Aside from "shit that I don't like", what do the words "Idealism", "Utopian", "Reactionary", and "Revisionism" mean?

Impressive.

you and your ilk prove marx was correct everytime you come here with these smug gommies btfo 'arguments'

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What

when that happens the world will degrade into a planet of the ape global Brazil fam and all proper complex industrialized society will collapse

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You're objectively, factually incorrect about "race" and Autism Level.
polanon, what would you do if when gene editing became commonplace, it turned out niggers were actually even more different from whites than you had thought, but that their intrinsically different genetic codebase made a slight tweak possible turning them into savants ten times smarter than any white?
and this only works for racially pure black africans, no light-skinned ""african"" americans.
like this but with your eternal racial nemesis instead of men vs women
jacobitemag.com/2018/01/29/knowing-ones-place/
think it thru

No.
Is a philosophical position that states that thought proceeds the material.
Comes from Marx's critique of early socialists who believed that socialism could come about through starting prefigurative communities and convincing capitalists of the utility of a socialist society in lieu of class struggle.
Is someone who resists social or economic progress in favor of a return to the status quo ante.

really makes me thunk

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this is like mostly wrong, my dude. the words "idealist" and "utopian" don't mean the same thing for marxists as they do in everyday conversation

A kind of monism, where the "one world" is equal to that of the mind. Not object oriented, not materialist. In common usage, someone who thinks that political ideal > practical reality.
Mostly used as a slur to denote someone who does not think through the practical aspects of a political ideal. So related to idealist.
Basing your critique of society on trying to undo a change by trying to go back to an imagined past. Undialectical; you cannot undo the course of history, you can never go back.
Trying to substitute your own ideas for existing canon.

fam if the average nigger really was a savant I wouldn't hate them, obviously, but I will hold my breath until your LITERAL magic sci Fi tech comes true

what does "proceeds the material" mean.
or if you meant 'precedes',
what does "precedes the material" mean

Gene editing is in the near future, user.

disinterest in the practical application of politics

retard, usually anarkiddie

desire to return to the status quo ante

"shit that I don't like"

I did. My b. It means that idealism maintains that consciousness is a precondition for material phenomena -life is primarily conceptual as opposed to material. So in a sociological sense it means that ideas organize society thus shaping our material world. A materialist view would be that our ideas on how to organize ourselves come from our existing material conditions.

This is embarassing please stop posting.

The article you cited isnt even talking about a real thing thats happening.

That just makes me more confused, literally nobody believes that material reality magically appears because someone had an idea to.

Of course not. It was a horror short, but based on real near future tech.

Feels over reals. Anytime you start talking about imaginary or symbolic things without appreciating their relationship to the real.
The idea you can develop “socialism” within capitalism. Not recognizing the goal of “communists” should be the ruthless critique and destruction of capitalism
Wanting to “reverse” the “progress of history” which assumes some sort of linear progression of history (which is silly) and then assumes that progress can be reversed. This is interesting because things can change in a direction which we think is “backwards” but acting as though history actually has a direction is idealist.
Going against some point Marx made.

Of course they don't because that's ridiculous. An idealist position would maintain that the mind principally shapes our perception of the material phenomena that does appear.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/idealism/#Int

It is nothing more than a magic phrase pretty much every time you see it used. I’ve never read Hegel tho so I couldn’t give you the legit definition if there is one at all.

This can be one or both, in a way, of two things.
There's just general idealistic goals, as in one strives for the perfect version of something, and then there's philosophical idealism. The latter school of thought is the antithesis to materialism, they are are interested in a world of intelligible cognition instead which they percieve as prior to the material world. For examples think Plato, Hegel, Aquinas, etc. Modern examples would be Laine Craig and Jay Dyer.
Essentially just a person with unrealistic goals.
Someone who's ideology only exists against something else, for instance, fascist ideology only exists against communism, lay conservatism only exists against things they deem "progressive" if those are taken from the equation the original ideologies collapse.
This is the practice of trying to alter previously existing theory, there are good and bad kinds. Lenin's revisions to Marx add the idea of imperialism, whereas revisionists in the Soviet government post-Stalin and in China added market ideology.

Utopianism is the idea of societal change without underlying historico-material changes. The flipside of utopianism is dystopianism of course. Ever notice how 1984, Brave New World, Handmaid's Tale, etc. never actually offer a coherent explanation of how their worlds got so fucked up? It's because it's an inherently undialectical outlook.

No, it's ok to go against Marx if you have a Marxist explanation of why you have to do it. It's not ok to lie about what Marx actually said, which is what revisionists do.

You're using the colloquial definition of utopian which doesn't really apply to the critique of utopianism that Marxists abide by. You're also doing the same thing with reactionary. The colloquial understanding of the word as simply a reaction to something else doesn't have anything to do with how the term is used in poli sci and in leftist circles.

A'ight, pozz me on that definition then, happy to learn.

Utopian: Stems from Marx's critique of early socialists who eschewed class struggle and basically believed that socialism would be brought down from on high by benevolent capitalists

Reactionary: somebody who wishes to return to the status quo ante

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Thanks, desu

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so like the feminists who think female rulers would fix everything?

yes to both of these. I feel like this thread was made about my other post where I was called idealistic and reactionary. Idealism basically states that ideas have a special primacy before material things. Materialist assert that mind is matter and cannot escape the determinations of matter. I am not quite in either camp. If mind is matter than matter is mind and we get some sort of Spinozist plane of immanence fuckery.

You know, that's funny, because they used to e.g. Berkeley who said it was all God's idea.

Believing in ideals and not just material reality. Contrary to marxist orthodoxy, not a bad thing.
Aspiring to an unrealistic political or social end-goal. Closely tied to idealism and also a major trait of marxists, the irony of which is often lost on them.
Yeah this one you got right.

To expand on

Lets take Kant's idealism. The basic thought is actually pretty obvious, which is that we, as humans, do not have unmediated (direct) access to the material world. Everything gets filtered through our consciousness. So whatever it is that is actually out there (the external world) is inaccessible to us, and any knowledge we have of it comes only through an intermediary (our senses, rational faculties etc.).
For Kant, this means that there MUST be items already in place which structure our perception of the world. Kant sees time, space, and the categories (the structures we fit to our raw sensory experience that allows us to cognize them them) as being those items.
So in that sense, we structure our world, it is not given to us. This is what it means to have thought precede the material.

This is the briefest possible overview and there's a lot I left out. But to get at how Marx gets materialism out of (in Marx's case Hegel's not Kant's) idealism, check out plato.stanford.edu/entries/ludwig-feuerbach/

This is a good example of a word that retards throw around without knowing its meaning.
"The masses" are not lumpen, they are workers.

It's a philosophy that posits the mind/soul/whatever makes the world, instead of the actual world being real.
It can also refer to being unrealistic. People that think "Proles are x", actually, people that generally think "y is x" tend to be idealists. They are constantly and consistently unrealistic. I remember a "new form of communism" thread that was a prime example of this. The plan was to have everyone strike and lobby the government, magically manifesting socialism.
If you want the bourgeois to just give over their property, you would be called a utopian by Marx. Rightfully so, as a utopian is someone who, again, engages in unrealistic thinking, but now with lofty goals in mind.
Advocating for the regression of society.
Working against the progression of socialism/communism. You are revising it by doing so, thusly you are a revisionist.
sage because OP is obviously retarded

if you just read some ML literature rather than bitch about people who did you might find out for yourself

nice try /pol

you nazis are so obvious, go back to /T_D

He categorized them as "dumb" , such characteristic is inherent to the lumpen.

I even said that I am not a marxist and posted a picture of D'Annunzio, the hell are you on.

I know that porky means police and spook is a racial epithet for black people.

lurk more fag

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good thread.

< The ideal situation socially and economically. The perfect, absolutist embodiment of a political theory
< A beautiful, perfect society, that has nothing bad and everyone is equal. The opposite of dystopian which would be nightmarish. Utopian is good.
< Too late to the party. When people have reactionary ideals, they don't actually value anything as a principle. They are simply making a rash decision to benefit them in the short run. The creation of the marine corps in 1775 is reactionary; it was a solution to problematic military intervention.

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the same damn thing, if you ask me

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Truly, a fine example of der uebermensch.

The Black Panther Party successfully targeted lumpenproles for mass recruitment.

The idea that reality is shaped by human consciousness and belief and not the other way around.
Means the same to us as it does to everyone else.
People who want to 'rewind' society and return to a previous state of political, cultural and economic affairs. The far left considers this to be a nonsensical idea that violates causality.
Radical ideology that originates in Marxism, but deviates from its fundamental tenants. This is not to be confused with ideas that develop from Marxism in new ways, but do not violate its central points, like Zizek's works.

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Believing in something without having an empirical or scientific basis for said belief.
In a marxist context, this would mean either believing that socialism/communism can be developed through reform within a capitalist system, or believing that you can instantly jump to a stateless, classless society from capitalism.
The antonym of "revolutionary". A reactionary is someone who espouses the beliefs of, or advocates the return to a previously-existing social and/or economic order. Something that is distinctly attached to a previously-existing order is reactionary.
Making revisions of Marxist theory.

Also, is that Alan Moore in OP's pic?

There is no contradiction between materialism and idealism.

That's not what idealism is.

That's how Georges Politzer defines it, but I guess you must know better.

Lumpen have far more revolutionary potential today than at Marx' time.