Zig Forums's thoughts on prostitution? I'm not very educated on the issue but here are my two cents.
I think the liberal/libertarian argument that it is a contract between two consenting adults and just as valid as any other kind of (service) work would be somewhat valid if the average prostitute was someone that wasn't poor or in any economic trouble, wasn't coerced or anything like that, and just one day realized that he/she loves sex and has a special talent for giving blowjobs or something. Then I could at least entertain the argument that blowjobs should be treated the same way as massages or any other service.
But in reality, prostitutes are often poor and desperate, are coerced and manipulated, might have addiction issues, etc. It's just horrible all around, and allowing it would be to legitimize the attitude that if you have the money, (poor) women's bodies are nothing but commodities for you to buy and use however you like. For some reason, when it comes to sex, it instinctively feels more like some poor person selling their kidney (total commodification of the body) in order to afford food, rather than someone providing a service like giving massages.
I think the swedish approach, of going after people who purchase sex and not the prostitutes themselves, seems like a good idea.
You could say the same thing about workers' bodies in virtually any profession, although it's especially applicable to fields like construction.
It's called petit bourgeois respectability and prudishness.
You mean going after impoverished and desperate men instead of impoverished and desperate women? Sure, great approach.
Grayson Murphy
If it's proven most people who go to prostitutes have as about as much money as the prostitutes sure.
Lincoln Stewart
Not necessarily. That could be true, but I'm only maintaining that law enforcement is going to fall squarely on the more impoverished because the police aren't going to go after the escort services the wealthy use and, even if they did, the wealthy have enough money to escape any serious ramifications, while the poor can't. You're basically siccing the cops on men who can't afford it instead of women who can't afford it. This might be the liberal or socdem idea of progress, although no one on the left should see it that way.
support sex workers as workers. don't support the sex industry
MADE BY NO WORK IS CONSENSUAL GANG
Jordan Cruz
prostitution is just marriage without the veil
Ryan Sullivan
I'm opposed to it on a purely opportunistic basis. If there was widespread irrational opposition to the commodification of apple sauce, I'd be for banning the sale of apple sauce. The assimilation of all spheres of human existence and endeavor by the market must be resisted by all means.
Aiden Rivera
That's just retarded.
Logan Bailey
Ban it under socialism, support protection of sex workers under capitalism. The vast majority of prostitution is sex slavery. Pimps are rape kulaks.
Ethan Jackson
It won't really need to be 'banned' under a planned economy where we don't have an unemployed population goofball
Gabriel Richardson
Convert sex workers, to sex therapist and have them work to rehabilitate incels.
Luis Edwards
OH NO NO NO
Hunter Long
Disregard sexpol troll posts.
Michael Peterson
What if there's some guy who's particularly skilled at making doorknobs and only accepts sex as compensation. Should we forbid that transaction? I honestly don't know, I think prostitution and pornography should both be eradicated but I don't think you could stop people from using their genitals to acquire shit. Even in a moneyless society or some sort of gift economy.
Bentley Jones
We should talk more openly about the kinds of sexual acts we wish to allow. This will bring a lot more people to our platform. Ideally, we will have fairs, where we discuss the sorts of things that need to be made legal. In the very least, simple actions like carrying signs that say, "Prostitution, Yes, OK! Who needs guns? THE KKK!!!!"
Jordan Cooper
He would be sent to the gulag and reeducated to not be such a retard.
NEXT
Gabriel Foster
This really made me think
Benjamin Price
What about a similar analogy with drug purchasing and/or usage?
Dylan Martin
this
Isaac Rivera
SWEDEN YES
going to prostitues can be fun. t. german
Benjamin Rogers
I smell a christcucknigger tbhfamalam
Jayden Walker
You can fuck for free and if you want to make it a transaction who gives a shit? Regulate it, tax it, idgaf.
Sebastian Gray
at last I truly see
Michael Flores
"It's okay because there's money involved" is peak liberalism
There is no productive component to prostitution. It would not exist under socialism. Fucking to live is not consensual. Nobody should defend exploitation as naked as this.
And yeah, there are "sex workers" who defend their profession. Good for them. It doesn't make them not wrong.
Liam Diaz
We need buildings. Nobody needs recreational fucking. And the "just a job like any other" thing is such nonsense anyway. Is there any other field of work where ~70% of people going into it have a history of childhood sexual abuse?
Gabriel Russell
I'm against the sex industry/porn/prostitution but what do we do about the thousands of petty-booj feminists who defend sex work? Like they say it's part of their "empowerment" and they also organize slutwalks to embolden the sex industry. What do we say to those "feminists"?
In socialism, would it be better to abolish 3rd wave western feminism as it hasn't made ANYONE better off.
Lincoln Carter
Liberal feminism is just liberalism. Treat them like you would any other liberal.
Ryan Howard
like others in this thread, i can't see prostitution existing in a classless, moneyless society. regardless of what sex workers on twitter will tell you (when most of them are either cam girls or doms, who can work on their own terms and have the most to gain financially) run of the mill prostitutes wouldn't be fucking their clients if they weren't getting paid. so yeah, like one other poster said, abolish prostitution under socialism, protect workers under capitalism. the only form of sex workers i can see still existing under socialism are, as i said previously, cam girls and doms, where theres more at play than just sex for money. cam girls and their kink for voyeurism etc, and doms with their kink of, well, domming people.
Zachary Fisher
liberals who want to protect their low-effort (imo) paycheck.
Jeremiah Campbell
I know this is a shitposting thread but… >>>Zig Forums
Isaiah Martin
You do know the cam girls and dommes are faking, right?
All forms of the flesh trade are parasitic crap and should be banished. Ultimately it comes down to the men though, kill the demand and these women would be wasting their time, but it takes one man to turn traitor to ruin the whole system.
Carter Diaz
Everyone has to give me sex if I desire it.
Nathaniel Walker
lol ok, and what do you do for a living?
Carson Perez
fashion
Austin Rodriguez
hollywood
Bentley Hall
War on incels is coming. Virgins, your days are numbered>>2541735
Caleb Allen
Sex is a luxury and that's why sex work has no place in socialism. Next thing feminists will be rallying for the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧diamond🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 industry and calling for te the protection of deboers jewelers Union
Caleb Bell
prostitution is bad. it's wage labor anyways so there's no reason why it would exist after capitalism.
Jordan Taylor
you make this sound very erotic user.
Cameron Hall
Why is prostitution worse than any other service industry? Are they also not non-productive, and do the wage laborers who toil in them not also do it out of bare necessity?
Easton Bell
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There are plenty of sex workers who are actually into the occupation, and prefer it to a wage slave factory/burger flipping job. However, the majority only turn to it because of capitalist exploitation, and either would not have any interest in it otherwise, or would not take up the "occupation". In both cases it is capitalist hypocrisy to leave it banned under capitalism, and thus we should fight to legalize it.
Regardless, prostitution ,as it commonly exists will be abolished under socialism, as the "pimp" or "madame" are the bourgeoisie (outside of rare cases of fetish indulgence). Even so, there will be those who do want to participate in "sex work", and I don't see why they couldn't organize themselves into cooperative brothels/unions.
Nope. Most doms are into it on some level, though they might not get off at the same intensity their clients do; it is more of a hobby by which they sustain themselves. It's only fin doms who aren't into it at all.
Jaxon James
Your "voluntary sex workers" are petty booj chauvinist idiots who don't give a damn for the vast majority of prostitutes who are simply sex slaves.
Jaxon Cox
No matter your industry you're compelled to work by material conditions you fucking goober. We must work or we'll starve
Matthew Morales
am I wrong? Sex surrogacy already exist. You just train them to do that instead. Then at least their work has therapeutic value. Seems simple enough to me.
Joseph Ward
I don't see how I said otherwise? An upper middle class individual is driven to work by his materialist conditions, but said materialist conditions are not the same as a poor miner.
Voluntary sex workers ABSOLUTELY stand in solidarity with people who don't want to be in the trade. They might be cucked with some bourg tenancies, but the "libertarian" sex worker is the exception to the rule.
Xavier Evans
well yeah, currently, duh. that doesnt mean that aren't people who genuinely get off on performing for an audience, or being someones mistress, and those are the people that will continue to exist after capitalism is abolished, which was my point
