Reclaiming the Antifa Brand From Idpol

For the BLM, it has to be a black person.
For the feminist rally, it has to be a woman.
Dor the gay parade, it has to be a gay and a lesbian.

It can never be done, idpol is inherently divisive.

you are missing the point in a way: for a Marxist anything that is rooted in particular identities is fruitless. the proletariat is a structural category. everything else is moot or secondary, stemming from the former.

Good post.
One cannot truly be an anti-fascist, unless one strives to put an permanent end to the whole damn thing. Fighting the flames that appear is important, but merely futile glory-posing unless the figurative arsonist is stopped.

Hm, a symbiosis of fascists and liberal antifa posers. The former gives the latter the opportunity for feelgood non-action, the latter a worthless dummy opponent to strawman to the former.

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but this usually ends up being: everything i don't like is fascist

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Talk about strawmanning.

oh so this is what they mean when they post "anti fascists are the real fascists" /George Orwell; anti-communist/
I like how they conviniently leave out the part about capitalism.

Why?
No, especially not the first one. Fucking your own sex isn't even a political movement.

If you, as a single individual, were to show up to a rally to scream about class collaboration out of the blue, you would single yourself and get laughed or forced out. The whole point of rallies is that large amounts of people are meant to show up to them, and your individual spasming is useless in face of their numbers. So you can waste time doing this if you want, but you'll just end up looking like the retard you actually are.

This is alt-right bait. What I don't think OP gets is that the purple-haired idpol types don't go to pride parades anymore, at least here in Burgerland. In my state there are alter-pride festivals called Queerbomb now which combines anti-capitalism with turbo-idpol. The more left and anti-capitalist you go, the more idpol you go. That's how it works in real life and not on goofy internet imageboards. The main pride parades are for normies.

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Fighting against discrimination is not reactionary.

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No thanks. I'd rather unite with BLM, antifa, etc. A whole lot of these groups come from a tradition of anticapitalism. While that's not their focus now, we can come together. We're stronger together.

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Yes it is when they actively spout lies, that discredit leftism as a whole. Solidarity over what? some made up first-world problems? Hell, I'm not a third-worldist but I'll eat my hat if these fuckers aren't the most pretentious, ill-mannered, self-absorbed, falsely-conscious snow-flakes I've ever seen.

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Oh hey sargon…

You know that red panels is an actual Nazi right?

I wouldn't do it, but I sure as hell think that they definitely are reactionaries and capitalist collaborators. TBH nothing to be done

Welp, I guess I'm gonna go back to not having any beliefs again if this is the kinda shameful shit I have to associate with. How is this not concerning oneself with identity over all things.

How the fuck is BLM anti-capitalist? They are all about class collaboration, as long the capitalist in question is a black person.

"Anti-class traitor action," "anti-capitalist action," and emphasis on post-leftism & critical reading groups as a basis for organizing have all been proposed.

Have you ever met anyone in BLM?

Im ok with Antifa, need to get more /fit/ though

That is not an argument blow your brains out antifag.

No that's retarded.

Remember when things like this happened to white people and they literally hanged people for it? Idpol is ALWAYS reactionary, you just think it is cool and underground because these are minorities doing it, people who are in a time and in a position where they can not so freely execute their darker intentions.

If you are so quick to abandon your beliefs because of how other people are identifying themselves then your beliefs were pretty threadbare to begin with. Who is the one really concerned with identity politics here?

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psssst, so is he

I don't think it's "cool and underground" you condescending leftier-than-thou cunt, I think it's a movement started by members of an oppressed community that is worthwile even if it isn't socialist/communist - which is understandable considering the fact that capitalism has won not only economically but also culturally.

So if poor, white, working class men decide to organize along lines of skin colour, you'd support that?

This is basically workerism. Stop it.

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Good point. But i give blm some leeway considering they're a demographic that still deal with systemic racism. But you're probably not american, so i can see you not really understand where they're coming from.

how are you this stupid? look at what you wrote. "organize". organize for what? what possible reason can a majority group have to organize along skin color other than the subjugation of minority groups?

it's a point literally from the altright playbook, if there was a racist bingo it would be on it

This is such a lazy ass strawman. Please kys.

Black Lives Matter doesn't organize on the basis of skin color, you cunt.

Supporting black owned businesses is actually existing socialism, here's a useful app to help with that:
backingblackbusiness.com/

Do your part to help marginalized communities, with your wallet!

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Oh yes it does m8.

You idiot it's an edit.

Nothing to do with sargon, just can't stand antifa and their stupid bullshit, wave around red flags with hammers and sickles but unironically hate the USSR and do nothing but riot like idiots and make an ass of the whole left.

those images gave me cancer
thanks fam

The point is that they've made it into one.

You do realize BLM has actively gone out of its way to continue idpoling like a motherfucker right? That's all they fucking do, bitch about "muh white privilege" and "muh diversity" even in conversations where it isn't fucking relevant. They actively shame white people despite racism being a two way door, and the fact that only about 10% of the worlds people white or black were involved in slavery. Not to mention sheer willful ignorance about facts, statistics and scientific evidence.

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No they don't. They deal with de facto racism at best and even then not wide-spread. Statistically speaking cops are no less violent to whites than blacks, BUT whites aren't a minority so nobody really gives a fuck.
And in b4, cop racism, a majority of cops in Baltimore, several of whom are accussed of brutality are… wait for it… african american or latino cops. So basically they're brutalizing their own folk at this point.

Aren't you edgy.

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what's edgy about what I jsut said? Thos images are cancerous

it's literally the kinda shit shared by rural boomers on facebook.

holy shit if there was a Zig Forums bingo I'd be carrying my card to the referee now

Where the hell did you people come from

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I'm not seeing the logic here, newfag

I was referring to your post, the pics are a nice touch, much better than the usual crop of retards that try to fake it

That wasn't my post, I posted

probably reddit….
definitely reddit

Antifa is not one group. Each Antifa group is different from eachother.

which changes nothing important in my statement

Its not going to work. Idpol doesn't work like that: anarchism is founded in many revolutions, from the revolution of the proletariat to the revolution of the sexes. A noble goal. However, the revolution and killing of every capitalist must happen first. We can worrry about that later.

Your statement was just a paranoid accusation of a Zig Forums falseflag, there wasn't anything important there to begin with.

the virgin anti-protest

Antifa aren't an ideology. They're a group of people who fight against fascism in their communities. That's it. Many of them however are communists and anarchists (the reason many wear face masks is to de-empahasize hierarchy, not to hide their faces).

Come on now, you know that's not true

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left shitposting flag on

Are you saging your own post?

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You say this but then contradict yourself in the next sentence
Sounds like a shared ideology to me. There's literally no such thing as being above or without ideology, even for a loosely defined group like Antifa.

Why is this thread permitted? Someone do something about this please.

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I'd support economic socialism, if not for the reprobate social policies, especially "sexual freedom". If you're going to be totalitarian, then seize the means of reproduction. The nuclear family is best.

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That's a terrible comparison m8

well then where's the cutoff for sharing a common activity or goal and then having the same ideology

I don't think there's a hard cutoff you can pinpoint, but that doesn't mean your comparison wasn't stupid as fuck. You implied that antifa members have as much in common with each other ideologically as people who ride the bus, and you and I both know that's complete bullshit.

Ah that's really convenient for you.

You're an imbecile.

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That's as dumb as saying being skinny is the same as being fat because you can't precisely determine the point at which one transitions to the other, even though most people can easily and immediately tell the difference between a 300 lb lardass and a 140 lb shredded athlete. Fuck off with this continuum fallacy retardation.

I mean, you could probably say anonymous is an ideology, but the fact it's been hijacked by everyone from liberals to the far right shows it's ductile for most of the political spectrum.

I think you could argue that there's some common threads even between seemingly radically different groups of conservative or left-leaning anons

You should probably try and show that then, because outside their aesthetic taste and similar hobbies, I'm not seeing it.

I mean if we're talking about imageboards it's pretty obvious
It's not much but there's definitely some common ground, you don't need to be a genius to see that.

That's a pretty important point of similarity, don't know why you're handwaving it away like it doesn't matter.

Most of those are still pretty aesthetic or surface deep.

Because it's still pretty superficial.

You're free to have that opinion but that doesn't really address or refute anything I said. I never even claimed the similarities were that significant, but that doesn't mean they're not there.