Why aren't you vegan yet, Leftypol?

That looks like something Taco Bell would have for a limited time only

Kek I can't wait for you to get depressed and give up after people reflexiely pull the "Yeah but bacon tho" shit and make you mad on purpose. When you're like this from the outset people literally will argue with you just to make you get angry because they don't like that you're trying to tell them what to do. You really must not get out around normal people much if you legitimately think that saying shit like that to people makes them go, "Oh yeah okay sorry dude gonna go get some beefless crumble asap"

Bruv sheep are native to scotland, killing a few is not gonna end the world.

Then you're an cultured faggot get out of burgerstan. Also youndon't even serve it like that.

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Being an inflammatory shitposter IRL will get you friends and ass, speaking from experience here.

Why would you justify the rape and cannibalism of the mentally ill?

Americans are literally uncultured: you do not have a culture.

Because it tastes horrible and meat is good for you in modest portions.
At least I admit it.

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Kek, sheep do not have souls, people do.

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Sure. But Scotland is literally the cesspool of the UK. You're basically the Poland of Western Europe

A culture of anti-intellectual consumerist retards is, strictly speaking, still a culture.

Vegan is a misanthrope

Every time lmao

This isn't even right, Scotland has more folk music, art and literature than say, the west midlands. Also buckfast is good for you you know.

Have you ever tried cooking? I made lentils, tofu, peas and green bean thai stir fry today and god damn was it good.
Enjoy those clogged arteries

Kike on stick get out

Why even live?

A soul is consciousness, don't deny it user.

This is now a vegan cringe thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=nRmUgyjZWps

Then animals have souls, you're vegan, eat a fucking carrot

eat a fucking carrot

youtube.com/watch?v=29-LRuuqFT0

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because it's an asprin for an aneurism. the root problem is the capitalist run meat industry, which a socialist society devoid of consumerism would solve.

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Why would this prevent you from being vegan? The price reduction for food makes the option highly useful for any prol

did you not read what I said. asprin for an aneurism. it makes the problem hurt less but it doesn't address the root cause of it.

>Futility tho
Step up

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7th Day Adventist studies prove there's no such thing.
You mean a whole food vegan diet high in protein, healthy carbs and vitamins?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that some people literally don't give a shit about heart disease or if you think that they're stupid for choosing it? If you think someone is a retard for making a decision you don't agree with it doesn't stop them from doing it.

The fact that you think you speaking ill of people is going to be enough to change them in any way shows you're either a Zig Forums troll or a red liberal, either way you need to talk about capitalism or fuck off

what level of shitposting is this, i'm impressed.

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We shit on Zig Forumstards, we shit on liberals, meattards are no different.

Please, eat more meat, I want to watch you go into cardiac arrest and jiggle around like a bowl of jello.

you literally posted "seventh day adventist studies". that's a shitpost, friend. must be that lack of B12 rotting your brain :^)

Sure but we don't have any illusions that dunking on them will change them in any fundamental way, it's a self-serving act. You literally think that going up to the average person on the street and saying, "Excuse me, one question, why do you hate the Earth and every living being on it you literal piece of human garbage!" is enough to change people's minds

You're also leaving out the fact that veganism, when decoupled from an anti-capitalist line, is literally perfectly consistent with capitalism and if anything encourages capitalists to turn it into a big business all its own, which in the long run would itself probably be bad for the environment

As opposed to wholesome vegan foods, like French fries cooked in peanut oil?

I mean this is the person who keeps saying we have no argument and then resorts to insulting us and saying they'd be fine if we die of heart disease

I don't want to hate all vegans but god fucking damn do they make it difficult. never met a single one that wasn't terminally colon crucified over everything.

Hi OP. My parents are unemployed and I can't work yet because I go to school from 8 to 4, We live on welfare and can only afford shit food, Fuck you with your vegan middle class attitide with your LOLZIES EVERYONE CAN AFFORD IT AND EVERY AREA HAS WAYS TO GET IT XDDDD. Seriously just go away. I also have ehlers-danlos and that is muscular-joint-muscle tissue and I fucking need that shit anyway. Please, Just go away.

Aye m8 i'm a vegan and i agree with u so u don't have to hate us all ;)

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Would you like to critique the findings made by the Adventist Health studies? Please do, I'm intrigued. >B12
So which are you, a skellington or a literal bowl of lard?

>don't have any illusions that dunking on them will change them in any fundamental way
I'm not sure about that. Looking at the, admittedly short term, success of YouTube Atheism, it was pretty much just people dunking on eachother. I don't think do this in PUBLIC would work very well but the online space has very intriguing effects on what exactly functions in discourse.
I'd also contest if veganism can be consistent with capitalism, considering how much porky shills the meat and dairy industry. Vegan production is generally too efficient and low cost all around to offer maximum profit, plus it doesn't get the consumers hooked/ attached to an IV cable.

Here the difference, you have to TRY to make vegetables unhealthy, you literally cannot make meat Cholesterol not harmful.

Having a good time you two? You're circle jerk sounds pretty ecstatic.

What's your average daily food expenditure? I'm 99% certain I could hook you up with a food plan that would be comparable if not cheaper.
What exactly about a joint disorder means you have to eat meat?

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spoiler hello

fucking post them, faggot. enough of these weasel words

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/
Meat is bad for your brain confirmed

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you're an idiot. weasel words is claiming studies exist without citing them.
"Death rates from all cancers was 40% lower for Adventist men and 24% lower for Adventist women
Lung cancer 79% lower
Colorectal cancer 38% lower
Breast cancer 15% lower
Coronary heart disease 34% lower for Adventist men, 2% lower for Adventist women" it says. unsubstantiated. one link is dead, the other flip-flops about "vegans are healthier lul"
"some evidence" it says. it's vague as fuck, and again quibbles about "vegans are healthier lul" without substantiating a single fucking thing. into the trash it all goes.

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15927927/
Meat is actually good for you confirmed.

You really don't understand basic economic principles of capitalism do you?

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The functional members dispersed into other areas of the net when creationists evacuated. The dregs left have festered into a horrible cesspool, I agree, but the overall effect on the internet has been profound, Atheism is so much the default position that rightards converted to Christianity our of sheer contrarianism.

Did you literally just read the "results" column and object to their language?

The benefits touted in this, proteins, vitamins, etc, are all offered in surplus by vegan options without the risk of cholesterol intake at much cheaper prices. Veganism still wins.
Further, one study that doesn't look into long term health outcomes is not that great.

Correction to
This is more valid than I initially thought, as it's not just one study. Regardless it still doesn't talk about long term health risks and rather compares blood syrum risk factors.

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Was this a miss-post? I don't see any insults in the post you're responding to.

those.

That's literally what he's doing. He quoted some shit from the abstract and then didn't go into the methodology at all. It's a fucking confusing post, like, it's a scientific study that lists how it got it's info and he claims it's "vague"
My only explanation is that he just read the abstract/results and sperged out

You want to know why?
THIS is why.

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No but a generalized market in which everyone is forced to enter in order to reproduce their existence is a unique feature of capitalism.

1. This is a complete non argument on the food consumption front
2. I really can't see anything on their that doesn't have a synthetic or plant-based counterpart

Yes, and veganism is not ideal for that scenario as the diet is not as profitable for porky and non-addictive

Your lifestylism is showing. If everyone magically became a vegan the market would adjust.

I’ll go vegan if you can prove I can get the necessary nutrients to maintain my gains.

Theoretically it could, yes. However, it's obviously not what Porky wants, given that they shill meat and dairy so hard.

You essentially just need a positive protein intake, to my knowledge. (I lift for performance, not gains, just HIIT training and shit so I'm not mega read up on bulking praxis) Lentils and Peas have tons of protein and you can supplement with as much soy/pea/rice/hemp isolate as you want without the danger that Whey has (HUGE amounts of cholesterol) hitting your macros on a vegan diet isn't hard.

Don't move the goalposts. Use of animal products is unavoidable in any modern society, at least in the short term. The only exception to this is if you are a primmie and don't care.

Veggie haggis aint even that bad tbh. A bit more carroty.

Porky used to want slavery you stupid fuck, look what happened there. There's a reason capitalism is so much harder to beat than fuedalism and it's because of how relentless it is at adjusting to challenges that don't attack it at a structural level.

Read Marx for fuck's sake, he and Engels literally talk about this shit 100+ years ago

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Slave society is a different mode of production from capitalism. Read Marx.

It will take a long time for these substitutes to be sustainable though. Tallow, for example, is still used as machinery lubricant in some industries because synthetic substitutes are obscenely expensive.
Vegans aren't retarded because meat is harmless and preferable. They are retarded because they are impractical and unwilling to settle for gradual change.

New York profited so much from the South's slaves that most of the state and its polital class viewed itself as honorary confederates.

I was obviously talking about the USA but nice semantics faggot

Cool. BTW what does tallow have to do with you living in logical inconsistency and contributing directly to the the Fallout-esque hell world of tomorrow?

Slave SOCIETY was a different mode of production but capitalism is perfectly capable of incorporating isolated pockets of slave labor into the production process.

And? What does that have to do with Porky being terrified of veganism?

The point was that even if for the moment it doesn't deliver a very high profit to porky once consumer demand shifts porky will find a way to make just as much if not more money off of the new demand as it did on meat and dairy

Again, moving the goalposts. The OP clearly advocated political veganism.
…because the use of animal products is normal? You sound like a New Age alt med retard.

this is why nobody likes vegans

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No it doesn't. Animals aren't humans.

Valid point, I would still argue that a vegan stance is useful to anti capitalism simply because the capitalists don't want it.

Context on the fallout ref since it doesn't seem that you get it. The meat and dairy industry is one of the primary contributers to climate change, you cannot fight climate change without fighting the meat and dairy industry.

That's not at all what the OP argues you complete fucking tard, do you have mad cow disease? Animal products must be abolished because their use is logically inconsistent with any form of ethics that doesn't allow for the rape murder and cannibalism of the mentally ill/children/ justifies Alien holocaust. Further eating meat is hideously unhealthy. To quote

Is the holocaust of the human race by machines morally right?

Capitalists don't want co-ops or universal health care or any of the other shit that Social Democrats always peddle, they still concede to it when they need to to stay in power cuz none of it structurally redistributes power away from the ruling class

Same with veganism

How the fuck does that have anything to do with what I said? Animals aren't human, why would human rights apply to them? Why would the life of an animal be equally important to a human being?

here's the logical outcome of your interjection:
1. you must name the trait that separates humans from animals that justifies murdering them
2. if the trait is species membership then a non-human has the same moral justification to mass slaughter us (holocaust) as we do to animals.

That's not at all the logical outcome, and even if it were true it wouldn't matter because I could just concede that yes, an intelligent non-human could murder us with no moral quandaries. But notice the key word there: intelligent. Ultimately, as far as we know, human beings are the only ones intelligent enough to be capable of being moral actors and thinking about existential matters like "omg I'm penned up in a cage to be slaughtered for food at some undetermined date". That sets us apart from any other animal. Human rights are ultimately based on the assumption of equality, and there is no equality between humans and other animals. Furthermore the idea that a cow would even mind being livestock so long as they have easy access to food and don't live in a stressful environment is just pure projection on our part. Even if you had some ethical concerns for animals, all that would reasonably amount to is preventing mistreatment. There is no reasonable argument against livestock farming itself.

The popular disdain for haggis reveals both the truth of the Japanese saying "The first bite is with the eye" and the culinary ignorance of the masses. While the Scottish national dish is judged on its aesthetics by naysayers, those who taste it are shown that even the most humble of ingredients can become something spectacular. Haggis is one of the few things I genuinely lament I can no longer eat having made the choice to abstain from flesh.

Oh, as a digression: if you think these vegan fuckers are a persistent nuisance to meat eaters, try being openly ovo-lacto-vegetarian. It's literally like having a stamp on your head causing vegans to target you for recruitment. Bloody pests.

Alright, then if species membership and intelligence are the traits that justify murdering animals here are some interesting implications:
1. any non human species with a higher Autism Level than us can murder us at whim or in entirety for pleasure
2. Any human being sufficiently retarded as to be intellectually on the same level as a cow can be raped, murdered, owned as a slave and eaten in any stage of life down to infancy by any person who has either given birth to them or purchased them

If you accept the ethical implications above then yes, you're right. Damn, child sex slaves sure are tasty, their retard brains morally abdicate me of wrong doing.
Oh wait, did I forget to mention climate change and the fact that animal agriculture is one of the largest contributing factors thereto, meaning that carnism has direct harmful impact on non-retard humans? Oh noooooo…

this isn't abotu saving the planet or whatever to you, you just want to be right (on the internet) and smear people you diagree with.

Let's combine ALF with swastikas and persecution of genital mutilators and abortionists but encourage aquaponic fish and backyard chickenry and actual farm milk as the only acceptable forms of animal exploitation.

Join the enlightened and see that the real enemies are carbs from wheat, fruits and artificial sugars. Human diet = lots of fat + meat + cruciferous veggies + a little bit of berries.

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No and no. I know you're desperate to defend your stupid life choices and shoveling them onto other people in order to please your ego, but that doesn't justify acting like a retard. I never stated that those traits are justification for anything, that's just you being intellectually dishonest. Ultimately, any individual human being either has the near potential for abstract thought or moral acts (eg. children), or are at the very least a part of a social group of people who are capable and would have sympathy. The social aspect especially is a big part of most people's aversion to mistreating children and the otherwise vulnerable. While we sometimes extend those feelings to certain animals, most people can still recognise that other people always take priority.
Even if we drop all this pseudo-anthropology bullshit, a hypothetical hyper-intelligent being would still view humans and animals differently. It's not a matter of some arbitrary autism level, it's about the ability to think in an abstract manner and to understand concepts like right and wrong and being able to be a moral actor. In other words, having free will, which is the basic assumption of all ethical systems. A dog can't choose not to eat meat - it just eats - a human can, and a cow is perfectly happy living under conditions that would be a source of mind numbing existential horror for us.

No.

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Quick rundown on what?

Fruitarian or GTFO, plant killer.

Then name the trait that if present in animals would justify the extension of human rights.
Read an ethics textbook, please, I beg you.
Aaaaaand we're back to raping retarded people and children under 5.
Free will doesn't exist, good Christ into materialism for five seconds or stop posting on a materialist board.
Moral patients exist, ethics textbook, now.

Succan, I've never heard of this. Is it where you get all your protein from cum? If so, based.

Plants aren't capable of a subjective experience, fruitarianism is hideously unhealthy, don't fucking do that.

are 2 different statements merged into one, you sneaky snake

Also,
t. American Heart Association, funded by Kellogs

amazed at your shitposting skills

You've never heard of succan? You don't know what it is?