Nuclear is still the best option for clean baseload power, and yet Greenfags who I suspect many are the puppets of Big OIl or unwitting useful idiots , are still demonizing the only weapon in our eco technological arsenal which could give the world abundant reliable baseload energy.
Reminder that only the old outdated models of nuclear power plants built in the 60s, have had problems. 5th generation Nuclear power like Thorium MSR are pretty much meltdown proof, safe, modular and could be easily be manufactured on assembly lines, which would mean cheap power for all. Its also difficult to proliferate.
I'm not particularly sure, but the best way to combat any ignorance is generally through education. Inform people scared of nuclear reactors of both how unlikely they are to die because of one, but also how great they are for outputting power.
Luis Wright
I hope they put a nuclear waste repository in your backyard.
Ayden Thomas
I hope they cut off electricity for you, and put rare earth waste in your backyard.
Jayden Bennett
t.Ignorant anti nuclear Spook/Big Coal shill
Its quite clear buddy that you have such uninformed opinion on the next generation of nuke designs. Coal and OIl produces more nuclear radiation waste than nuclear, yet retards like yourself would much rather have a coal plant in your neighborhood than a clean meltdown proof state of the art Thorium MSR plant.
Oh, well atleast youre honest about your retardation
Grayson Clark
Thorium reactors may also be integral in future anti proliferation efforts. Thorium Msrs eats up weapon grade plutonium, which are difficult to dispose of.
Thorium is some dank shit but conventional reactors need to be phased out. One thing people never talk about is expanding storage infrastructure to make renewables better.
Levi Brooks
Renewable are great for domestic use, but they will never be suitable for industry, even with battery storage. Industries die and are born according to the availability of cheap stable energy, and a flexible grid system whic can accommodate extreme loads. And batteries are a long way from being economical or even capable of baseload power for industry. I think battery technology and prices will likely plateau before theyll become economical for industry use. I think we will eventually have a duel grid system, with 5th generation nuclear power plants powering a centralized grid thatll be used by industry, perhaps helped by solar and wind. And for domestic use, we will have decentralized solar/wind power with battery network which will be cheaper than what we get today. .
Adrian Harris
nuclear is good
conventional industrial waste is far worse in terms of quality and quantity when compared to spend rods
Joshua Hernandez
You're not wrong user, but I was talking about large scale storage: shit like microdams or compressed air energy storage, so large scale renewable projects (we have a lot in the UK in the form of wind turbines) can store their energy and have it released back into the grid.
David Rodriguez
by executing them once the DotP is established
Kevin Taylor
How are you going to defeat Big Oil once the Greens are out of the picture OP?
Jaxson Howard
I couldnt care less about your typical pretentious bourgeois Greens city clickers. The problem is that their irrationality about Nuclear energy has permeated throughout the broader left to the point where holding a pro nuclear stance is seen as being right wing to most leftist I know.
Easton Howard
Are you counting all the Depleted Uranium babies in those figures?
Agreed that he's an idiot, but nuclear waste is still a serious problem, and as long as we don't have functioning nuclear fusion I'll be concerned about having nuclear power as a major source of energy.
David Collins
just because there is no way to use nuclear waste right now doesn't mean there won't be any in the future, we just need to invest much more into finding solutions. Using resources freed up by going nuclear is good solution.
Justin Evans
Am I wrong that. (1,3 and 4)(Not 2!) were pictures of children fucked up from fusing with uranium dust from uranium rounds shot into their homeland which were made from leftover byproduct of American nuclear industry?
Sebastian Ramirez
There is. It's called depleted uranium armor and depleted uranium ammunition. It's widely used by USA armed forces. youtube.com/watch?v=yGUIUQp3LsQ
OP wants to build a nuclear reactor filled with a molten, radioactive, highly corrosive and explosive metal. OP also asserts that the reactor designers have totally solved all the problems that made previous malfunction, overheat and piss radioactive fuel everywhere. Clearly, anyone who disagrees with OP's plan to build a radioactive sodium bomb is a shill for the fossil fuel industry.
Justin James
That's all well and good, but the staggering upfront costs of building a reactor is what really holds the industry back, not dirty hippies. In a time of austerity and neglect of fixed capital in the west, it is a hard sell no matter how desirable long term.
But if I were in charge, we would build many big and beautiful reactors, to be sure.
Brandon Phillips
Unironically if you want large scale nuclear power, you need to invest in space travel so we can fire nuclear waste into the sun. Legit the only reason we do not do that is because of the chance we miss, seriously otherwise there is nothing wrong with doing that.
Cameron Cox
The fuck are you even talking about.
Aaron Butler
look at op nigger, thorium is the future. People who actually support nuclear energy know thorium is more efficient and safer than uranium. Trying to spook people with "muh chernobyl" is the exact attitude that disencourages governments from investing further into nuclear energy.
Elijah Davis
It's not nuclear meltdown. It's nuclear byproduct intentionally weaponized as a means of forcibly disposing it on the other side of the globe because nobody in America wants it in their backyard.
See:
Isaiah Rogers
Am I talking to thin air here?
Do any of the replies:
Understand the connection between Nuclear Energy->Nuclear Reactors->Nuclear Waste->Nuclear Waste Armor and Ammunition->Deformed Heavy Metal babies?
Nicholas Long
thorium produces ~100 times less nuclear waste. Just send that shit into the sun who cares
Wyatt Smith
Well I suppose go build yourself a Thorium reactor then.
Cooper Allen
you know, people don't wanna put money into researching it because you can't use thorium to build nuclear weapons. And what's to gain if you can't kill millions of people in the process?
This is something which bothers me aswell. People like to cry about Chernobyl but refuse to acknowledge how much bloodier coal and oil are. There's also the unnecessary association with nuclear weapons. Those who were against nuclear power half a century ago, what did they shill for? Cause I don't think wind and solar were developed as much back then, so it'd basically be shilling for fossil fuels.
Henry Hill
Nuclear pollution lasts magnitudes longer than fossil fuel pollution. Where are you going to put the spent rods?
Nathaniel King
Also how would nuclear energy stop fossil fuel resources from being used anyways?
Dylan Thompson
do you retards ever read the OP? 83 percent of Thorium MSR radioactive waste are rendered safe within 10 yearsm whilst the other 17 percent of waste produced by Thorium MSR would be made safe within 300 years, which beats Uranium light water waste storage time of a million years. And because you use 250 times less fuel in Thorium MSR as in uranium when generating the same amount of energy , the waste product is also minuscule too. So you would only need to store the 17 percent long term residual Thorium waste in one secure facility.
Lucas Brown
my post about thorium got ignored, they won't care. Stop trying.
Austin Sanders
Go make this Thorium reactor, no one here is stopping you.
Caleb Murphy
cont:There are always pros and cons to any energy source, but its clear that thorium beats coal and all the other fossil fuel based baseload fuels when it comes to cons/pros. Coal generates tons more radioactive waste than any other nuclear fuel, and you breath that shit, which is why Coal is responsible for more than half a million health related deaths each year. You fags should be more worried about Coal than Nukes, which will only cause harm if you breach a storage facility, whilst Big Coal are more than happy to externalize the risks and cons of Coal to the public, yet no one bats an eye.
Good thing nuclear produces significantly less waste compared to the energy it generates so we can afford to store it safely. The efficiency increase over fossil fuel frees up resources to make it possible. Up your luddite ass, hopefully.
By satisfying industry's need for electricity. Wind and solar are for domestic use.
Eli Jackson
Then why not wind and solar? I use solar.
Tyler Sanders
theyre not industry friendly
Elijah Allen
Well this nuclear stuff sounds like a matter for industry to pay for itself.
I'm happy with my solar.
Elijah Taylor
Wouldn't you like to. Doesn't mean it isn't against Geneva conventions.
With the electrification of transport, the general public will also have a stake in seeing nuclear baseload take off. I dont think Solar will be enough to power 2 Billion cars, trucks, ships, buses, etc, especially in places like Europe and Asia, where space is finite and land is becoming expensive and scarce. Energy dense sources of power is needed for places like China and South Asia.
Sebastian Jenkins
It's enough to power an electric bike in it's current form. It's good enough for me. All that other shit can fuck off really.
Both options last beyond the timespan of our current human civilisation. We should take the option that is not fucking destroying the entire planet right now.
Austin Allen
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Blake Murphy
How are we opponents? Do you work for the Nuclear Industry?
Luis Baker
we should have embraced portable nuclear batteries like the one in t-800
underground, in a desert or in place far away from people ofcourse, or launch them into space when we get enough technology to do that.
Luke Williams
Those pics weren’t caused by Nuclear Energy
Luis Jones
Good thing Thorium doesn’t create depleated Uranium.
Nolan Morales
This is completely true you fucking Brainlet.
Thomas Cox
Is anyone here not just pro-nuclear energy but also pro-nuclear proliferation? i believe all poor countries should be given nuclear armaments to defend themselves.
Gabriel Wood
The byproduct of Nuclear Energy.
Luis Richardson
No they wern’t.
Blake Williams
Yes they were.
Cameron Richardson
It isn’t the fault of nuclear reactors that the Burger military decide to through around industrial waste.
Nicholas King
We probe them, of course.
Owen Morris
Choosing to ruin the planet tomorrow rather than ruining the planet today is retarded. Neither option is a good choice. We need to do something different entirely.
Ian Ward
You are seriously overestimating the impact of nuclear waste. While the waste IS dangerous for millennia (and even the danger of it is overstated. People might have been scared away from the Chernobyl exclusion zone but the ecosystem doesn't give a fuck - the biodiversity is higher than it was before), its effects are limited - either being deadly in a small area or pretty much insignificant when spread out over a large area. Pollution from fossil fuels, meanwhile, have a massive potential for causing a global ecological collapse, and it's far deadlier, simply due to the sheer volume of pollution. If you have the choice between locking a few thousand tons of nuclear waste a year and dumping BILLIONS of tons of pollution into the atmosphere and the oceans, nuclear power is the only ecologically defensible option, especially when current technology is vastly more efficient than the outdated reactors that are producing said waste. Fossil fuels are never gonna be that efficient, and renewable options would be far too massive in scale. If you want to get rid of fossil fuels, you're gonna need another source of cheap energy, and the only source we have at the moment is nuclear.
Ayden Miller
Your friendly reminder, that even technologically high advanced countries can't handle nuclear energy properly.
Your whole post is a nonargument but If the Japanese are advanced in any way outside of industry then the whole world has been advanced since the first guy said "Listen to your father".
Ethan Cox
The real problem is that it takes 20 years to build that shit so by the time you build one it is already obsolete. It's pretty fucking hilarious and also sad.
Luke Baker
No one is using the latest nuclear power designs. Most highly advanced socieities with nuclear power infrastructure are still using gen 1 or gen 2 nukes designed more than 40 years ago. The R/D investments for Throium MSR is still minuscule. It took a good half a trillion dollars to get light water reactors into the commercialisation stage. Itll be less for Thorium, since most of the problems associated with MSR has been solved, but its still has a long way to go for commercialisation, and no one in the west is serious about MSR since politicians are puppets of Big Gas, Coal and oil who wanna maintain their market share.
Robert Martin
Also the Greens have done a great job of stigmatising anyone who support nuclear research, so MPs who wanna increase funding for Nuclear research have to face both the crazy anti nuclear harpies who sway public opinions on nuke energy, and the Coal/Gas/Oil lobby.
Jacob Russell
Fusion is the only acceptable form of nuclear energy. Fission can eat a dick.
Austin Martin
Well this seems to assume standard solid fuel light-water reactors.
If you go for world power, you could improve the designs, maybe just a little , on account of it being for WORLD POWAAAA
You can build floating reactors for the ocean those don't need land, can never run out of coolant, nor can they be damaged in an earthquake, they also can be build bigger so only only about 4000 plants, they can be serviced by dragging them to a facility similar to a shipping-yard, Zirconium is used for fuel pellet-rods so if you go liquid you dont need that. For the other rare minerals, bigger reactor vessels will economize on those. If you need more mineral mining you would still reduce mining overall because fossils + logistic related operations are massive & devastating. Electricity is a higher quality energy source, than chemical, you'll need less off it to get the same result. Example replace an oil-heater with electric heat-pump, get a warm house for a fraction of the energy expenditure. Nuclear waste problem is a lie, thorium reactors have the smallest waste stream of any mode of power production and will reduce some of the existing nuclear waste because it can be burned as fuel. the failure rate prediction is ridicules, as if people don't learn and improve, nuclear has killed the least people per unit of energy produced. The argument that nuclear power leads to nuclear proliferation is wrong, DPRK made anywhere between 5 to 60 nukes and does not have any nuclear-power both US and USSR also made nuclear weapons before they had power-reactors. Theres loads of countries with nuclear reactors that have no nuclear weapons.
Derek Abbott, is in bio-med-engineering, those usually hate the "nuclear people" he might not be arguing in good faith. However Solar-thermal is less hassle than nuclear, although it is more expensive, especially because you need to get the electricity out of the dessert to where people actually want to use it meaning big transport losses, still solar is great do that too.
Barriers to nuclear are less technical than political: fossil lobby + irrational fears.
Nolan Gonzalez
It's more financial than political. Shit is expensive and takes forever to build. You can build a coal plant in like 5 years whereas you are lucky if you nuclear power plant comes online in 20 years.
Kevin Lee
Fusion is a moneypit, and wont work until we have meta materials and lasers than can generation and withstand extreme temperatures only found in the cores of Giant Stars. We are atleast a good 50 years away from economically feasible Fusion power
Austin Wilson
Not with thorium.. Albeit like most new reactor designs, R/D funding will be expensive, but Thorium MSR reactors can be modular and built on assembly lines and is scalable. The US military were even thinking of using Throium MSRs in nuclear weapon armed aeroplanes that wouldnt need to be docked for months , before funding for Thorium MSRs were scrapped in the early 70s.
Leo Howard
Into the trash it goes. Thorium is the future of nuclear power. Uranium fags get out.
Caleb Parker
Coal and Gas is more deadlier to toddlers than nukes. Childhood disfigurement and cognitive impairment has skyrocketted because of smog pollution caused by coal in China and India
Good luck lads I hope you find a way. t. far right winger
Dylan Jones
epic blog fag
Joseph Campbell
Nuclear plants don't release nuclear material and uranium releases an insignificant amount of radiation, it's only dangerous as a heavy metal, which means its only dangerous when inhaled. None of those birth defects can be traced to depleted uranium.
Nobody advocates for this. Following this train of though would lead the conclusion that we can't handle oil because of oil spills, it's an argument against energy technology.
Very variable in power output. Needs good batteries and a good amount of time for prep for nuclear winter. Also not good in nuclear winter. Thorium reactor and Thermo-reactors are good for Hoxhaists-Posadists for prep. ~uguu
Carter Carter
Like to add on. I don't like having to upkeep things and maintain them to prevent myself from getting irradiated. Would be great if there was a automated system to do that. For not it seems thermo-reactors won't kill me if I leave it alone.
Liam Davis
Renewables cant be used to create Ammonia essential in artificial fertilizer which 5 billion people depend on for their food security, whilst the haber bosch process can utilize Thorium reactors. Either way retards who say Renewables will meet industry needs have never worked in industry
Luis Richardson
Disregard that thing about killing me. Thorium is cool but I'm just too lazy.
Logan Cooper
This seems pretty legit. People really underestimate how economy of scale works.
Austin Hill
Nuclear energy causes a great deal of poisoning of water supplies and soil during the mining process and destruction of land through strip mining. Plus the heavy machinery all runs on fossil fuels. The people who work in mining this nuclear material have high rates of cancer and so does people working in these plants near the corr. The way forward is decentralized power grids where everyone has their own generator best suited for location Small rooftop wind generators with a spiral spherical shape with a cage around it for example which aren't a hazard to bird life like windmill style generators and doesn't require an electronic system to make it face toward the wind source. Also power is lost in converting the DC power to AC then back to DC once it reaches an appliance. With each home or community having it's own generator power need not be carried as far thus DC power can be used all the way through removing this power loss from inefficient conversion.
Ryder King
more research is needed, the future lies in nuclear fusion.
Brody Lewis
On a somewhat unrelated note, what are we.gonna do once we run out of iron ore and coking coal? Are we gonna have enough steel and other metals to make spaceships and enough fuel to power them, get off this planet and start mining Mars? Uranium is a finite resource too fellas
Kevin Ward
Oh shit, I guess we must reverse back to coal plants then.
Brayden Anderson
There are more resources than you might even imagine. Many materials can be in recycling loop.
Renewables have a limit though. But also there is a limit to human consumption that is related to an immediate need of food, clothing, shelter.
Plasma physics together with catalysis could be utilized for production of ammonia on small scales. Haber Bosch process is optimized for large quantities of production. Plasma chemistry might offer here a small scale alternative that is much more coherent with the non-nuclear local power grids. But the research is still going on without any viable prototype being produced, only laboratory tests of electric discharges, or whatever you can find in scientific journals on the topic.
The other argument is that in dealing away with profit, capitalism and monetary measurements, this opens a way towards optimizations which were never considered in capitalism due to being unprofitable.
