I here a lot of talk about idpol and why it's bad on this board, but i've yet to be told exactly what idpol is, why we hate it, and why it's bad praxis.
I here a lot of talk about idpol and why it's bad on this board, but i've yet to be told exactly what idpol is...
Benjamin Gomez
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Connor Williams
We talk about this all the time.
You're just fucking new.
Jose Harris
Lincoln Morgan
It's simple. People saw that liberals developed an anti-marxist and ineffective version of idpol so people use that as an excuse to condemn idpol per se. The sad thing is that just by looking at the reality of the American working class it becomes obvious that you can't build a large movement without it. Just think about it, if you put aside pressing matters that specifically affect black people that's naturally going to alienate a lot of them. People like Fred Hampton understood this which is why he became a threat to the American capitalist class. You can like or dislike idpol but either way it's a necessary tactical consideration.
Ayden Reyes
Identity politics is putting focus on identity issues as the primary driving force of social progress.
The issues with that are as following:
- Splitting up the working class amongst different identities
- Promoting class collaboration within identity groups
This is different to adressing identity issues as secondary to and an expression of class conflict and is meant to concretize class struggle for an individual in a comprehensive way they themself know from experience and can relate to.
Contrary to identity politics we have the effect of attracting people to taking up their class interest, unite across identity groups and learn to differentiate and work against capitalists, no matter what identity they hide behind.
Anti-Idpol thus has two meanings:
The proclaimed identity of a capitalist does not matter, they are enemies. The identity of a worker does not matter, they are considered to be potential comrades that need to be educated on class and unite against capitalists.
Both liberal and reactionary identity politics are both tools of the capitalist class.
Sebastian Ortiz
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this is not what opposition to identity politics means
we do adress these issues, albeit from as conflicts based on class struggle
you promoting identity politics would mean to adress "being black" in opposition to class, as a matter of liberal emancipation into the capitalist system and promoting warcriminals like "obama" as a success for your struggle
Adam Gray
This.
An example an american like you, OP, would understand:
Idpol:
Not Idpol:
Christian Ward
Andrew Powell
UNPOPULAR OPINION: Zig Forums is mostly made up of white males who have the luxury of dismissing idpol.
Gavin Garcia
Shit take, now go back to reddit (which is more white and more male than leftypol).