Be honest, how many of you are this? I dont like idpol because I agree that it consumes leftist issues but I feel like this justification for hating idpol is used by some to ignore important racial issues.
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Brody Peterson
As an ML, a lot of people on this board use anti-idpol as an excuse to be actually bigoted. It isn't even close to just an ML thing.
Bentley Thompson
Its infuriating because identity politics are a real issue. They frequently get pedantic and promote blatant liberalism with no real resolution. However, the issues of the world dont exist in a vacuum. It would be super easy to just see the world as only rich and poor as it would help simplify the leftist cause. But race is huge factor thats intersected between politics and ignoring it, either because of bigotry or a desire for simple and quick revolution, is stupid. Its cancervashit boomer tier, like when they say we live in a post racial society. I honestly thought Zig Forums would be better than this.
Evan Martin
This has been a problem with the board from day one.
"Identity politics", to people who knows how to read, is simply the act of divorcing issues of identity from the class struggle, which invariably ends up benefiting the ruling class. Identity politics can be conservative or liberal in nature, but they are ALWAYS anti-worker.
Somehow this got mangled into "women, blacks, and gays should just shut up and stop talking about issues specific to them".
Landon Long
yeah. idpol to me, the way i encounter it in an american context, happens when you criticize some dickwad centrist liberal who is complicit in why things suck, and the response is "well then you obviously don't want to help minorities because trump." it's condescending and infuriating, and i can empathize with people who eventually decide to say 'fuck it' and go to the right – because while the right is fully of shitty people at least many of them understand themselves to be ideological actors.
at the same time, where i live, it'd be impossible to engage in any kind of left politics without taking race into consideration since the maintenance of white supremacy is a key interest of the people who run shit around here. 'ain't no war but the class war' is a dog that just won't hunt. and left movements have always appealed to the downtrodden. stalin was originally not a marxist but attracted to georgian nationalism given his experiences in an imperial russia where georgian language and culture such as poetry were suppressed. he eventually discovered marxism through that route.
Isaiah White
are gonna crucify me for this but literally the easiest way to rectify the supposed contradiction between intersectionality and class dynamics is just to factor that one can perform a sort of hedonic calculus with intersecting factors of identity. Simply put, some power relations negate others and some reinforce each other. Class identity could be seen as the ultimate example of this, a black man in Amerikkka is actively disadvantaged by the systemic factors of the country, however, if he's a capitalist, that fact of his identity intersects with and largely negates his disadvantage.
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Cooper Mitchell
Why am I ML, because it is the only proven effective revolutionary ideology. Marx and Lenin are always right.
Logan Miller
Do not pretend to be communist. Do not gaslight Zig Forums as "always being problematic". Do not attempt to mask reactionary politics in leftist rhetoric. Shove yourself into the nearest furnace.
Adam Lopez
If you think these are contradictory you're just fucking stupid, sorry.
Eli Hill