Reactionary japan

Settlers?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boshin_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration

I did work for Koreans, if that counts.

Settlers by Sakai, if you spend enough time around SJW-American College types you'll eventually be recommended this book as proof of white guilt's existence.

But that's not everyone with intersectional sympathies, and Sakai's idea that white people "cannot be proletariat" is quite similar (though not identical) to a certain other marxist we and all know and love who doesn't like intersectionalism. There's multiple criticism of it and its not even true that "sjws" don't believe other can be reactionary, there's a thread up on ghazi right now about Go Nagai not really being a feminist, and he's japanese. For the record, I don't believe white people can't be proletariat or non-white cultures can't be reactionary, that's just fucking stupid.

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Japan never experienced bipartite manorialism.

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It is one of the best nations still existing, and an example of policies to take to improve your own.

japan isn't as reactionary as Zig Forums would like to think.

some context

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Germany? I'm surprised it's less than 50%. Also Poland. No way it's more than 20%

socialist ideals =/= internatioalism, at least not for everyone

They are just more.

Reminder that Abe might actually be a fascist.

I was coming from a different angle.
Muh great hero Lech Valensa… But… I stand corrected:

Poland stronk?

Nippon Kaiji is indistinguishable from a fascist cult

People like socialism, just not when they have to answer to USSR i guess

"national communism" in poland was something created by a large reactionary peasantry
it had little to do with the USSR itself but rather their collectivisation

Stop believing whatever pol says.
They are not that much different than western countries.

Which is my point, alot of people in boland have hatred for the USSR due to how they were treated, which carries on to modern russia etc.

His grandfather was literally a fascist war criminal. His rise to power is the equivalent of one of Goering’s grandchildren or something becoming pm of Germany and espousing neo-Nazi denialist sentiments in public while attending nat suc LARP clubs.

I hate liberals so much

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We should start having hate threads about populations we don’t like similarly to how Zig Forums has spic/chink/brazil hate threads. I’m all for it.

BASED China and India

Japan is basically the only non white country that embraced westernization. They are also one of the only non white countries that embraced fascism. At the same time they were extremely nationalist and isolationist. There are stories of European foreigners washing up on Japanese shores after a shipwreck and the japs attacking them with sticks and throwing them into prison.

It wasnt that long ago Japanese people were committing harakiri for the god emperor

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Not India, only China.
In india, people have designated shitting streets, plus they keep flooding Quora.

What about south korea?They pretty much supported the U.S

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The boshin war was actually fought between the emperor vs the shogun, dumbass, after it, it gives more power to the emperor.

The Emperor was a figurehead for a particular group of warlord families from Choshu and Satsuma. The Shogun was figurehead for another set of family alliances. Everything was in the Emperors name, NEVER by the Emperor himself. It just so favorably happened that the victorious clans molded the young Meiji Emperor to their way of seeing things- quite easy when Meiji was 18 when put on the throne.

And, NO, the Restorationists abolished feudalism almost immediately. They came to power with Samurai support and then they soon turned around and abolished ALL samurai's legal privileges.

How exactly do they abolish feudalism when the emperor is still in power as well as all the samurai families?

Not to negate the importance of this accomplishment but most samuari were nothing but kept flunkies of local Daimyos. Many of them were little more than functionaries with sword training.

Which explains the samurai rebellion some years later?

The samurai felt betrayed by the emperor they supported during the Boshin war.

Japan is just weird as fuck in general.

because of anime

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One of the few reasons they excepted it, was because they were able to keep their god emperor if they did. Macarthur was surprisingly clever in how he implemented reforms during the occupation.

Having an emperor who is effectively a constitutional monarch is not feudalism. Also, rule by families is Oligarchy, and capitalism is almost universally ruled by forms of oligarchical rule. All these families did was transition from landlords to industrialists, bureaucrats, officers and generals. Anyway it's a false dichotomy to say that you are either a landlord or a capitalist. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Feudalism means many things, but one of its defining pre-modern features is a legal regime that legislates special rights and privileges to certain groups in society. The Restorationists abolished the legal regime and instituted "modern" legal reforms and state building. That doesn't mean you lose all of your land. It simply becomes your private property and your "serfs" (if japan had such institutions) become rentiers rather than legally bound to the land.

By then they had become a bureaucratic class, but I think some still had military training. As it is, bureaucrats are more than capable of raising armies against you by making coalitions with other disaffected elements in society negatively affected by the Meiji reforms.

The key difference is that the Japs westernized largely under their own steam while the rest of Asia was more-or-less dragged along for the ride by either Japan or some western power.

So in short, feudalism never dies, it just modernizes, because that is what happens to Japan.

Dumbass, there was nothing wrong with what I said.

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China actually resisted modernization and its patriots heavily suppressed.

It could have been Japan tier if empress dowager did not jail her own son for wanting to modernize on their times.

In fact, what happens to Japan is the natural course of development of feudalism, and why the top form of industrialism is just feudalism restoration.

The Jap monarch was in no way a constitutional monarch in the Western sense prior to WWII. All that shit about him being a God-King wasn't just a meme that was Nips literally believed. Although there was a parliament the Emperor had the power to overturn governments that weren't to his pleasing or reverse bills he didn't like. Not that challenges to imperial will ever really got very far given that the Tokko (full-name often translated as "thought police") and the Kempetai were very actively suppressing leftists and other popular challenges to crown interests even in Taisho Democracy.

I also have to point out that economically the royal holdings were not so small that the monarchies holdings were just one among many. The Emperor was the both largest capitalist in Japan (all major corporations kicked some share of ownership to the emperor, plus there were state firms owned by the monarchy) and the largest landholder in Japan. The state itself held 51% of Japanese land in 1924 and while differentiating between the holdings of "the state" and the emperor is difficult since they were more or less the same in theory–Hirohito's personal landholdings came to 3.7% of the gross area of Japan.
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I think the case can be made that Japan did away with feudalism after Meiji but they did not follow a Western European model of development. Imo serious remnants of feudalism remained in Japan until the American Occupation.

That's idiotically reductive to the point of just being wrong.

Oh man, how wonderful it would have been to have hundreds of millions of militarist nationalists leading wars of aggressive extermination on its neighbors for precious sino living space. Really a missed opportunity.

Yes, which is proven by how it was a feudal military dictatorship for over 200 years but didn't industrialize until a plutocratic republic forced them to at gunpoint.

You're utterly ignorant.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a Western European model of development." It definitely did copy European/Western institutions almost whole cloth. It modeled its government and army on the Prussian's, bought and trained a navy built by Britain, and very quickly set off on a series of imperialist colonialism in the European mold. They wore Western dress, participated in Western cultural, political, and economic activities such as the Olympics and League of Nations, and sent its young aristocrats overseas to study in Western universities. It didn't track the exact same developmental path as France or Britain or whoever, but I don't think it's that different from the general European mode.

Kek

It was nationalist indoctrination. The Emperor was the embodiment of the nation, which is not so different from the Official nationalisms of Russia or the AH Empire. The only difference was that it wasn't based on Christian Universal Monarchy but on Indigenous traditions of the Emperor descending from the Sun God Ameratsu. Yes its a bizarre origin story to our ears but it's no different from other nationalist's appeal to a primordial mythical past.
No he didn't. The Emperor was a sacred figure. Involving him in politics whatsoever was to desecrate his person. People claimed to hold the Emperor's authority, especially the informal councils and advisors around him. The Modern Bureaucracy took seriously its mission to be the emperor's servants and provide impartial and fair arbitration and administration. The Emperor was the guiding light whose will could be interpreted in multiple ways but he was never the mover and shaker.
That was the military and navy who had direct responsibility to him, but in practice was a self-justifying excuse on account of those branches to get funcing for their own departments. It had nothing to do with actual principle but self-perpetuation of one's bureacratic corner.
You're mixing and matching eras. You assume that the whole Pre War era was a homogenous period when in fact Pre WWII japan had alternating periods of parliamentary rule, oligarchical rule (Meiji period) and military rule, the former two actually being the norm until the late 1920s.
No different from other so-called democracies at the time tbh. Political police and intelligence agencies are a feature of modernity not feudalism.

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yes and no. People are perfectly capable of adapting to new economic systems. They simply find a new role in it or they find a way to adjust the old systems to the new. In the American South, for example, slavery transitioned seamlessly into the feudal-tier sharecropping system that continued to hold Blacks in economic bondage. In Britain, too, landowners were remarkable then and since for investing large amounts of capital in infrastructure projects and early industrialization. And of course a few thousand families in England today still own like 50% of the land in that country or something ridiculous. Even in France where the Revolution liquidated the economic power of Aristocracy, you still had titles and families continue and created anew in successive monarchical regimes of the 19th century. Noble status even without the legal privileges was and is still considered to have much social value. You even have the paradox of ex-nobles becoming died in the wool republicans and whose families keep getting voted into local government based on their republican credentials.

This is a bit of a meme tbh the Imijin War was Japan's first serious attempt to conquer Asia:
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Japan also had colonies prior to Meiji in both its southern part (e.g. Okinawa) and also in its far-north in Hokkaido which one scholar of Japanese imperialism has argued convincingly that Hokkaido was a Japanese settler-colony and perhaps even Japan's "most valuable colony" due to its large Japanese population and industrial infrastructure. I do not find the attempt to claim that Japan was merely aping the West to be plausible. It's true they took the West as a model but many of the traditions and social forces behind the Meiji Revolution were indigenious. Japan's brutal history of colonialism sits entirely on her own shoulders and can't be deflected by claiming she was following a Western model.

But it is actually different, because the monarchical state didn't own 67.5% of the land in contemporary European monarchies. The state largely didn't provide subsidies for private businesses in European constitutional monarchies because this was considered to be against liberal principles. State-owned enterprises themselves were also substantial. The landed classes and the haute-bourgeoisie weren't as neatly integrated in the West as they were in Japan prior to WWII. Tsarist Russia (another Eastern monarchy) was probably the only European monarchy that excerised similar control over the nation's industry and business-life as the pre-Occupation Japanese monarchy–and even its control wasn't nearly as great.

It's actually a case where the differences resemble each other–what appears to our eyes as similarities of development are really only the similarities of a mode production whose inner logic cuts across cultural and social contexts.

But the problem is that even once Japan got universal (male) suffrage in 1925 (!) their conception of monarchy was still one that was closer to an Absolutist model of monarchy in the vein of Louis XIV than that of Britain's monarchy. In fact, even that is something of an inadequate comparison, since the function of the Emperor didn't have an exact Western equivalent. MacArthur pointed out totally inaccurately that the role of the Emperor in Japan was closer to that of the Pope than a normal King in the Western European style.

Untrue, but perhaps the main homogeneous factor running through the post-Meiji period was the reactionary role of the monarchy in relation to the development of bourgeois democratic life in Japan. Historians such as Sterling and Herbert Bix, in addition to many others have shown that the emperor was not a passive force but a very active one that had tremendous power both theoretically and behind the scenes. They have also shown that the Emperors (often successfully) worked to resist democratization even in the post-war era. It is now documented fact (though denied by Allied authorities during the Cold War) that the Emperor wasn't just complicit in the crimes of the fascist period but actively supported and drove them on.

The gains of the Taisho period (though brief) were real enough but the entire point of instituting fascism in Japan was an attempt by the monarchy (and some other oligarchs) to rollback even the consolidation of bourgeois democracy. Given this its also fair to say that Japan never had a stable, functioning and long-lived bourgeois democracy of the Western type.

Even today, Japan's "democracy" leaves much to be desired since it is effectively a liberal one party state.

*not totally inaccurately

Show me how I am wriobg, buttboy.

And China has engaged in colonizing and invading their neighbors for thousands of years, Vietnam, Korea, various kingdoms, and now it still does it to Tibet. Imperalism did not start with industrialization.

And the US forces it to drop isolationism, dumbo, not for it to modernize. Both shogunate and imperials were trying their best to modernize ASAP so they can become the sole power standing, it was a power struggle, not a revolution.

Weird, it is just like Marx was wrong and anything.

Heck, you can have literally slave owning system mixed with modern economy in Africa or Middle East.

Yes, the emperor being god king is nationalist introduction when the concept of god king has existed in China before BC.

You are a fucking idiot.

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Define inbreeding and outbreeding

Except he doesn't say that. By his logic, most of the muh white working class isn't proletarian because the proletariat is the lowest, most exploited class in society and most white workers benefit from superprofits obtained from the oppression colonized people, who comprise the majority of the actual proletariat. Still, he concedes that there are some white proles. Idk why this board fetishizes theory so much when most of the posters here clearly don't read or even know what they're talking about.

Hmmm. It's almost as though concepts don't change throughout history and take on varying degrees of importance according to the circumstances of the time. No. Emperor worship as it existed after the Meiji Restoration was different from what came before. It would not have been possible without a national education system, a bureaucracy and the creation of a state religion (shinto) which had never existed in a formal manner before.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not tbh

There's no serious way you can draw a straight line between the Imjin War and later Japanese imperialism. It's like saying Luther and the Reformation caused the Holocaust.

those were within Japan's traditional sphere of influence. Real attempts to annex them and make them Japanese was done only in the 19th century, especially the Ryukyu Kingdom. Those were also tiny projects compared to the acquisition of Taiwan and Korea at the turn of the 19th century.
It wasn't any more brutal than other european colonial projects. In fact it was actually quite competently run.

They did through arm's purchases and other government contracts. Also the French, Germans and Russians definitely subsidized industry, even if the latter two weren't strictly "liberal"
It's very much European and nested in economic and political ties with the rest of the continent.

Italy only got universal sufferage in 1914 (only exercised in 1919 really). Britain in the 1884 (60% of males) and 1918 (100% above 21)

The only ones that did were the UK and to a lesser extent the US. France was a shitshow until 1870 and Italy's bourgeois democracy was extremely flimsy. All the other bourgeois democracies i can think of were very fragile.

But let's face it, democracy and republics generally leave much to be desired, whether they're lopsided or not.

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How is France that low? I don’t believe this.

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refugee crisis, probably

Actually state education, state religion, the bureaucracy and secret police all existed pre Meiji restoration, they just got modernized.

The peasants still think the emperor was God before and after Meiji restoration.

Are you the dumb fucker who thinks colonilization in ancient and feudal eras were not the same as colonization in the industrial eras?

Marx was dumb and wrong.

History didn't begin in Japan when Commodore Perry touched down there. The main difference is that the Imjin war was not pursued for capitalist purposes but mainly to feed the landlust that many in the samurai class were experiencing. Indigenous precedent actually helps us understand a good deal about the Japanese Empire.

Likewise, while Luther did not cause the Holocaust despite what some nutty Zionists might say understanding the context of anti-Jewish prejudice in German history helps us understand why something like the Holocaust could happen.

I wonder if the Ainu people felt the same way. I wouldnt exactly say the conquest of Hokkaido was a small-project, I mean its almost the size of Taiwan and was (and is) quite useful to Japan both economically and strategically.

Much of the colonization I referred to also occured during the Tokugawa period–before Perry could come along to tempt the innocent Japanese into colonialism. Although a quite different debate this isn't unrelated to the debate about the origins of Japanese capitalism itself, while its true that Japan pursued a Western model of industrialization it was also the most highly urbanized society in Asia and one of the most urbanized countries in the world (with a thriving merchant class) prior to the Meiji Revolution. It might accurately be said that the intrusion of the Western barbarians provided more an opportunity to move ahead vigorously with modernization than that they were forced to modernize.

My man, this is some hot bullshit. The Belgian Congo and German Namibia/Nazi Germany are just about the only 19th-20th century colonies that were on the same level or worse than the crimes and atrocities committed by the Japanese. The colonization of Korea, which begins with the Black Ocean terrorist group raping the Queen of Korea and setting her on fire (in front of the Russian ambassador), is truly chilling to read about. Historians estimate that the colonial terror that followed this coup d'etat resulted in tens of thousands of executions, some even claim it was in the hundreds of thousands. Even the Korean language was banned and Korea's art and literature was looted. Some historians estimate that the Japanese took 6 million haha le meme number xD slaves over the course of their colonial occupation. Many of the victims of the atomic bombings were actually Korean slaves!
nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/pre-cold-war/hiroshima-nagasaki/survivors/korean-atomic-bomb-survivors.htm

The comfort women is actually probably the least of the crimes committed by the Japanese empire but it is one of the most famous. It was only after reading of the atrocities the Japanese committed in Korea that I began to understand why South Koreans seem to hate Japan more than America.

In fact, almost every group of people who come from an Asian colony occupied by Japan have said that the Japanese were the worst colonial overlords they lived under. The fact that Japan killed nearly a million Chinese with biological weapons during WWII really says it all, and this was a small portion of the enormous casualties that Japan inflicted on China.

Hardcore

Sounds a bit like the crusades tbh.

his downfall will most likely empower the left in Japan i hope

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isn't there a japanese socialist imageboard ?

Yeah, /poverty/ on 2chan

Tbf, Japan is just like Germany or Spain, the other two are seeing growing leftist movements so it figures Japan should too.

got a link to it ?

Yeah, scrolling a (translated) version it doesn't seem to be a Japanese Zig Forums but I've been told it is left-leaning:
leia.5ch.net/poverty/
Other left-leaning nip boards:
jbbs.shitaraba.net/news/6069/
^this one is probably the most hard-left Jap board that I know of and the userbase doesnt seem as rad as Zig Forums

jbbs.shitaraba.net/news/6016/
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Mean "breeding".

Eh, the LDP is still popular despite Abe being a massive fuck up. Plus they've more or less rigged the system in their favor.

What is the song…..?