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Mao, in the monkey/tiger dialectic (monkey=rebel, attacker of hierarchies and those in power. tiger= strength, forcing others to bow before your power, hierarchies) was too much a tiger. Still, at least he understood that an ossified class of party bureaucracy was a abad thing to be avoided. He just didn't have the guts to really do anything about it after he soured on the Cultural Revolution.

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t. deng xiaoping

Go to bed Khrushchev

The GLF not killing literally everyone doesn't mean it wasn't a massive failure.

GLF was a massive success, by the time Mao died life expectancies went from 40 to 60 years. The "death tolls" of the GLF era are arrived at by counting DECREASED BIRTHRATE as deaths.

I bet these fucking Maoists probably think Pol Pot was a great guy and anti imperialist. .

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Marxist Leninist Maoists all disapprove of Mao's 70's right wing turn, including the three worlds theory

Not only that but it was shitty pig iron. Honestly, I can get Stalinists since the USSR greatly improved industrialization, technology, and literacy but my God are Maoists retarded.

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He did do good poetry and advances in dialectics though, as well as guerilla warfare. He might not have solved the problem of the party becoming detached from the people but he tried and we should try to solve that problem too.

Pick one

sorry buddy, one divides into two

The mere fact that he recognized that that was a problem, rather than certain other figures who were just totally inculcated in bourgeois party politics, means that he wasn't all bad in my book. Stop that cult of personality nonsense, follow through with the cultural revolution and fully dissolve the hierarchical party power structure, and he would've been based af. If a true mass line would be achieved, if they could achieve true direct democracy rather than take shelter in representative democracy w/ a red makeover, I'd be ready to wage PPW myself. Libertarian Maoism ftw.

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As someone with Maoist sympathies, I think most of the problems would be solved if, in Mao's monkey/tiger dialectic, where the tiger was dominant, we flipped it on its head, rule as monkeys more than we do as tigers

So capitalism murdered the whole Europe with that logic, and Eastern Europe got hit with decreased birth rates the second they got capitalism. But nooo, that doesnt count.

well it's easy for us to say "get rid of cults of personality" but you have to remember Mao was working with a country of mostly peasants, and if you read 18th brumaire you know that peasants lead isolated lives and their politics are defined by great men and cults of the individual, whether it be Napoleon, Emperor Meiji, or Mao.

They should jump straight from wooden tools to asteroid space mining?. It was available, they used it.

Uh yeah. capitalism murdered multiple continents if we use the methodology of anticommunists

Mao was a great revolutionairy and China made massive advancements under Mao he did make mistakes, though. The Cultural Revolution was a disaster for example

Unreflected commonplaces. The Cultural Revolution was a huge success.

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china did support Pol Pot, so…

The True Arch-Tankie line is to claim that the Khmer Rouge were CIA assets from the very beginning while also shifting the blame of most Cambodian deaths during this period onto the US airforce.

No it wasn't, you are just trying to be an edgy contrarian. If it were to succeed then everything that happend after wouldn't had happend

i'd argue the first claim but this is generally just the truth, if you want to spread US imperialist apologism by denying the facts you can fuck back off to your shithole board

w-what

revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/mao-zedong-and-the-chinese-revolution

Your point?

Mao was a honest Marxist and i can say he was the most stable attempt at true Marxism and not just state control of the mop
Some the criticism he gets are for things inherent to Leninism(Both Deng and Khrushchev were pretty much sons of the Leninist experiment)
Mao managed to sow a new way for the Chinese, making PRC the few remaining Socialist states by cultural education
But he did make some weird mistakes (JACK SPARROW!!!)

IIRC the period also saw the development of concentrated heavy industries along the Soviet model, which would go on to form the basis of the SOE's we know and love today. The GLF was not so much about actually creating an industry via backyard furnaces, as galvanizing the population to make the sacrifices needed for created concentrated industries palpable. There's also something in there about it being part of the struggle between Mao and other members of the CPC. Great improvements in the industrial base, literacy, and health did take place throughout the Mao era, but they were obscured by the more flashy parts of his legacy.

Read Chuang.

chuangcn.org/journal/one/sorghum-and-steel/

Shut the fuck up, faggot.

Thanks m8 this looks good

Why are Western Maoists so autistic?

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You mean North American maoist lad ( North American Communists are in general bad), in Europe you have some decent Maoists like Badieu,Godard the RAF…..

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Maos was a retard politically and economically, and china has never made a meaningfull contribution to marxist thought nor has any chinese "leader" or government even done anything that could be considered successful marxism.
The USSR did. Their government was highly competent on both a national level and an international level, they developed a strong industrialized economy without having to revert to free trade, etc.
Despite its many flaws, the USSR did good, and should be looked at for lessons. China never did much, mao's china was retarded and poor, it never industrialized, it was disaster after disaster and they actively worked against worker interests on a geopolitical scale (just look at who china supported in proxy wars, it was always the shit side). It only lasted 20 years before they started introducing market reforms and barreling down into capitalism.

I might add:
Mao was great at war.
Mao was kind of a chinese Che. We needed a chinese Fidel to run china, instead of Mao. Mao was great at guerilla war, he was shit at politics.

How about being one of the only marxist thinkers to seriously consider the peasantry as revolutionary subjects you piece of shit

Mao's little red book is unironically good.

Read marx.

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So what was he supposed to do in a country with 90% peasantry and maybe 5% industrial proletariat? Submit himself to the Kuomintang? Sit on his ass like a fucking leftcom?

Eh, yes.

Joining the soviet union instead of being an autist might have been a good idea.

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I think that if it was not for Krushev revison of Marxism and maybe a bit of a coult of personality on Mao's part.
The Cominform would have continued, and something similar to a socialist Commonwhealth of different nations with Economic and Militar cooperation would have formed, this would have probably lessened Soviet influence in the pact (insted of the Warsaw pact were just because of it's mere size it was really influential)

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That pic is missing Grenada, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Benin, Burkina Faso, Congo, Afghanistan, and South Yemen

Abundant typos/grammatical errors inbound.

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There is no specific date when things really "went wrong". It was a kind of slow, gradual process that culminated in counter revolution.

Unfortunately, the post-RIMite "maoist" movement know jack shit about the history of their own movement.

To begin, Mao was never firmly a leftist within his own party. He was always kind of a political moderate, who floated between wings. From the 1950's - 69, he primarily sided with the left wing of the CCP. The CCP itself was divided into more groupings than just "left" and "right". The right wing was split between two principle factions - On the right wing, you had the Social Nationalists, who were a group of mostly Han Chinese nationalists/anti imperialists that joined up with the Communists, as they saw them as the force best equipped to build a strong han chinese state - This is the ruling faction of China today under Xi Jinping. You also had the liberal-right - who were essentially full blown, McDonalds in Beijing compradors. This is Liu Shaoqi in his later life. Deng was a kind of moderate between the Liberals and the social nationalists.

On the left, you had a radical, third worldist oriented "barracks socialism" group who led up the GPCR, and advocated for radical communization of the rural areas. In action, this group were heading towards the abolition of the party state. Full blown GPCR until communism, even as the GPCR devolved into a kind of mini civil war in China. This was the "primary" left faction up until 1970, and was headed up by Vice Chairman Lin Biao, and Chen Boda (Mao's ghostwriter and personal secretary).

You also had a more moderate left, eg, the later Shanghai Maoists/GO4, and then the party moderates - of which Mao was principally a "part" of.

The GPCR itself started as a kind of political coup, backed by Lin Biao's people's army, which seized power from the rightists, and evolved into a giant mass movement. The GPCR eventually built up to the point that a civil war in minature was being fought in China. Rival red guards factions killed each other in the streets. Rightist oriented militias would fight leftist red guards, Red Guards would storm military bases and armored trains to seize equipment to fight the rightists, etc etc.

While the left wing of the party were in favor of continuing the GPCR, Mao got spooked and called an end to the mass movements. The PLA were called in against the mass movements, Red Guards youth were sent to the countryside to cool off and de-radicalize, etc. Around this time, Mao began a big shift to the right wing. Starting in 1969, going through until the 1970's, Mao ordered the purging of many left wing generals and top CCP cadre. In 71, this process accelerated rapidly following the suspicious death of Lin Biao - who was accused of being at once, a soviet, Japanese, American agent, a secret confucian samurai cultist, and a plotter of a giant conspiracy to destroy the chinese people via a james bond/comic book style plot to assasinate Mao and seize state power. The accusation was so ridiculous that the supposed "plans" for Lin's coup, which were "seized" by the party rightists were never released to the public. Lin was accused of everything negative under the sun, from intentionally under-training the PLA to lose a war with the soviets, to stiffling access birth control and poor harvest.

Immediately following Lin's death, China began a massive shift rightwards. Internally, the left wing economic policies of the party leftists - eg, the "Flying Leap" policy, were rejected in favor of gradual de-communization. Socialist economic policies were reversed, particularly in rural areas. A massive purging of the party/PLA left began, and Mao began personally rehabilitating the rightists, eg, Deng, and putting them in positions of power. The Rightist Hua Guofeng was chosen by Mao as his successor.

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In foreign policy, China abandoned the proto-third worldist People's War centred foreign policy of Lin & Chen in favor of the revisionist, social imperialist foreign policy justified by Mao's rightist "three worlds theory". Mao's China began supporting far-right dictatorships around the world. In south asia, Mao provided vital support to Pakistan in their genocide of east-Bengal, in which over a million people died. Mao supported the Marcos dictatorship in the Philippines, as Marcos was busy slaughtering communists. Mao sided against the anti-colonial revolutions in Africa, and supported the colonial powers - eg, as in Angola and Mozambique. Mao supported the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile, and went as far as to order the Chinese embassy to close its doors to communists fleeing fascist violence. The CCP ordered Maoists in the west to support NATO against the Soviet Union - causing a massive split in the western Maoist movement, which gave birth to the Hoxhaist movement.

By 1976, most of the party's left was either purged, or sidelined. Mao was totally estranged from his wife Jiang, and would feign deafness whenever she spoke with him. By some accounts, he was drawing up plans to have he arrested as early as in 1974. When Mao was on his deathbed, he said to his chosen successor, the rightist Hua Guofeng that "with you in charge, I am at ease". Contrary to post-RIM mythology, it was not Deng Xiaoping who succeeded Mao. Deng did not come to power until the early 1970's. Mao's immediate successor - the head of party/state of the PRC until then, Hua, immediately purged the few remaining leftists in the party, the "Gang of four", and all of the leftists centred around them. By the mid 70's though, the left was so weakened that it stood no chance at seizing back power.

Mao, who was undeniably the greatest revolutionary of the 20th century, the greatest feminist of all time, who liberated 1/4th of humanity from capitalism/feudalism/imperialism, is simultaneously the greatest counter-revolutionary of all time.

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Deng did not come into power until the early 1980's, rather.

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Thanks mate, that was a good explanation

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Yeah I love eating grasshoppers and dirt.

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Quit fucking posting pictures of food, i'm trying to do a 3 day fast you asshole

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i mean u dont have to but it would be nice :3

Nobody likes dog-eating insect gook-chink-zipperheads

That sounds awful to do, do you have any reason in particular?

If I tell you you're just gonna try to talk me out of it or say my reasons are stupid

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Well if you are tryng to kill youself or some shit like that yeah probably, otherwise it is just curiosity

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It's a mental thing to help me to quit drinking basically. If I try to just quit and make that my goal I'll blow but if I say "Well I'm doing a three day fast" then I have a reason to not drink other than as a thing in itself so it kind of tricks my brain

After the fast I'm gonna start trying to count calories and eat low-carb. Not keto cuz I think that shit's stupid but just less carbs and better ones like green veggies and shit. It's all less to lose weight and shit and more to get addicted to something other than drinking, although I am a fat fuck who needs to lose some weight so that will be a nice side effect

It probably sounds retarded but I need something, my life is shit right now and I don't believe in God

do you usually drink with meals? what culture are you from? if you don't mind me asking?

It's not about drinking with meals or whatever, it's about trying to re-channel my addictive personality into being disciplined about something.

t. Burger

I'm the guy who asked, well, I think it is a legit cause, but probably there are better methods to do it

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this might be informative, but it leaves out some pretty important stuff, like Sino-Soviet split…

Most of my knowledge of Chinese history is the century of humiliation, 1839-1949
Here are the less conservative death tolls, source: wikipedia
First Opium War: 20,000 killed and wounded
Taiping Rebellion: Estimated 30 million dead
Boxer Rebellion: Over 100,000
Second Sino-Japanese War: Estimated to be over 22 million civilian casualties.
China was used to widespread death before Mao.
Great Leap Forward: 23-55 million depending on source.
Cultural Revolution: 750,000 - 10 million depending on the source.

Don't forget 20% of the population being starving opium addicts for centuries