"A demand that China does not “oppose, challenge, or otherwise retaliate against the United States’ imposition of restrictions on investments from China in sensitive U.S. technology sectors or sectors critical to U.S. national security.”
"China will refuse to discuss President Trump's two toughest trade demands when American negotiators arrive in Beijing this week, people involved in Chinese policymaking say"
It's to be expected really. Everyone in America, except west coast neoliberals, are not pleased with the current Chinese trade situation. Bourgs are mad that China is ripping off their patents, petty bourgs are mad about nationalism while proles want the jobs back. Things were going to change sooner or later, and it's clear the change will occur in the next twelve months as things continue to escalate.
Easton Brooks
Trade war to world war?
Cooper Adams
First comes the depression
Cooper Moore
Which leads to acceptance?
Noah Brooks
Holy shit Drumpf may as well just enslave them already. So basically he wants to cripple them in such a lethal way he'd be indirectly killing them since China's tech industry is it's biggest.
I don't actually know if capitalism is at denail or anger yet
Brandon Morgan
Denialist anger.
Angel Lewis
Biggest by volume but not by market penetration in Korea, Japan or America. All three don't want their tech manufacturing consume by China so it's an easy fight for Trump to win.
It won't kill them but it is a major problem for their business plans which require growth. Trump is going to end their limitless growth, a thing their capitalist class is not prepared for.
Zachary Jones
The best type of anger
Kevin Howard
Also if you check America's demand list it's pretty obvious Silicon Valley and the Pentagon wrote it:
It's over. Even if Trump were to get Impeached it's obvious there's a deeper realization within both parties that the status quo cannot continue because China will destroy their businesses and their security. This is the tipping point, now comes the cascade that will destroy free trade and cripple the neoliberal system. The end of the Clinton consensus.
are they doing this because they want China to not become post-industrial in the slightest to keep the cheap labour in place? Or do they just want to cripple thier economy in general?
yeah there's some delusions in the USA, with their dick swinging recently they seem to have forgotton that china could easily reproduce many of US key tech products (like intel processors) through reverse engineering and then sell them at much more cheaper prices than the jacked up ones now. The only reason they don't do this is their connections with america: if these were cut, China would have no reason not to sell to third world markets cheap black-market CPUs and hence, even cheaper laptops, consumer electronics, or at least sell high quality computers at cheaper prices.
Jaxon Wright
No, they're doing it to protect their own economy. There's no grand plan to harm China here, those grand plans were enshrined in the TPP which Trump burned down on his first day of office. What is happening here is raw, unfettered protectionism. Though if it does harm China America won't care in the slightest, because very few Americans care about the plight of workers in China.
Jeremiah James
literally no american porky will ever be willing to pay a factory worker enough. Enough as in enough to actually pay for rent and food. This isn't protectionism, this is a fucking suicide.
Dylan Carter
Porkies will just raise prices to ensure their profits aren't touched. Protection of their copyrights and patents is paramount to their existence, otherwise a ripoff could compete against them.
(also most jobs will go to Mexico assuming they don't elect their own Trump and exit NAFTA)
Eli Phillips
This would require American worker's rages to be increased though. This does not seem to be a very well thought out plan on Porky's part if we just don't assume that non of this is planned and Trump is just bullshitting himself into a situation that nobody is prepared for. Protectionism WOULD be a powerful shield against having their markets not littered with cheap black-market crap if anyone was prepared at all. However it is becoming increasingly clear to me that nobody knows what the fuck to do. The Republicans are fleeing despite the fact that Trump's popularity is gaining, and the Democrats keep doing their same fucking thing. Porky is clever and usually intelligent, but that doesn't make them an unstoppable force, incapable of making mistakes.
Daniel Jenkins
China should fight the trade war as it did the Korean War www.globaltimes.cn/content/1096846.shtml "As a rising power, China has always been gentle. China is also an active advocate for constructive China-US relations. But signals from Washington that the US is changing its strategy toward China have raised the alarm. This trade war was initiated by the US in an especially brutal way and the price it demands is unbearable for China. The US has given China no choice but to launch a comprehensive resistance.
A strategic resolution is being established in China, which is to fight the Trump administration's trade aggression in the same way the country fought US troops during the Korean War (1950-53). The Korean War caused China much losses but it forced the US to sign on an armistice, damaging Washington's strategic arrogance and winning many years of strategic respect for Beijing. We should fight today's trade war with the same strategic spirit that fears no sacrifice or loss, and force the US to burn the very stick that it wields at China.
China's participation in the Korea War was due to US military's approach to the Yalu River, which is the Chinese border. Today's trade war is also due to US acts that are hurting China's core interests. A sense of crisis that we have no place to retreat is uniting the Chinese society. We know there will be sacrifices but we understand better that there is no limit to the greed of hegemony. If we don't build our trade defense today, we will never know what we will lose tomorrow.
We must point out that the balance of power has changed from six decades ago. Today's trade war will be fought between two relatively equal powers. The absolute advantage is Washington's bluff. Beijing is capable of hurting Washington in every trade battle, making the US suffer the same losses as China suffers.
We have sufficient evidence to believe that this trade war will hurt the US equally. "Chinese hiding in tunnels from US bombing" is not how this trade war will be fought. China has enough ammunition to fight this trade war. The pain brought by this trade war could stimulate China's economic transformation and it may become an opportunity for China to further catch up with the US in overall national strength.
We will let the US re-evaluate how China's system mobilizes its people to counter challenges from an external economic power. We will return whatever pressure that comes from the US in this trade war. Let the two systems engage in this trade war competition. When the fight begins, we will see which one is more capable of persisting."
Angel Morgan
China could promote closer collaboration with Japan, S.Korea to prompt N.Korea’s economic push globaltimes.cn/content/1100618.shtml The world may soon witness the amazing power of economic exchanges between China and North Korea. At the very least, it can be predicted that North Korea will soon see Chinese tourists flocking to the country after the UN lifts economic sanctions.
Carson Carter
Porky will raise wages and prices at the same time, thereby not affecting their profit margins at all. The real problem is that over here workers have some semblance of rights (eg severance pay), but they'll take it to protect their intellectual property.
That is true, but consider in hindsight they see trade with China in general as their largest mistake. They've created their own worst nightmare: a half-socialist/half-capitalist monstrosity that uses their own state against western businesses through corporate espionage. China's state-backed businesses have become their largest threat which they are responding to. Raising worker wages is a very small price to pay, since consumers and not capitalists will be paying for it.
Josiah Wright
NK is largely solved. Kim is clearly just going to become a Chinese friend in exchange for handing over his nukes to Beijing for dismantling, similar to what Ukraine did with Russia per the deal they brokered with America in the early 90s. But don't expect things to go much further then demilitarization of the Korean peninsula. China's companies directly compete against those in South Korea and Japan, all three of them will more or less agree to not compete against each other.
Ian Hill
You people will believe anything. The DPRK has always tried to denuclearize, but they're not going to do it so simply.
Luis Jones
"Patents" are spooky as fuck
Alexander Bell
Sure, but it's what spooks capitalists. China isn't respecting their property or their laws, this scares them. They're afraid and to them Trump's protectionism is a good enough replacement for their TPP.
Joshua White
They're fucking with the Dollar. China has a trillion in reserve that's fucking useless if they can't buy US assets, the US is issuing T bills like crazy, basically you've got a last ditch real asset grab by the US super rich. If it was about creating US jobs the US would want looser patent rules across the board. It's more creating unrest in China while impoverishing the US working class further.
Not to be too 4d chess, but a war could be great for us. If China and the US go to war, sides will have to be picked, and I can't imagine this won't negatively affect global markets. With half the world cut off from the other half, Socialists could just pick up some countries, which has happened every single time there was a World War. Future keeps on getting brighter for Socialism.
Why is Bronco doing so poorly? I though he would be extremely popular, particularly whenever people on Zig Forums loved him a whole lot.
Sebastian Sullivan
Why would they want to make intel chips? Those are botnetted to hell and back. I expect that they will make risc-v a actual thing then purposely get duked by the Israelites
Joshua Hill
Porky will try but the unemployment rate is at 3.9 %. American's will not realistically work for Chinese wages. Just look at agriculture which pays similar wages, no Americans are doing those jobs, just Mexicans.
I'd say they'll just immigrate more Mexicans but Trump for all his faults, is a true blue racist xenophobe, I don't think he's going to change on this issue.
Bentley Johnson
He can't change the issue even if he wanted to. He was elected on calling Mexicans job stealing rapists. Going back on that now would be a deep betrayal to his base.
Joseph Mitchell
Midwest is about the feel the MAGA.
Angel Gutierrez
MAKE AMERICA GO AWAY
Jayden Barnes
you mean large companies that control production, people are already poor and disenfranchised
this is why Trump is able to get away with what he does, people have nothing to loose and just want to see rich people suffer
Zachary Gonzalez
The rich aren't going to suffer, tho.
Nicholas Peterson
some are, the ones whose businesses are inherently transnational will suffer at the expense of ones whose businesses are contained to just north america
Thomas Reyes
Literally everyone but AMLO are "US backed South American Neo-Cons the person(s)" Thus his massive popularity since even his Modest Soc-Dem Policies are radical compared to most of Mexican society
Leo Reyes
NEGOTIATIONS FAIL TO REACH SIGNIFICANT BREAKTHROUGHS: IT BEGINS
However it's building military bases in Africa and private property became a constitutional right in 2004
James Morales
To assist these nations in combating imperialism Is Imperialism when a Army does something now? (Citation needed) And even if so as i have pointed out even if it was true it is barely enforced
It's putting the African nations in debt to China. It's mostly profit driven. Just because China opposes America doesn't mean that anything they do is the opposite of Imperialism.
Christopher Long
China doesn't do a goddamn thing to help Yemen or Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya or Syria or literally anyone in South or Central America. China is not anti-imperialist, it's the smaller Empire you fucking chetnik disgrace to Titoposters.
Parker Gomez
Bruh
Brody Morris
China will adopt Juche finally, as I predicted.
Matthew Collins
So they've outlawed private property since?? Doesn't look like they have.
Easton Watson
JUCHE GANG ASSEMBLE
Hudson Taylor
2011 was when Bloomberg and the rest of the world was still convinced China would become a liberal democracy
Xi has already halted this opening up, we shall see if he will further reverse these private property measures
America's demands aren't crazy, they are completely rational and predictable. This doesn't merit all of them though, the IP theft regulations are obviously put there by asshurt capitalists who are mad as fuck at China for copying their property.
That's not how diplomacy works. There's one office for diplomacy, the Dept of State, which is formally headed by the Secretary of State who answers directly to the President. Resolving trade disputes in other ways leads to creations of international orgs like the WTO that China has proven ineffectual. This was why Bush and Obama created the TPP which was supposed to have more teeth, but tolerance for these sorts of international deals ran out amongst American voters and it died during the lame duck session.
Too bad the orange pissboy just gutted the department. If any serious negotiations ever take place, the US will send second rate people at best. I've heard, behind closed doors, similar things about the delegations they sent to monitor the Brexit preparations in Britain.
Lucas Morgan
I feel that this demand list actually shows the souls of the burguer's capitalists. In the end Trump is just channeling what populates the (un)conscious of the bourgs in this low profit rate + high competition era
Andrew Bennett
Profit rates are up to gilded era levels what are you on about. This confrontation is happening because USA knows the longer it delays the stronger China gets so it's better to do it ASAP.
Kayden Cooper
On this (pic and pdf). If the profit rates were high, we would be seeing a gdp growth around 4-6% or more and low debt-to-gdp in the developed countries, which isn't the case right now.
