1. If the Y-P-G is anti-imperialist, why aren't they helping Palestinians in their territory? The Palestinians are by far one people who have been the most brutalized by capitalism and imperialism in the past 100 years.
2. A lot of Sunni Muslims support Erdogan, seeing as how he's essentially become the ummah's "Modi". Postcolonialists could make the argument that badmouthing Erdosultan is de facto "Islamophobic" since it denies Sunni Muslims their agency.
This. Erdogan is using religious and ethnic tensions along with his propaganda machine to create a jihadist buffer zone. Palestinians won't complain about NATO imperialism if a guy with a red cresent on his arm says inshallah and gives his family a house in Afrin. As for who the left should support, the P.K.K. and it's affiliate PJAK are pretty cool to look into. I'd mention the Y.P.G. and it's various lefitst militas (MLKP, Bob Crow Birgade, BÖG, TKP/ML TİKKO, Reconstrucción Communista, IRGPF, and Sosyal İsyan, the only green anarchist milita I know of) but I know this board so I won't.
But races don't exist am I right? Suddenly ethnic nationalism now.
Matthew Phillips
Why aren't the Kurds helping the Palestinians though? Why is it only Erdogan, albeit for malicious reasons?
Julian Rodriguez
They clearly aren't and won't be (unless the US betrays them and they decide to flip, but as of yet they're still in the pocket of the US). I don't care about "muh agency". Also positioning Erdogan as leader of all Sunnis is patently absurd imo, even among hardcore Sunni identitarians there are a lot of different organizations which actively work against each other (Wahhabis, Muslim Brotherhood, etc.) I'm sure he'd like to retake the rest of Syria but he's been a bit occupied dealing with ISIS and the "moderate rebels."
shiggy
Hunter Collins
The Kurds in Bakurê and Rojavá (turkey and Syria) originally supported the Palestinians as they understood what it was to be oppressed and stateless. However, they were in no position to help with materials nor men, so it was more of a solidarity thing. However, not every Palestinian is a member of the PLO and very few actually give a shit about "anti-imperalism" as we know it nor capitalism. They're just people who hate the west for betraying them and Israel for the obvious. So when Turkey, a Muslim majority nation with sweet smiles and plenty of bread uses them as pawns for ethnic cleansing, the Palestinians aren't thinking about that. They just want a home and stability. Solidarity can only go so far
The baboons have to leave the indo aryan Kurds alone. Back to the Gaza strip, baboon men.
Hudson White
The problem is, in the Middle East there isn't "two sides" but 17 sides to every conflict. There are Kurds who are pro-Zionist and Kurds who are anti-Zionist along with Kurds who don't give a fuck and Kurds whose "side" changes on a whim. Similarly, there are Palestinians who are revolutionary like the remainder of the PFLP, Palestinians who are downright reactionary like Hamas, Palestinians who love Assad vs. Palestinians who love Erdogan, and Palestinians who don't care about any political ideology aside from "remove Ashkenazi".
Easton Parker
The elimination of Israel trumps literally all other concerns in the region. I don't care how "reactionary" the Palestinians are and neither should you. Any group that buddies up to zionists deserves to be completely obliterated.
Just asking, are you Palestinian? Not holding it against you if you're not.
Isaiah Cook
Saudi Arabia is a more corrosive influence on the region than Israel. By orders of magnitude.
Nathan Fisher
This.
If Saudi, Israel, Qatar, the rest of the Gulf Arab states, and Iran all disintegrated there would be total peace in the Middle East for the rest of eternity.
What's wrong with my statement? All of these countries are shitfests, Saudi and Israel being the worst.
Jayden Barnes
The Palestinians aren't the center of the MENA. No one gives a shit about them. At all. The conflicts in the MENA are all about natural resources and geopolitical control.
Hudson Wright
Israel is a fascist ethnostate. As long as it exists it gives the fascists in other countries hope that they can succeed. It needs to be destroyed in an extremely public manner.
Zachary Wilson
How do you destroy Israel?
Samuel Turner
The problem is, even if Israel becomes Palestine again it still won't mean all the other sectarian conflicts in the MENA (as well as all the fighting over oil control and whatnot) will immediately disappear. Sunni vs. Shia was a thing even before Zionism (see: Ottomans vs. Safavids). Oil and other resource-related conflicts occur wherever there is oil or other valued minerals (why do you think the US is so eager to destroy Venezuela?).
Israel is just *one* factor, and anyone who claims Israel is the *only* factor is probably a dipshit.
Brayden Miller
Balkanization of Iran is Literally one of America-Israels long term goals in the Region There is already reports of Kurdish separatists in Iran receiving aid from the US/Israel
Ryder Bailey
Iran is also a shithole, not as bad as KSA and Israel though.
Cameron Butler
I wonder who could be behind this post
Brayden Thompson
I think KSA and Israel are way worse than Iran. Iran is fucked up itself though.
Connor Green
Not him, but if you think that the ideals and policies are compatible with socialism then you are delusional. I fully support the policy of backing Iran as a counter to US imperialism, but as the lesser of two evils only. The Iranian state and ruling class are useful idiots to the socialist cause, nothing more.
Being oppressed or displaced doesn't give you a free pass to particpate in ethnic cleansing carried out by an invading imperialist force. The Jews were displaced in 1948, but it didn't give them the right to displace the Palestinians, likewise displaced Palestinians have no right to displace Kurds.
Anthony Gomez
Shia Islam has socialist elements and Iran isn't even capitalist. Even the Iranian "ruling class" is barely a ruling class at all, since Shi'ism doesn't permit any kind of aristocracy.
Caleb Wright
So does Christianity, that doesn't make medieval Europe socialist.
Oh really? So they don't have wage labour, private property, markets, and capital accumulation?
And the bible says lots of bad things about rich people, but the Vatican is still full of gold.
Nathan Sullivan
Obviously Iran isn't socialist but it isn't a "shithole".
Ok let's not get crazy.
Isaiah Collins
I wouldn't call it that, but at the same time I won't imply that all criticms of reactionary policies of the Iranian state is just crypto imperialism, which is what a lot of vulgar anti-imperialists seem to think.
Aaron Cox
The means of production aren't privately owned. The state owns the vast majority of industry and has very strong social welfare programs including basic income and strong maternity leave.
Nicholas Perry
Iran isn't imperialist. Who is it exploiting to make super-profits?
Dominic Diaz
I guess that makes up for all the communists they hung in the 80s, or the fact that its literally illegal to be a communist there.
I didnt say they were imperialist, I said that they have many reactionary domestic policies, and that these can be rightfully criticized without aiding imperialism.
Why would that be the case when Iran was good friends with the USSR?
Jayden Reed
nah, they didn't literally purge the Tudeh party and pretty much all communist leaders. That's fake news. Some fucking revisionist fatass russian liked them because they pissed off the US so that must mean they're communist lmao. Just stop doing this. I don't know if you're from Zig Forums, or if you're trying to make ☭TANKIE☭s look bad (as if that's necessary) or simply this fucking stupid, but you should stop.
Logan King
Shia Islam promotes succdem, not socialism. Imam Ali was no Lenin.
Caleb Perez
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Wyatt Carter
Islamo SocDem gang UNITE!
Jaxson Jenkins
Why are leftoids so bloody obsessed with converting Muslims into socialists by claiming Islam promotes socialism? For fuck's sake, Christianity and even Judaism and Buddhism are LITTERED with socialist tropes yet no one in their right mind thinks all Christians, Jews, and Buddhists are going to immediately become socialist. Yes, I know the images of jihadis engaging in asymetical warfare against the West are quite enticing. Yes, I know the left hasn't had any victories in a while. Yes, I know the Palestinians are suffering a lot. Yes, I know Algerians in France suffer quite a bit under their gov's racist policies too. BUT that doesn't mean Islam is a "socialist religion", Muhammad was Lenin and Ali was Stalin, the whole Muslim World will go socialist if given the choice, or anything of that matter. SO JUST STFU IF YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED ISLAM.
I think it should be obvious to support only those whose supporting is in someones interest. Therefore what do we gain from cheering Palestinians or Kurds in partucular.
Sebastian Rodriguez
What makes Islam more "socialist" than any other religion? Seems like people conflate believers with the beliefs.
Anthony Miller
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Anthony Young
shit bait tbh famalam
that is so untrue it hurts. Like, you actually couldn't be more wrong about anything ever. Palestinains are a mix of Arabsand Phonecians, like the Lebanese or the Jordanians. Kurds speak an indo european language, so obviously they have the same ancestry as most europeans, but they probably mixed with local armenians and later turks. But
Jeremiah Butler
Love to watch Kurd apologists break out the calipers to tell us how unique and special their ethnic group is and how they totally are genetically distinct from those filthy Palestinians.
Brody Mitchell
Not everyone in the MENA is Arab. Kurds are genetically and linguistically (and culturally) closer to Armenians than Arabs.
Asher Hernandez
falseflag is becmoing weaker and weaker with every post you make. At this pace you'll be shoutig gas the kikes in an hour. So I advise you to stop. And yes, Kurds ARE genetically distinc from Palestinians. There was a lot less interaction between Arabs and Kurds than between Kurds and Armenians, Turks, Circassians, Assyians and so on.
Ryder Ramirez
culturally and linguistically they are closer to Iranians actually.
Jonathan Turner
This, Kurdish is an Iranic language: like Fasi or Azeri. Their history is much like that of the other Iranic ethnicites, which is why historically kurdish sepratism jas always been weak in Iran: it is tied to that polity. Elsewhere, however, it os clearly defined from semitic or turkic culture & ethnology.
Adam Wood
Correction. Its ( ( ( Erdogan ) ) )
Carter Howard
That and the fact that Kurds weren't ethnically cleansed by Iranians, unlike Turks and Arabs
Christopher Walker
Erdogan isn't Jewish and in fact many Turkish Jews are leaving Turkey due to what they see as his semi-Islamist policies.
Luis Hall
What all ten of them?
Jose Campbell
There are still something like 20,000 Sephardic Jews left in Turkey, many of whom still speak a dialect of Medieval Spanish.
Chase Campbell
Who do the Palestinians support in the Syrian war? I've heard most of them are anti-Assad. Is this true?
Camden Cooper
Hezbollah, PFLP, and Quds Brigade have all been assisting the Syrian government and support them. Hamas depends more on donations from Qatar, UAE, and Saudi, and so made a huge error not supporting the Syrian government. I don't know if there are any actual polls on this topic, but the biggest "pro-Palestinian, anti-Assad" campaign was much more in Western college campuses and the BDS movement, rather than Gaza or West Bank proper. A bunch of psychotic liberals purged all the principled anti-imperialists from the BDS movement.
Jayden Cooper
Is the BDS Movement really that bad now? I was involved with them for a few years back (2008-2011, had a falling out).
Samuel Ross
Keep in-mind BDS has always been a liberal movement aimed at getting white people to be better consumers. There's a reason why their biggest targets are always Israeli produce, Israeli cosmetics companies, Israeli artists, and consumer-driven services which do business in Israel like AirBNB. They never target the "big guys" like Lockheed, BAE, or even US politicians.
Colton Torres
"reports" The PJAK is listed as a terrorist organization by the US, and isn't even separatist in the first place.
Juan Stewart
Then why did he jail a man for 29 years for writing a book claiming he and his wife are cryptojews? Rather extreme 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧response🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.
threads like these make me wanna fuckoff to reddit
Blake Morgan
That Twitter account is most likely run by westerners.
I have never once seen the Y-P-G demonstrate any kind of solidarity with Palestine.
Justin Thomas
That's literally how the anti-apartheid movement worked you moron.
Zachary Smith
Why don't Israel and Jordan make a population exchange agreement? This has been done before, as in Greece and Turkey, or German emigration from the Balkans and Eastern Europe, or the Chinese from Malaysia to Singapore, and so on.
Palestine in essence is just transjordan. 80% of Jordan's population identify as pallies. It's not like there is anything in the Palestinian land for them.
Adrian Jackson
Arab countries: 21, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Mauritania, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, the Comoros Islands, Iraq, Djibouti, and the United Arab Emirates. Almost all whom are close to 100% muslim due to persecution, emigration and outlawing of other religions
Jewish countries: 1. Israel, with a significant muslim and arab population, with a land area smaller than the San Francisco Bay Area.
Remind me again why we need yet ANOTHER failed arab muslim state and hotbed of terrorists when there are plenty of them the gypsy arabs known as palestinians can already move to?
Jayden Lewis
South African apartheid primarily ended due to divestments, not consumer boycotts. Hipsters boycotting South African grapes had very little impact compared to companies themselves pulling out.
Plus, boycotts often become very cult-like. See the "Maoist cults" thread for what I mean.
Evan Gutierrez
As you pointed out, the majority of Jordanians are at least part Palestinian, so this "exchange" has already been going on for decades. That said, most people don't want to leave their home. If things get significantly worse for Palestinians we'll probably see more of them leave.
Fuck off Zionist
Noah Morales
Daily reminder "socialist" China is becoming Israel's new best friend.
Daily reminder "socialism with Chinese characteristics" = financially investing in a racist state
Fuck off Arab imperialist. You muslims just want everything for yourselves since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and can't seem to live in peace with christians, buddhists, jews, hindus or even other muslims.
Lucas Campbell
Don't worry: Israel is on its way to becoming a proxy of China, rather than a proxy of the US, meaning ☭TANKIE☭s will support you guys against Sunni imperialism.
Kurds have made it a deal with the devil to keep their secessionist dreams alive.
Luis Robinson
So why aren't they reaching out to other oppressed peoples in the Middle East? Why can't they work with the Palestinians, Armenians, and Amazigh?
Justin Hernandez
Outside of R*java most kurds are nationalist as fuck and basically want their own version of Israel. The most unique thing about r*java isn't their shitty attempt at communism but the fact that they aren't explicitly ethnic nationalist despite being kurds. If only they hadn't aligned with the US.
Jason Barnes
I don't get what's up with some leftists feeling a need to support literally any country that has separate interests from the US, even if those countries are objectively worse, as well as throwing some of the most important movements in the Middle East under the bus because "muh imperialism" Goddamn you guys are retarded.
Asher Hernandez
Care to name some?
Levi Thomas
There is not a single country on Earth that is worse than the US (that isn't already allied with the US lol.)
