Marxism is not a materialism

Why do some say communism is empirical or materialist view of economics when it's actually based on an idealist hegelian philosophy? Marx never observed communism in action, there was no empirical analysis of how it operates or how to achieve it or what it's outcomes are. It is a hypothesis and speculative endeavour about a possible arrangement of economic and social relations…It hopes on a good outcome but only in the idealist sense.
Why is it categorized differently?

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define materialism

The OP is sufficient to draw out the meaning

You confuse marxism with communism and appear to have no idea what either of them mean, nor do you seem to understand what materialism or idealism mean. Your premise is entirely based on misapprehension and ignorance of the subject matter so you're going to have to do a bit of re-assessment. My hope is you will endeavour to at least look up the relevant terms and concepts and won't do the silly thing whereby you retain your preconceived notions and desperately attempt to fit square pegs into round slots with your new found knowledge.

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It is actually empiricism which lends itself to idealism far more than Marxist epistemology; the former takes given concrete axioms as being eternal and from there, hypotheses are made to be tested against the 'facts'. Marxism does not introduce new empirical claims but instead criticises the assumptions which are made and the categorisations of sense data rather than empirical trends within it. See PDF related for a general overview.

This.

Also marxism is an analysis of capitalism and class. It is not communism.

I'm not talking about it's negative critiques, I'm talking about it's positive claims, solutions, it's normative economic idealism.

The 'positive solutions' are matters of praxis, and praxis is specific to concrete circumstances. There are overarching themes to the praxis purely because there are overarching themes to capitalism, but we don't say that we plan for anything other than overcoming class society when we're dealing generally with capitalism. What are we to do in particular nations, for example, when what nations do is itself changing?

imagine i came to a chess club and started telling everyone there that knights can knock out multiple pieces in one move since horses can run extended distances and that castles can't move because buildings are stationary. No one would take me seriously or engage with me in the slightest because as in all things there's a level of basic knowledge and understanding in the subject matter that is expected before a productive dialogue can be had.

You do not understand what you are talking about, OP.

Materialism is a dogma that matter is a fundamental substance of existence, and all things that are have material nature.

Dialectical Materialism, the prime methodology of Marx, adheres to this dogma.

Making assumptions, hypothesis and speculations does not contradict materialism, as long as you do not derive them from non-material substances,

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That would be historical materialism, at the very least in his historiography

Historical materialism is based upon dialectical materialism, as the latter is a most abstract and base-level abstract concept of determining truth and deriving knowledge.

It's not empirical. In that sense it's not a materialism but an idealism.

you have no idea what 'idealism' means do you?

That doesn't make any sense. Marx and Engels wrote much of their historiography before they began talking about dialectics, and it didn't have a dialectical character. The term wasn't even invented by Marx, and a lot of the philosophy of dialectical materialism was formulated after his death.

nigger you don't know what "materialism" or "idealism" means.

Listen, everything that is created in this world, whether it is a desk or a social system must first be created in the mind. Materialist and Idealists agree on this. They disagree on where the ideas come from though. Materialist say that the ideas have their origin in material conditions while the idealist believes that they are spontaneously generated by whatever person happens to think them, and that it does not originate from material conditions. Please read what you are criticizing before you criticize it

The materialism and idealism categories stretch beyond fundamental ontology and also apply to politics, science, economics, art,ethics, etc
One can be a materialist in more than one sense

1. Marxism is materialist.

2. Marx used empirical evidence when he found it.

3. Marx based his theories not on an observation of communism but on an observation and theoretical understanding of capitalism from which communism would develop.

4. The idea that Marxism is fundamentally based upon a variant of hegelianism is probably true… at least based on the works that Marx publishes in his lifetime. The criticism has been made that Marx did not really recognize the proletariat as being a "revolutionary subject" as such, and that for him the unfolding of history proceeded in spite of whatever agency mankind possesses. Marx even stated that the end of capitalism was "the negation of the negation" in which the forces that developed capitalism also made its continuation impossible, thus rendering a revolution more or less inevitable.

5. Whether or not Hegelian ideas were integral to Marx's theories, most of the historical tendencies and economic functions of capitalism he described can still be empirically seen and defended.

#3 is illogical and not empirical

nice try, /pol

Why? New things are shaped by the things that came before, so if you want to understand how the future is going to look like, the obvious thing to do would be to study the present state of things

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It is and it's called econophysics.

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Holy shit. Are you literally saying anything that isn't logical positivism is idealism? Is it even possible to be this stupid?

as if you even comprehend what "idealist hegelian philosophy even means…" HA


fucking this.