaces nativas

Sorry user but no. PR is a welfare society that was engineered in order to make the US look good on the international stage, same reason why imperialist countries gave to their population pensions, labour rights, and wage increases. We have been suffering 20 years of austerity policies spurred by an inescapable debt in which the economic status of the island, now bereft of its generous salaries by the USA due to the USSR dissolving, was being propped up by the loans whose financiers are now stripping whats left of public services. Why the hell did I just have to correct someone on Zig Forums about imperialism benefiting the colonized?

una alianza que Estados Unidos no tolerará, mire qué tan enojado está el gobierno de los Estados Unidos con respecto a Cuba

hecho en mexico

PR as a US state would mean shitloads of money flowing in, especially if PR explicitly legalizes gambling and fucks over Nevada.

Ya hay inversiones millonarias por entes chinos en la isla, no seria muy dificil pretender hacer un cuba 2.0 con china en vez de los sovieticos
dale, un pais tan recto que esta separado entre los estados narcos y la capital

This would still be beneficial only to foreigners and colonizers, really, which state has enough money to provide good enough life for its citizens through state programs?

Y sin embargo, Cuba es más pobre que Puerto Rico y pocos puertorriqueños se mudan a Cuba a pesar de que supuestamente es mejor.

A través de un impuesto de juego, un impuesto a la habitación de hotel y tarifas de aterrizaje en los aeropuertos. Legalizar la proscripción e impuestos también. Dinero instantáneo Y al igual que con Las Vegas, PR podría albergar algunas instalaciones de desarrollo de armas importantes como submarinos o misiles en lugar de aviones.

Si, cosas que se podian implementar en una colonia desde cualquier momento en el ultimo siglo pero significarian competencia para los capitalistas gringos, no crees? Algo asi pasaria si esos mismos capitalistas se asentaran en la isla y la terminaran de colonizar, pero no les convendria. Total, los puertorros siguiran viviendo en arrabales mientras que los cochinos viven en los complejos hoteleros. Honestamente no sabes de lo que hablas y te convendria callarte en el asunto

¿Cuándo te vas a la utopía Cuba entonces? jajajajajajajajaja

Crecí en una colonia estadounidense real (México) y he vivido toda mi vida adulta con miedo a ICE. Tienes algo que todos quieren: ciudadanía estadounidense. El pasaporte estadounidense que le entregan lo hace parte de una cantidad muy pequeña y especial de personas que tienen derechos que la mayoría nunca obtiene.

Hay muchas personas que matarían para tener lo que disfrutas. Y todos los días mueren de agotamiento a lo largo de la frontera de los Estados Unidos tratando de obtenerlo.

Mexichango vete tras la frontera, por lo menos ahi tienes patria

Joder! Yo tambien! Se llama Puerto Rico
Aqui se llama el FBI
No es culpa mia que tengo la bendicion de ser conquistado y forzado a abandonar mi nacionalidad por una colonizadora
Esos derechos no valen ni un dia de trabajo, estas igual de oprimido por los burgueses gringos con o sin su ciudadania
Y eso se supone que me guste ser parte de una sociedad de mantengo cuya existencia es aquella solo para satisfacer los caprichos colonizadores? Enserio vas a mofarte de una sociedad que pasa por los mismos apuros que la tuya? Eres un gusano y un cuernudo para los burgueses que forzan a que tu pais sea corrompido por los estados narcos y el neoliberalismo, jodio patetico

0/10

Tienes mucho más dinero que México y nunca serás tan malo como México mientras los puertorriqueños sean estadounidenses. Solo pare y piense en todas las cosas que tiene como Internet, eso no existe en la mayor parte de México. La mayor parte de México tampoco tiene atención médica, mientras que al menos tiene Medicare.

La última vez que revisé, San Juan no tiene ejércitos de niños mendigos, pandillas de narcos o grupos de animales callejeros para alimentarse de los débiles. Ese es un resultado directo de ser estadounidense. Lo que eres, eres un estadounidense de la misma manera que lo son todos los habitantes de Virginia y Arizona.

0/10, no entiendes porque Puerto Rico es como es, dejate de celos insensatos y vuelve a Zig Forums, ahí recibiran tus maullidos patéticos en mejor gana
60% de la juventud vive bajo los niveles de pobreza
60% de la poblacion depende de alguna ayuda federal dado a la ausencia economica
Se importa el 80% de lo que se consume, de igual maneral el alimento
Se estan privatizando las escuelas y universidades, construyendo una sociedad cuya educacion le es dada a la adinerada
Se le quitan derechos a los laboradores, se quitan horas, paga, pensiones a los laboradores
Aqui el medicare es un negocio explotativo, se hartan de chavos mientras matan de a poquito a los ancianos que dependen de ella
Aqui se hace emprésito un genocidio cultural
Aqui si se quitarían los cupones y ayudas federales hay hambruna y necesidad, esto es una sociedad construida para ser así, es una sociedad de consumidores cautivos, victimas del capital como en México
Imbecil, marrano, parcelero, idiota, ignorante, troglodia, aqui el dinero es propietario de los colaboradores y los gringos. ¿Cuan pendejo enserio puedes ser? Callate, y vete a lamber oxfords en otro lugar, jodes el aire con tu peste

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Someone care to translate this debate?

Sure, I Don't Know, Why Not?

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Let them do their thing

Things appear better in Puerto Rico than in Haiti, Barbados, the Dominican Republic and Jamaica. So, for all those negative effects you're listing Puerto Rico still seems to gain from being a part of the American empire.

I think just being within their sphere of influence is enough to fuck them over. Probably would be better (in all honesty) they became part of The Empire than a puppet.

Generally, independence movements in the West are proxies for other desires (e.g. being free from the US's overriding influence) and illusory goals. In Puerto Rico's case, maintaining capitalism while declaring independence would result in a nightmare scenario due to its high debt load. As someone else mentioned, it probably would rapidly become a failed state.

Puerto Rico is a literal colonial project, if you don't support their independence you're supporting American imperialism

Sorry user, but like I said before we've been suffering under 20 years of austerity measures due to an inescapable colony-metropolis relationship that forced us into getting those same loans which forced onto us the Fiscal Control Junta. This is a neoliberal paradise in which our public schools are being sold wholesale, our universities are being sold wholesale our hospitals were sold wholesale, our public infrastructure system like roads and airports were sold wholesale. The standard of living has been lowering for two decades while the other island's have been rising. Are the Hawaiians better off with the scraps that come off the gringo empire's table when they're forced into being a society of impoverish, uneducated shoe-shiners, dishwashers, cab drivers, room cleaners and bellboys? All while forced into slums while their beaches are kept only for the rich foreigners?
Sure, we had a better standard of living in the 50s-70s with the slight industrialization mixed with heavy welfare programs, the two pillars of the modern PR economy, but once those factories booked it we only had the welfare, which has been in sharp decline since the 90s, coincidentally, the very decade of the dissolution of the USSR. If we are better off its because of design in making the US look like the purveyor of democracy and prosperity it constantly boasts about. Its a design which has left the island in an acutely dependent manner in which its forced to buy the grand majority of what it consumes without having the capability of native economic development (we're the US's 5th largest market). If being a captive market a la 19th century imperialism isn't proof enough of being exploited then damn, I have no clue what else to argue in fucking Zig Forums, a board so rabidly ANTI-IMPERIALIST that it supports a dubious figure like Assad but then turns heels on this

This, honestly, this

It just comes down to self-determination, really. If I were Puerto Rican than I would probably want independence, but realistically independence is pretty unlikely thanks to COINTELPRO's antics. There's insufficient support for it there afaik. Maybe the hurricane has changed things.

The ideal solution would be for them to have autonomy along with all the rights and representation of a state, and a reserved right to secede if they change their mind. But our shitty constitution doesn't allow that. Currently the law is clear that statehood is forever.

Statehood could help them to get more support from Washington and make their voices heard, but the ongoing hurricane situation has convinced me that Americans will never really see Puerto Ricans as their own or as anything more than subordinates who should be "grateful" for the privilege of belonging to America.

Dude,,, i love seeing people die,,,,

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You're not sorry at all.

Youre pretty fucking stupid no?

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Fuck off americunt, my family is half Latino, and most of my friends are. People like you are the reason why I'm glad we're coming into your country and taking your jobs, tubby.

Lmao im puerto rican, pendejo, and all of my friends are latino, if that were to give me more brownie points

speak english faggots. it's the lingua france here.

seems like on is anti communist shitting on cuba who grew up in mexico and is living illegally in the US and thinks puerto ricans have are privileged the other is arguing against him saying he's ignorant or puerto rico. i don't speak fluent spanish though

tbf EVERY country has suffered this the last 20 years, even allegedly sovereign countries like Argentina and even in the heartlands of the so-called american "empire" and the EU. Austerity and neoliberalism is the order of the day and frankly independence would just hand the whip from the american government to a native comprador class who still has deep ties to the mainland

Then get rid of the comprador class…? Theres no reason why gringo capital couldnt be shoved off its position

cuba tried that, look at how well it works for them

Yeah, they have one of the highest standards of living not only in the americas but the world, fuck outta here you leather eating scab

please post evidence to prove me wrong

yeah, when the reactionary Tibetan class stops wanting to install a CIA-backed feudalistic monarchy

the CIA aren't even that competent, look at how well they handled Bin Laden

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program

I COULD tell you to look at the neighboring countries of Jamaica, Haiti, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Honduras, Panama, Ecuador, the Guyanas, Suriname, Paraguay, etc but youll scoff at that too no?

what about mexico's gulf provinces? Those are all well off

is it fair to compare specific provinces in a much more powerful state to small latin american nations?

Oh you mean the ones that found petroleum?
ingenieriadepetroleo.com/petroleo-aguas-profundas-golfo-mexico/
"representa más del 50 por ciento del total de los recursos prospectivos del país."
(Represents more than 50% of the total prospective resources of the country)

Come onn user

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mexico can't even stop women from being raped in the streets of the capitol city by armed children, last time I checked cuba doesn't have that problem

ranchers have more money than the oilmen because mexico's oil industry was nationalized :*)

right

Bin Laden was /theirguy/ and likely doing their bidding right up till the “end”

when you purposefully misrepresent what whoever you're talking to is saying lol sad

they do since the state oil company's bureaucrats simply move the money into america and the bahamas, much like how a parasite removes blood from it's host

ranchers have to keep money local since most of them are illiterate and would be legally retarded if they believed in modern medicine and not folk recipes

right

most of them are legit 14/88 NutSacs anyway who ensure at least one of their kids are Deputized to ensure the police never enforce laws on them

yeah, im aware how scummy latifundistas are

America losing its colony would be a great victory, even if it is only symbolic. It's a sign of a collapsing empire and would great for propaganda, recruiting, and (if military conflict happens) training in revolutionary action. The USA has no place being there and neither would a socialist America. It was invaded and suppressed for 100 years, let them build socialism their own way.

youtube.com/watch?v=vwluwH33Hrs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Harry_S._Truman

FEAR THE PUERTO RICANS AND THEIR OVERBEARING STRENGTH

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