Why you need capitalism

HUMAN NATURE! Say you start a small business, for example. You put in your savings and brains into the operation, and if successful, you can earn a profit which you don't have to share with people who don't work. In capitalism, you work for yourself and keep your money. Socialism takes your money and distributes it to the undeserving.

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I hope this is a meme.

this entire website and ideology is a meme

Well, if human nature defines capitalism, it naturally will be beyond challenge, just like other innate human traits.

Oops, it seem like it isn't at all! Capitalism is only 300 years old out of 10000 of human civilisation and .5 million years of human species! The opposition to it is huge, and it is considered unsustainable.

Thus, you are evidently wrong. Capitalism isn't innate to humans. Just like socialism does not contradict it, because if it would, it would not be so widespread and popular in Human society.

If we were to return to the old systems of humanity, we would set our species back thousands of years. Socialism is a step behind capitalism. We have progressed.

Oh, yes. "Savings" that you got from your daddy, i.e. are entitled to by a virtue of birth, no different to how a prince is entitled to ruleship in a monarchy.


Socialism is a final step to meritocracy. Your value in society is nothing less and nothing more than your contribution to society, while Capitalism still contains exploitation and rigid hierarchy, due to witch you need not work at all to gain control over value produced by others.

Is this bait it smells of it?

Anyway assuming it's not
Actually in Capitalism you take excess surplus value from workers this allows the bourgeoisie to effectively do little to no work for massive gains of profit while it's the workers who actually did all the work outside of some positions you could do without stealing from them like the greedy undeserving capitalist you are. And if your running a co-op or your a business of one then good job your're not stealing from your workers (ignoring all the other shit that capitalism does)

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Wrong. socialism is when you work for yourself and keep the money.

Only under socialism are workers given the means of production, its true democracy.

lets see you explain to anyone that you have to just "go start a small business to succeed" when they are poor and don't own any of the shit around them. you are living in a fantasy world, or are too retarded to read a fucking book.

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Someone had to create the idea of the business the worker is employed to and has to buy the machines and resources the worker needs in order to perform his/her job. I wouldn't say the industrialist does "nothing" and "steals from its workers". The worker is coming into the capitalist's property and demanding assets. You do not have to work for the industrialist as well, for it is voluntary.

I bet you’re not even a Petite Porky.
Also are you that fag from a few weeks ago that couldn’t tag people for some reason? I bet you are.

Kill yourself my man

or starve.


i refuse to believe anyone is this retarded

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"lets see you explain to anyone that you have to just "go start a small business to succeed"

Simple. You work for it and get loans if necessary.

don't tell him to kill himself, we were just like him years ago before we actually read shit and had a basic understanding of economics.

here you go op:
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Google what a coop is, you retard. You might learn something.

Leftypol is full of retards for god's sake. I'm going back to Steven Crowder neckbeards.

And people can organize that themselves
I had to buy my slaveship and ship my slaves over, so he's mine you emancipationists, go buy your own slaves and treat them good then.
So you manage some things, well good for you, you should be payed accordingly for the time and effort you put into these things without getting x percent of all the workers profits until the end of time because you "managed" some things when you can manage without stealing.
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Most new small businesses fail.
After failing and ending up in debt, it's unlikely you'll get a second chance.


Read a book while you're gone! Check the "absolute beginner material" from the reading list, so you know what the fuck you're talking about before next time.

"you work for it and get loans to start your small business"

Yes, i'm sure my service industry job that i am working at making just enough to pay rent and survive is going to give me the capital to start my own business, just like everyone else.
It just makes so much sense, why didn't anyone think of it before? workers should just start their own small businesses. boom problem solved, exploitation solved, literal neoliberal economy that is dying has been saved.

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In so far as you describe basic principles of ownership. However, the consolidation of capital, unequal access to credit and the unequal access to political means of force result in a very simple perversion of human nature. It is through capitalism that people deserving of more end up getting their assets taken by a select, advantaged and obviously undeserving few, whose sole merit was to inherit the reigns of capital.

Once you start learning more about how industrialization, globalization and modern finance affects the simple principles of capitalism, perhaps you might be better positioned to see the unnatural contradictions of capitalism. How can a bank which lends money it does not have or speculators selling commodities that do not yet exist nor do they own the rights to be seen as anything but the undeserving profiting on the exploits of the deserving?

Is it right that a porky who's never lifted a finger in labour can can make more money in a single day's trading of copper or oil futures than a miner or oil rig worker could make in their entire lifetime? Of course not. In unregulated capitalism, systems where workers are self-employed degenerate into systems where workers work for the dominant manipulators of capital, where workers keeping their money is irrelevant in the face of men who can render their savings worthless.

Whats it like being an actual moron who doesn't even have an entry level understanding of the things you are discussing.

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op read up on socialism, its not what you think it is

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OP does not understand the internal contradictions of capital, or why shit like the new deal is what took america out of the depression.

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in fact based on his argument op is probably a small child

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Marx, Capital vol. III

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This one's my favorite.

nobody deserves anything
there is more to life than debt tokens and fanciful playthings