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You can claim to be jewish or catholic if you want to. But if the authoritive orginisations, which everyone claiming that identity approves of their legitimacy, says you are not it, then you are not part of "their community".
The pope and vatican is the authority of what is and is not catholic, there is some jewish group that does the same and israel as a state follows their guidelines.
It would be kind of like claiming to be a communist while all the other communists say you are not a communist. You can do it, its just retarded.

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How can you have the monopoly of an identity? It's not a property.

Sorry for deleted post, I though first you were saying the opposite about Vatican.

So if a sexual/gender idpol organization says for example you can't be straight, you won't be straight then?

Also, what's the legitimacy of those authorities anyway?

If 99% of the jews say that you are not jewish, do you think you are part of the larger "jewish" community? Are you really a jew if everybody agrees you are not? Definitions are not made by individuals.

Are you really that autistic? Can you really not follow my argument?

Israel is not 99% of the jew, they are 45% of the jews actually, not even an absolute majority.

You are saying there are legitimate because they are the authorities, I'm asking why makes their supposed authority legitimate?

Does not matter. The vast majority of jews approve of the theological authority of the jewish institutes based in israel. Israel itself just follows those institutes.

Their legitimacy derives from the majority of the members they claim to represent approving of them.

Think of it like this:
Seems pretty simple to me.
The catholic church is the head of catholicism. You claim claim to be a catholic and oppose the pope, but then are you really a catholic? Can you really be a jew if most jewish people (and remember, jews outside of israel also agree with that rule) say you are not a jew?
Ethnic jews define being an ethnic jew as being the child of a jewish mother. Therefore, if your mom is not ethnically jewish, you are not jewish. Jewishness for jews is not just a religion, it is an ethnicity.

He's not?

But how do all these people would know what you think or do?

Eh, what?

The jews to say that you're not jewish should know you, what stop people to lie to them? If I say my mom is jewish even if it's not true, if the jews believe me will I be a jew then?

Obviously if you lie they will believe it.
Until they find out.
Much like how you can pretend to be christian until people see you offering a goat to satan.

A lifetime if you're good at lying.
A lot of people in early Christian Ancient Rome did proceed to worship mythological gods in secret even after it was forbidden by the Holy Roman Church, and there's a lot of others historical examples like this.

Your point being?

You can pretend to be from any religious or even ethnicity (if your skin and facial is passable) identity if you want, because people don't read in minds.

BIC in the pooter. *!*

Soooo?
The question was "Can you become it", not "can you pretend to be"/

Absolutely but you said that to "become it" is to be accepted by the community, so if you can pretend well, you will be accepted by the community", then you will become it, according to you.

Nothing. "legitimacy"? "authority"? It's a spook.

Argumentum ad populum.

Also, Israel was not always a state. What about the ancient jews before Israel existed? who got to decide on whose authority was a "real jew"? Did they not exist? And at what point did the old authority on who is a real jew transfer to the state of Israel and why?

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Lately I have seen brain-dead righties blaming anything bad that happens on "corporate Marxism". Apparently they've decided that all the negative parts of capitalism (ie. all of it) are caused by Marx, somehow. Just somehow.
I've given up on humanity.

This is fairly easy to answer: descendants of the sons of Israel, i.e. Jacob, or, rather, the Semitic tribes who had identified around this mythological narrative and the exclusive worship of Yahweh.

is wrong, though. You can convert to Judaism, but, naturally, the requirements for converts are different between orthodox, conservative and reform sects. The mother requirement proceeds from the post-exilic period, although such a requirement for being Jewish is nonexistent in Pentateuchal laws.

My aunt is a Jewish convert. She grew up Catholic.

1. They don't want to think about how bad Capitalism is so they start pointing fingers at 20th century socialist states.They don't give a shit that the actual archives say a lot less people died, that's just "commie propaganda". Also, everything bad in Capitalism is just some scapegoat's fault, not Capitalism itself.
2. See above.
3. People just have the idea that "Socialism = Big Evil Grayscale Totalitarian Hellscape" and "Capitalism = Warm Fuzzy Colorful Freedom".
4. Well, it was run by fairly hardline communists, at least initially, anyways. That might be why.
5. Because they idealize this make-believe "small business" bullshit that doesn't exist.
6. Maybe? I don't know much about Judaism.

The number one message of these institutes is that all Jews should come to Israel. So…