Non-troll question

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defectors
There were countless people who defected to the eastern bloc countries too.

Mostly practical reasons. People would get free education in the socialist states then move abroad to get bought out by Porky.

but does that warrant being shot or thrown in the gulag?

Damn that's a lot of US Military defecting to Sweden. Too chickenshit to war?

Why shouldn't it?

Choose your outcome:

They have been fed, clothed, housed, healed and educated by the socialist country, all for free. They then leave right before they start paying back their debt to society. Why do you think people want to prevent this?

What are you talking about, there are millions of Chinese people living in other countries.

Wherever chinese people are, that place is china.
Australia is just far south china.

Eastern Europeans want their Iron curtain back

Haha hey isn't that the ending to Catch-22?

i mean while the state ideology was socialism of the USSR and the Eastern Bloc later on, they still were developing states. As is common in developing states as is abundantly clear today from the Third World and Ex-Socialist countries, there is a huge braindrain from developing countries to first world countries simply because educated people fetch higher wages in the latter. This is not even about a "moral responsibility to one's country." It's just arithmetic. Why should a state sink years of education and training in a person only to have said person move abroad? It not only cost the state much money but then it robs the state of the talent it cultivated, thereby depriving it of one more person that could help develop one's own country. Now multiply this by hundreds of thousands of educated people leaving and the magnitude of the crisis becomes even starker.

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Could a "better way" of doing this be to make it generally known that if you want to become a doctor or a scientist or an engineer or something, that you have to spend X amount of years working in your own country, and let people without an education have greater freedom to move aborad if they wish?

It would be a fucking farce for a poor country like Cuba to spend a bunch of money educating people, and then they all move to Miami because they make more money there. So it's definitely a problem that needs to be dealt with, but on the other hand, basically not a single person ever actually likes being told by the state that they can't leave their country, especially not if they percieve their situation to be bad. So the risk is that the population will feel they're being oppressed by a tyrannical state, and this will be taken advantage of by the capitalist countries.

The US shot a civilian for trying to go to North Korea.

South Korean troops actually I believe.

it is, people are allowed
they just gotta pay up for the received benefits

many more

I was thinking this as well. You might even put a system in place (if you have labour vouchers) that you can pay off your "debt" to leave sooner.

The west does the same. You cannot just leave and never return if you've got outstanding debt. You will be tracked down and arrested.

This triggers the libshit. especially since they think wikipedia is the ultimate authority on everything

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because it's simply not that terrible of a crime that you can make an ethical case for death penalty here

why not offer them a better deal instead? All capitalists can offer is lower taxes. It shouldn't be difficult to just give people reasons to not leave, and let wannabe bourgs and bourg worshippers exit if they so desire.

The travel thing was better and worse than you think, OP.

You could have people visit you and also leave the GDR temporarily to visit people in the west, and could potentially legally leave the GDR through an opaque bureaucratic process starting with you writing an "Ausreiseantrag" (application to leave). This would take several months or even years to go through, and when you did that you worried about getting regular subtle or not so subtle bullying on the job etc. Far more people left via that procedure than just fled, but that doesn't make for exciting movies. Going abroad temporarily or permanently worked much more smoothly for people past working age.

I'm no expert on Russia and China, but as far as I know they had all sorts of bureaucratic restrictions on internal travel and change of residence. You needed a special permission to live in the capital, and these regulations have histories going back to before their socialist revolutions, and China still has that.

I'm for fully state-funded university education with food and housing covered for society and I think it makes sense that there is some temporary restriction to leave for people who receive that; but that policy should be transparent, so that you know when you make a decision whether to become e. g. a doctor that you know exactly how many months you have to stay in the country that enables you to get that education.

No. A richer capitalist country can offer highly educated proffesionals higher wages than a poorer socialist state can, as a socialist state will aim to pay (roughly) the same wage to all the workers, instead of superexploiting many to pay the engineers slightly more.

well you can go search it up, the brain drain as of now is currently drying up and actually some degree of re-integration back to china is occurring.

and of course, it's also due to improving living conditions and opportunities in china, aka better productive forces etc etc.

The US doesn't "let" me go anywhere. I might have the right on paper, but without money it doesn't matter. There isn't any difference between that and the "communist countries" not "letting" their citizens leave.

Get a load of this meme-spouting dipshit.

The """free movement""" of people is a new thing, and is only done so big, developed countries can steal the educated from the countries that made them. It's like when colonizing countries would be like "Ello smelly Indians we come to give you freedums :DDD:DD".
The USSR was at war throughout basically it's entire history. If not a hot war, they were in the Cold War. They couldn't afford to let the U.S. and Co. hoover up all of their scientists with ridiculous offers. The U.S. and Co. did everything they could to kill the USSR, and I guarantee you they would have taken advantage of "le free movement".

I hate that you've dressed this up as a freedom. You get education, housing, etc… for basically nothing, and then you say "Well Communism gave me everything but I want to own a business so I can legally steal from people". Absolute faggotry.

That's a lot of defections to East Germany as well.

Why state can't just issue debt statement with number of monies spent on citizen, so after citizen pays debt he can leave?

Because that's practically what student debt is and it's terrible. The problem of brain drain outside of developing countries is highly exaggerated.

It wouldnt be any fun for the jews if there were no goyim to control and throw into gulags.

For example the mods of this forum are yids and love controlling goyim.

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And what if there were no goyim here to control because they all left?

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Pretty sure every philosopher or academic who has studied law/justice would agree that betraying your class in favor of working for imperialists and capitalists would warrant a death sentence.

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Traveling and immigration was allowed in Yugoslavia from the 60s onwards. Shopping trips to Austria or Italy were also extremely popular.

This, Yugoslavs were free to emmigrate too.

These kind of rules are meant to prevent the expatriation of wealth, not people per se.