Indoctrinate me

IS THIS THE POWER OF LYING AND RETARDATION??!

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Take your time lad, people are in too much of a rush these days with politics; Shopping for new tendencies and brands of ideologies, looking to get quickly "indoctrinated" and all that, only to soon move onto their next meme ideology.
I don't know whether this applies to you or not, but just saying actually absorb the information in posts like these

good to know you don't go outside your little bubble and just repeat whatever you're told in school and the news like a good little citizen
fuck off nerd lmao

While Cockshott here is a brilliant guy, I find his videos kind of a bore, myself. Watch them if you want, of course. It's better to read books, though. Most of them actually aren't that long. Besides, you should actually get to know what you believe instead of whatever is the easiest to digest. However, I'll try and help you get started.
Check out books such as:

"Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" by Engels for a general overview of Marxism.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm
It's three chapters, and kind of long for a pamphlet, but I'd recommend taking it out. It's better than "The Communist Manifesto" by far for actually learning things.

"Wage Labour and Capital" and "Value, Price, and Profit" by Marx
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/index.htm
These generally cover how Capitalism works.

"Principles of Communism" by Engels
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
This is a great short text to learn about classes and what Marxists want. Keep in mind this text was written in the 19th century.

Also, just in case you're confused about what we mean by equality, read this article by Lenin, "A Liberal Professor on Equality"
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Read any other books posted in this thread, too. I'm sorry we're so big on books here instead of videos, but it's important you sit down to at least read a little or you'll end up like Pol Pot. If you're confused about topics, come and ask people questions. Despite the constant angry shitflinging here, we do actually try and help people confused about things.

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Thanks a lot guys, in response to

I have been trying to take my time and examine worldviews on their own terms ever since I left that "sphere" but its always good to having supplementary material, am working through marx's shorter works rn and this thread has definetely expanded my reading list for now, whereas earlier I had tried to tackle capital vol 1 head on, thanks to all the videos and links they have clarified a lot of the more complex topics so i kind of have a more general framework. In response to >Well, that's the problem with the internet. Noone really knows you, so, what's your angle on this? I am coming at this from a pretty classical liberal perspective very centrist but more and more I am becoming dissillusioned with Ideas I thought were absolutely true, I am coming at marx with kind of a cautious outlook and I'm trying not to fall into traps that I've seen maxists fall into

youtube.com/watch?v=ma9yipEOVM4&t=852s&list=PLdwU-EjCXCNSc2GJKBmMcJijHaLIuyy-S&index=8 this lecture helped me get into LTV stuff
also this one youtube.com/watch?v=rLlIvGkQ6Q4

Did you expect us to sperg out over why muh race mixing is bad or why rapefugees need to be shot on sight? There's a difference between "politically incorrect" and retarded you fucking brainlet. Are you 12?

So are you implying the working class possesses the means of production or is your meme tier understanding of marx actually that we will take your toothbrush? Kys

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At least you tried.

I wonder who could be behind this post

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youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

This lecture is what really got me interested in further exploring marxism, socialism and communism. Richard Wolff is very good at explaining some of the basic concepts of Marxism (classes and class society, surplus value, exploitation, etc) in a straightforward way.

Me not trust u.

How do you know this?

If that's not the case, then he might be too young for this board. Who knows.

youtube.com/watch?v=3oMsg9dfwhg

Good explanation of the current crisis of capitalism. She has some other good videos too.

kek, Lenin LITERALLY btfoing a liberal professor

Liberal Professors gets DESTROYED by MARXISM and DIALECTICS

JUST PUT METAL TOGETHER OR FIX TOILETS YOU DUMB DUMBSSSSS, like a real man! Dance is for femme fruits!

If you want to understand Marxism, here is what you need to do.

First, despook yourself by listening to The Ego and Its Own as an audiobook. This is essential, so don’t skip the step.

Then, just read the texts. There is no rush. If you read and take notes on an average 10 pages a day (a quite modest proposal) then in a years time you will have a good understanding of Marxism. The attached picture is the reading list I would recommend you start with. You shouldn’t go into it with the attitude that you need to read all of them. Just take it one page at a time and if you get tired of it, take a break. The order IS important (top to bottom) and I can explain why if you would like me to.

Supplemental resources like the much shilled Law of Value video series are fine, but they are not a replacement, nor a primer. They are to be taken alongside the texts rather than before or instead of.

Here is the video series I’m referring to.
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7

An important note regarding how these texts should be approached is that you mustn't read them as a Marxist. There is no sense calling yourself a Marxist if you have not yet read these texts, and if you commit to Marxism prematurely, your understanding of the texts will be clouded by your desire to defend rather than to understand. Read them critically! Don’t be afraid to disagree with something Marx is saying, or to agree with something one of his detractors is saying.

Please stop recommending this Muke tier pamphlet. The first section of Capital is a far better introduction to Marx's ideas. If anything, reading WL&C before Capital will just confuse the boy, as it seems to have confused many of the brainlets on this board. Marx had not fully developed The point of reading WL&C should be to understand Marx's development as a philosopher.

Woke.

lol

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Cut myself off here.

…his theories at the time of writing WL&C, and at times says things that would be considered flat out wrong from a contemporary Marxist perspective.

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ROFL
Dude you have a really fucking strange definition of "working class" if you believe this. The vast majority of people in our society (about 80-90%) are employed by a capitalist to earn a living. This is the working class we seek to liberate/abolish, not some petite bourgeois tradesmen who aren't proletarian at all.

Should be: about 80-90% of working age people

That's a good way to ruin Marxism for people tbh. The only take that's correct is that WLC and VPP should be discarded and Capital should be read instead, the rest of your "reading list" is all over the place.

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Ok first of all, what the fuck is that "Science of Logic" International Publishers lookin ass weak pamphlet shit? Real armchairs get the real shit, on that $60 Cambridge publishing shit, see pic related. I have no clue what that book even is, because it sure as hell isn't the Greater Logic and it's even too small to be the Lesser Logic. Gonna have to ask you to self-crit before I get the Great Helmsman on the line to neck you honestly.

Second of all, not really sure how Hegel himself is "supplementary" compared to German Ideology. Don't get me wrong German Ideology is great, but to call the Greater Logic (even if the real one isn't pictured in smoking leftcom's post) and the Philosophy of Right "supplementary" just shows how much of a brainlet you are. Speaking of brainlets who don't know shit about Hegel, that brings me to my second point about bitching about not reading Spinoza or Althusser. Althusser was a pseud my man, the only good thing that came out of him was the entire field of Marxist and post-Marxist philosophy that followed him (a la Badiou, Zizek, Negri and Hardt, etc.) Hell even his theory of ideology is obsolete compared to others' such as Zizek's. How you gonna suggest a man's writing who, in his most important and respected contributions to philosophy, makes claims that he asks you only to believe "in the name of materialism"? (thinking here specifically of the essay On Ideology and ISA)

Furthermore, Engels is arguably supplementary at best when compared to Hegel or even compared to Marx, and Spinoza is arguably only important from a specifically philosophical grounding in study, unless of course you presuppose (like pseud-tier Althusser fanboys) that Hegelianism is a big bad idealist mysticism that's only good for the mythological "rational kernel." But of course it would make no fucking sense to claim that since you brought up Lukacs as essential too, one of the most famously influential Hegelian Marxists of the early to mid 20th century, whose works basically necessitate basic familiarity with Hegel himself and German Idealism as a whole. But how would you know that? :^)

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lol

Yes Smith after Capital. If OP is interested in Marx and he starts by reading Smith, he's just going to get bored.

???

This is supposed to be an introductory reading list. There is no sense reading any twentieth century Marxist scholar (even if we grant you that Althusser wasn't a pseud) until after reading Lenin, since they are all more or less a reaction to Lenin in some way or another.

I almost included a secondary supplemental list that would be all on relevant epistemology.

I ordered it expecting the Greater Logic but got this:
inkwells.org/index_htm_files/hegel.pdf
There is a free pdf of the complete Greater Logic online. The lesser logic would be fine in that spot too, as the Greater Logic can be a bit difficult. I just included this little guy for the title.

The rest of you post is pretty based btw. Gotta ask though, why all that Heidegger? He has always struck me as actually being what everyone says Hegel is (ie. willfully unintelligible).

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you'll just get bored. just shitpost here and start bait threads and arguments, eventually it will start to make sense.
that's at least how I learned, anyway

I've always been interested in Heidegger but I'm not really sure why, it's mostly just for the sake of building a strong continental philosophy library. On the shelf below it I have a little more on Heidegger as well as Deleuze's principle works, for instance. Most of my library though I haven't read yet, I'm just building up a good amount as I push slowly through my studies. I have poor reading discipline and attention problems so it's hard to get myself to read. Anyway, I don't think Heidegger or Hegel are willfully unintelligible, I try to give every serious and respected writer the benefit of the doubt.

huh, strange

Is that fucking Nick Land I see there?

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lmao