The right is going to implode

the right won't implode, if anything, the stronger the left gets, the more united the right gets. The differences between a facist, clerical, and conservative regime are fairly slim in comparison to the differences between MLs, Maoists, Social Democrats, and Anarchists.

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Ancoms, MLs and all the other things still have a very similar ultimate goal, with differing means, the right is just completely different.I can't see any common ground apart from reaction between a libertarian and a fascist.

You're forgetting the libertarian free market people. Quite a lot of the right have moved there because it is the most contrarian when compared to what mainstream liberalism presents itself as.

That sounds like actually doing something though… me no likey.

The altright is fucking dead as hell, but being a basic bitch conservative and republican will live on. About half of white millennials are Republicans after all.

It's great being non-sectarian.

Wow I didn't know this was the left?

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we'll implode right after the very last of you disgusting baboons is on a monkey boat full steam ahead going back to your jungle shithole homeland

And then when you're in Chaos fighting each other we will swim back over.

This. Here in Burgerland the neo-Nazis I've seen that are still sticking their heads in the open are either dumb as hell or have a death wish. Most are going to ground, a few have fled the country and quite a few have switched cities and/or states to lay low. Shit is seriously bad for them and there's a lot happening under the radar that isn't getting in the press.

As far as the right goes generally, I dunno. They're ostensibly "in power" in the U.S. but it feels like a weak, tottering regime and I don't know what will come after. That's why Americans are acting so stupid and crazy (at least more than normal). I still think the pendulum rule of politics applies and it will swing back to the "left" in a sense.

I think the right has generally been the more powerful force in the U.S. since Reagan but that has caused them to become lazy and un-disciplined, and they don't have any ideas except "build a wall" which is a McGuffin. You'll hear on the right how they're "building the wall" when it's a $70 million, 20-mile stretch along a border that is 1,200 miles long – like Russia's western border from the Gulf of Finland to the Black Sea.

When unions were strong and the left had the momentum, this sharpened the right and disciplined them.

Unfortunately, as ideological capitalists, their differences don't really matter. They are all useful idiots for the same neoliberal hegemony that doesn't give a fuck about them, and in the first world the lack the balls to commit to direct action, due to conservatives' obsession with respectability politics.
Just look at the "anticommunist" movement, it has always been a hug box for ethnonationalists and other hypocritical tyrants, and they enjoy a degree of mainstream acceptance because capitalism will endorse any ideology that tolerates its existence. When lolberts become aware of this contradiction, they tend to embrace it.

COMMUNIST 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧BERNIE SANDERS🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 HERE REMINDING YOU TO VOTE FOR 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧HILLARY CLINTON🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧!

I'll try that again:
COMMUNIST [[[BERNIE SANDERS]]] HERE REMINDING YOU TO VOTE FOR [[[HILLARY CLINTON]]]!!!!

t. increasingly nervous leftie cuck

You got to admit that the altright is losing traction in the states.

It never had traction, it's a fad for narcissistic manchildren that think offending someone is an intellectual checkmate, the kind of people that think South Park reached its peak a few years ago.

don't tell me you fell for the Zig Forums helped get trump elected meme

What IS the left?

Definitely not anyone who supported Obama, that's for sure.

The "right" itself actually isn't really imploding, just the Trump/memeshit aspect of it. They all thought he was some ultimate godsavior who would make everything perfect (like libs did with Obama), and he predictably turned out to just be another neocon. After he's done his term(s) they'll just latch on to something more insane.

Only partially. Initially they'll be disoriented by power, but ultimately they'll work things out. Look at how Trump got his tax cuts through, the entire right could agree on that. Same for the tariffs, despite the ups and downs it's only proceeding in one direction: towards a full trade war. As time goes on populists like Trump will gradually be supplemented and then replaced by the old traditional right, usually a mix of economic nationalists and religious nutballs. Micheal Pence perfectly embodies this.

In Europe though, things are different. All they have to do is keep blaming the Europhile conservatives and intimidating them to get a Euro referendum in their countires, and then win that. If they can do that they can then quickly assume total power on a NutSac platform as a defacto one party state. Either that or the Europhiles will keep holding everything back until military officers have their pensions cut, which is when they align with the NutSacs and form a junta.

They're ascendant, except maybe in the UK but only because Brexit is already going to happen in some form and only because the Tories refuse to embrace Brexit.

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They’ll attempt to move onto Cultural Marxism as their next opponent in an attempt to keep themselves united. The right can only use liberalism for so long, and if they CAN make Karltural Marxism a “legit” threat they’ll stay united for a while. But there’s hope of fracturing, particularly related to bootlickers who realize just how shit things would be if Fascists or AnCaps took power

The left is sectarian enough already without including random liberals and other rightists.

Well the Alt Right, and other explicitly-fascist reactionary ideologies are on their last legs, but neoconservatism is just as popular as ever, and in fact its popularity is surging in the UK and other parts of Europe. At the same time neocons are becoming more authoritarian and more reactionary in both their rhetoric and actions.

Think big picture and look back at the votes in the Senate, the more powerful of the two chambers.

Reagan tax cuts of 1981: 80 (yes) to 14 (no).

Bush tax cuts of 2001: 58 (yes) to 33 (no).

Trump tax cuts of 2017: 51 (yes) to 48 (no).

Popular vote percentages for GOP presidents during re-election have also been falling since Nixon in 72 (60%), Reagan in 84 (58.8%), Bush in 04 (50.7%). Elections go back and forth but long-term the right's ability to shove its policies through are deteriorating, which is why there's this increasing temptation to flirt with the far right, and autocratic politics, because they know the window is getting smaller. The alt-right, while stupid in a lot of ways, sees this clearer I think than a lot of the MAGApede types who only exist to trigger duh libs.

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I would contest this, as an ML I've had very decent discussions with almost every ideology on the left.

It would change nothing. Not fundamentally. Because there will always be some "other" to rally against. Liberals, socialists, Muslims, migrants, feminists, jews, etc. Mainstream-populist "rightism" isn't a coherent (ideological) position. Instead it thrives purely on rallying against some alien "other" that's otherwise "corrupting" a perfect system.
Of course NutSac and lolbergs are incompatible, but that doesn't matter. In fact, both are founded - first and foremost - on protecting the interests of private capital, which provides a bridge no matter how contradictory their particular idpol positions may be.
As for the proletarian elements: They have always been discarded after they outlived their usefulness, this is nothing new. It happened with blue collar Republicans under Reagan, just as it did with the SA in 1934. But neither shattered the populist-rightists resolve, in fact: it strengthened it.
After Charlotsville there may be the impression that the right is on it's last legs, but that ignores new trends and narratives. For the stage is already being set for the next "other".
Even if Trump were impeached today, the Dems would rally people against "foreign interference" or some other inane imaginary enemy, which would be used to shut down reform, and crush proletarian movements, just as is happening today.
No. The biggest impediment to the left is it's own sectarian fits. See

And also this. The overton window has shifted while mainstream leftism remained fixed on fascist excesses. Social security, public healthcare and labor rights are being dismantled even in those countries run by "progressives". Macron is a neolib, just as Merkel is. "Conservative populists" like Orban are little better.

You're implying that Dems somehow aren't onboard with neoliberal policies. When their voting record clearly shows otherwise.
Dems generally just want to keep the system running, while for the GOP it's a race to the bottom. Their differences are over how to best exploit the working class, not whether it should be happening to begin with.

Just take a look at what they've been focusing on for the past two years: Russia. They've been using hysterical neo-McCarthyism to slander their detractors. Cracking cracking down on independents, Bernie was denounced, etc. Of all things they could focus on during the midterms, they're still fixated on idpol and Russia. And it's by design.
Trump is an easy target because he's an embarrassing figurehead. Not because he's an enemy of the working class. The Wall and Russiagate are the new abortion/gay marriage. An easy way to distract the masses from the issues that actually matter to their material conditions.

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Sadly, and very much so, this.

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wtf i love dialectics now

The modern Left thinks they are the vanguard of the revolution, while they are being led by geriatric women in America and cynical kleptocrats in Europe. Meanwhile the Political Right while being largely traditionalist and corporately minded has embraced beliefs of individualism coupled with the full throated collective rage of the working underclass to make a true hell on Earth.

Lets be real here. The people shrieking about white privilege on college campuses are not working class, or even poor. They are actually wealthy entitled assholes being given an education that amounts for an entire years wage of a working class person. Every semester. Not every year. Every semester. These are not oppressed people. These are the privileged people pretending to be oppressed. The Political Right has realized this. The Political left has not. Add to this the toxic racial politics of claiming everyone in the world has the "right" to enter western countries and be granted gibs, and you got a serious fucking problem.

Also add into SJWs. I remember someone mentioning the flat earth thing became more prominent after some trolls interacted with some idiots on the internet who by saying the earth was flat and "proved" it by saying all of the tin foil hat crap that the flat earthers use to justify their insane beliefs which in turn revived the modern day flat earth societies we see

I mention this because I have a hunch that the same tactic was used with making the "SJW Menace". They probably exaggerated the bias that was out there and as a result, we have SJWs. I think this was done either to destabilize or discredit the social justice movement.

Also despite how much SJWs have been talked about online, they have no actual power.

America just wrecking ball'd health insurance policy that people called socialism because it forced them to buy insurance from private insurance companies. No one is answering the unfunded liability bomb accruing in the SS/MEDI-sphere, military spending is robust as ever, key research is being gutted, about the only welfare that is poised to expand in then next few years is the corporate welfare granted to businesses through tax expenditures by the government to cover tax cuts for firms. Insane trannies are not signs of Reds taking over America. But they have been used to cause people getting into the Right, like DailyWire which is full of Neocons.

Also you have libertarians who have made it so that people think they can be free if they are Right-wing. Out of everyone they are truly the most evil lot. They wish to value freedom so high, yet allow it to be commodified on the free market. No asset is greater than owning another individual's freedom as capital. The endgame of Libertarianism is monopolistic Neo-Feudalism: one individual lording over all other individual serfs.

This post isn't making any sense, since all of us have our own separate groups. The more you leftards fuel this shit, the more we take shots at you. If we have nothing else to do, then we'll go out and redpill normies to actually achieve our goals. I'm an AnCap so i talk to people about the benefits of capitalism, voluntarism, and decentralization.

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Neither are you or any other faggot on this board.

This whole SJW thing is the biggest hock of bullshit. Yeah, they exist at a tiny handful of liberal arts colleges but the vast majority of American students are playing beer pong and vidya. This isn't even a new propaganda line. You can go back to the 1980s and 1990s and see the same right-wing media sources decrying out-of-control lefty students on college campuses.

Storytime: Been out of college several years and was sitting in a cigar bar puffing on a cheap Nicaraguan when I heard a young college guy with a fashy haircut, drunk, ranting to an older man (who was sympathetic) about the out-of-control SJWs on the campus. His evidence? Posters for an LGBT group. Because that made him feel "unwelcome" as a straight white man. It's bullshit. It's crap.

True, but that's a larger problem with the right where the traditional right is almost totally discredited. Nobody gives a shit about gay marriage or abortions anymore, Trump himself had a gay man speak at the RNC. The alt-right exists as a reactionary movement aimed at preserving nationalist bourgeoisie power and preventing a leftist takeover. This wouldn't be half the problem it if if the modern left wasn't full of backstabbing neoliberals constantly thwarting everything. Any Democrat other than Hilary could have won, yet they still tried it because the establishment left has been completely subverted by the globalist bourgeoisie, and likewise Democrats could easily regain their supermajority IF they promoted economic protectionism which Trump does (it is telling that Trump/alt-right uses an otherwise left economic policy as the foundation of their movement).

It's a strategy that works. Figure that IF the right can hold onto what they currently have they'll have an unbreakable majority despite not having the popular vote. Much of the left has outright given up trying to talk to voters outside their coastal enclaves, creating a situation where society polarizes and Republicans rule as a one party state as they did in the nineteenth century. Consensus is breaking down, and this is exactly the space where it becomes easy for policies like voter IDs, raising the voting age to 21, locking down schools and similar become practically feasible. Figure that at the very least the right already has a lock on the Supreme Court for another thirty if not forty years, while the imminent Janus decision will rape the remaining unions. Despite losing the popular vote the right is holding on just fine.

And likewise much of this happens because neoliberalism has been discredited as well, people in swing states won't vote for it. It's continued promotion is killing the left in general, and the establishment left refuses to move away from it because they only care about promoting global capitalism. This is a losing platform in most of the country except large cities, though I expect when another recession happens most people will side with the nationalist bourgs and nuke the neolibreals out of power. Either that or they become totally irrelevant.

It has slightly more credibility when there is a very real movement in colleges to ban criticism of Israel, a thing that is spearheaded by Dianne Fienstien (the #2 Democrat) and her husband who is a UC Regent. And on the topic of UCs, most students did not show solidarity in the recent adjunct strike and with the Janus decision it is likely the schools' various unions will get blown the fuck out by the neoliberal state government, which students will cheer because it will push off tuition increases for a few years. There is also is the whole student gun control movement promoted by the media, which will be nothing more than a means to lock down all schools across America and crush all student activism.

That's not to say it's an SJW angle per se but there is a major problem with students getting their politics from the media and not from books or history. People are spending their time demanding the government turn their schools into prisons with checkpoints and armed guards, rather than demanding classes that actually prepare teens for real jobs (instead of forcing them into expensive colleges).

In the sense of things not being united on the right – that I agree with. I was witnessing a hard-edged libertarian / an-cap guy (one who definitely does not talk to cops) out some Nazis who've been causing some problems in my community recently. I thought that was admirable of him.

I agree with a lot of that. But the fact that the right is resorting to voter ID, trying to raise the voting age, gerrymandering, etc. is not a sign of the right's strength – it shows that the right can only really govern through increasingly autocratic and minoritarian policies. Jury's out on how long they can keep this up, and they might be able to keep it up for awhile, but they're having to do that precisely because "any Democrat other than Hillary could have won" as you put it. While the right seems to be at its greatest strength, it's paradoxically quite weak. In the U.S., their only real policy accomplishment is the tax cuts, which barely passed the Senate. The border wall is a McGuffin – it's basically fictional. And the right is hardly united on this protectionist shift. I think the right is being whipped to and fro by its own contradictions.

On Zig Forums I either pose as a lolbert and call nazis crypto communists and point out hitler's socdem policies or pose as a nazi and call lolberts crypto kikes (rand, rothbard, mises were all jews).

When I went to college, I was sort of surprised by how conservative the environment actually is. I wasn't even a STEMlord either. Most of the professors were liberals but many were probably more conservative than they admitted to being and it seemed to me that the professors were to the "Left" of the student body!

Yep. In my experience, the professors were with few exceptions largely *apolitical* – and while they certainly feared offending people it was fear of offending anyone generally. I met one actual Marxist professor the whole time (philosophy department) and she was extremely cagey about talking about her politics. The student government was largely future-Republicans-of-America types. The student newspaper was edited by the daughter of a right-wing org / fundraising outfit that was tied up with the oil industry, though things have gotten more left-wing there since Trump got elected.

There were no left-wing student groups at all. I think there is now, though, with Democrat Cops of America and such.

The most radical stuff I encountered in my classes was in African-American history, for obvious reasons. And that was just the facts of the history and the reality. The professor himself was hardly Angela Davis but he was unapologetic re: the Black Panthers.

I really think a lot of the diversity & inclusion stuff happening at colleges is simply a response to get a bunch of shithead students in their late teens and early 20s to not be so goddamn racist – like a bare minimum of decency which they will need if they hope to operate in the world and in their careers where they're going to have to work with a lot of different people, and not the other shithead racist kids they grew up around in their hometowns. Though there's also an element of administrative ass-covering involved in it, too. The little "SJW" stuff I saw was not coming from the students but from the administration and administrative bodies such as "Student Life" programs.

doubtful. the right doesn't care about economics.

not a single one of those people gives a single fuck about economics, just muh muslims and socialists/liberals/blacks. and jews based on how reactionary they are.

not a single one of them could give a shit or even spends half a second to read about economics, they are a tool of the bourgouise for that very reason

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Also, if anything the left is imploding by getting even more desparate to try to discredit us right wingers. We live in an echo chamber of uncomfortable truths and you live in and echo chamber of comforting lies. If you comfort some low Autism Level hood nigger and tell him that he can be smart enough to be a doctor or engineer even though he can't even read in coherent sentences, we'll be there to step in and say no he cannot and prove our claims with statistics on Autism Level and race.

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capitalism has no benefits you literal tard. read a fucking book and actually learn what it means for workers to own the means of production. or kill yourself.

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youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg&t=7s here you go, how about you actually learn what marxism is before calling it retarded. its not what you think it is btw, its not everyone getting paid the same and big gubberment choosing your jobs and "sharing everything"

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Spoken like a true leftard.

brainlet

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ahahahah. capitalism isn't "free exchange". its the private ownership over the means of production with imperialism being its last stage. the fact you think "trade" is capitalism shows just how fucking stupid you are, you don't belong here go back to Zig Forums you literal child

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Ah the old classic "Capitalism is responsible for war" trick. I think the problem is with governments and imperialism and not an economic system that lets people earn wealth.

Oh and communists were imperialist too. Remember the soviet afghan war when commies got ass raped by Taliban niggers hiding in the hills, sniping their heads off?

and before you post some more stupid shit
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1. the soviet union was not imperialist, imperialism is not "going to war".
2. with a system of capitalism in place and the private ownership of the means of production the bourgouise of the nations need to expand their declining profits due to the internal contradictions of capital and thats when you get imperialism.

like i said, learn the slightest bit about marxism before coming here

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The left is a spook as a concept, but the right is not.

What a fucking meme

Uhhh I graduated college last year. SJWs absolutely 100% run that shit.

I would be impressed if I didn't hate them

Are you a burger?

I had a professor who openly declared that she "Had a problem with white men attaining institutional power" and she would actually mark your papers if it wasn't supportive of socialism

This was not that unusual either

yes I'm in Chicago

Bullshit. Show me your school.

Yeah I'm not throwing you a link to my college but it was an international divinity college and I went for business

Every professor made sure to interject some SJW talking points into every fucking topic. Feminism/white privilege theory/toxic masculinity. The whole nine yards.

I took an international communications course in 2014 and half of the class was just studying white privilage theory. We did all of these exercises where the white people wrote down things that they perceived as being "privilaged".

The teacher was an Indian with a millionaire parent in a room full of working class white people. She openly declared she had never worried about money a day in her life and smirked, but then told a story about how some "racist white man" got in her face at a wedding and became violent or some shit.

She began sobbing.

These are just examples off the top of my head, this shit was constant all the way through.

Can you come up with a better story next time.
Like, for example if you leave out the smirk part.
Or change it from "white guy at wedding"
To "white guy at bar/super market/street"

How do I know you're not making shit up?

That kind of zionist censorship is mainly targeted at actual leftists though. Most of the aut right is zionist themselves, even the antisemites.

Seems utterly credible.

Uhhh have you attended university anytime since 2013? This is not an uncommon story or scenario. I actually find this thread confusing since people are claiming that "SJWs aren't real!" and stuff like that. It is the dominant presence of many universities

and yes, she literally smirked after saying that. She thought it was cute or something.

Well I don't know what you want to prove it. It happened, but this is an anonymous message board so you'll have to take my word for it. That particular event happened at a place called "College of Lake County", which wasn't nearly as bad as the college I transferred to right after that.

Stealing peoples businesses, portfolios, and superannuation funds? It's no wonder socialism is so unpopular.

I'm glad.

The definition of imperialism is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force. The USSR started the soviet afgan war in the 80's, the USSR tried to invade finland in the late 30's and on multiple accounts, the USSR kept fucking with ukraine over crops. How the fuck can you say that capitalism is imperialist, but when i point out that communism is imperialist, you just dismiss it with "oh, imperialism doesn't mean going to war"? The USSR wanted to grab land and expand it's regime to coercion and intimidation.

No, we maximize profits through trade and investing, not by fucking up other countries. What the fuck are you talking about? All wars start with political dogma coming from the government, not capitalism.

*through coercion and intimidation

Any days now.

Can you prove to me how trading and investment kills people?

All of those mainstream groups are - in some way or another - founded on protecting private property, and smashing organized labor - black or white. If they're not - or have second thoughts - they're ruthlessly purged once the anti-socialist oligarchic elements are in power.
This happened with the SA in Germany, Iron Guard in Romania, Falange under Franco, integralists in Brazil, Syndicalists after Mussolini's takeover, blue collar Republicans during the 1980s, Jobbik in Hungary, Russian ultranationalists under Putin, and now the Magatards following the election.
Places like Zig Forums, stormfront and others are vehemently anti-union, anti-minimum wage, anti-regulation and in favor of tax cuts. Even if it hurts the white working class.
There was a thread the other day where they were bashing the truck drivers in Brazil for striking and blaming "socialism". It was the same with the teacher strike earlier this year. In another thread here a lolberg referred to the poor working class as "parasites", "retards" and "freeloaders".
You're not "redpilling" anyone. You're just a useful idiot. And as correctly pointed out, if your ideas were ever come to fruition, it would lead to neo-feudalism, and not some "free" small business utopia.

Exploitation often comes with brutality: From strike breakers to colonial massacres. Capitalism isn't the "free exchange of goods", it's a mode of production where those that own the MoP exploit the surplus labor of those that don't. Without this, businesses couldn't be profitable.
Consent changes nothing about the nature of exploitation.

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People are anti-union because union charges fees and up regulations which make people harder to find job. Unions are massively corrupted and self-serving.

Democrats are SJWs and they have power, without them stupid shit like gay rights, gay marriage and tranny bathrooms would not come to being.

Oh no god forbid there are regulations like the 8 hour week, redundancy payments and health insurance…

Or if you do not want that job, do not sign to it.

No work, no exploitation. Freedom, baby.

People on Zig Forums and stormfront are largely anti-union because they think unions are "anti-white", a tool by the "freeloaders" and "elites" to destroy and subvert their idyllic petite bourgeois existence.
It's why they cheer on robbing working class whites of health insurance, or support tax cuts that - as a side effect - inevitably end up aiding those jewish bankers they despise so much.
Now considering their class interests, I'd argue this isn't entirely unwarranted. Worker rights end up hurting the petite-bourgeois more so than the large corporations, who have the economies of scale to still turn a profit even in the face of mandatory health insurance, minimum wage hikes, safety regulations or work week reductions. That's not to say it's desirable to them, but they can survive it.

For the petite just about able to carve out a passive income, these regulations are crushing. And case in point: The majority of small business owners in America oppose Obamacare.
cnbc.com/2017/05/05/why-60-percent-of-small-business-owners-want-obamacare-repealed.html
archive.fo/KYMf8

? Well in my country bruv, all that shit is standard: precisely because the unions and the labour movement fought for it. Unions have served my family well: they've fought for my dad's pension, they provided him legal support when he needed it and they helped him through his redundancy. It's easy to say they're shit when you've never needed their help.

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Or they are anti-union because unions are corrupted and self serving.

Anti-white too due to affirmative actions.

You are free to die.

Somehow socialist think they are entitled to living then complain when people call them parasites and freeloaders.

This user my dad is white, they served him merely because they were meant to. Two different unions btw.

NO YOU ARE NOT, SATANIST

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Never need union and public healthcare in my life so far.

Unions are a form of taxes and private healthcare is quick and more quality.

Oh right, you're a rich kid who mummy and daddy pays everything for, gotcha…

God only helps those who help themselves, and no, affirmative action is deeply triggering and problematic.

And again, the socialist excuses themselves by pointing out the superiority of others.

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