Fixing Africa

Lately I saw this Article on a reactionary subreddit (I like to scour them to see if I can disturb their safespace): thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/369937,Polish-PM-urges-new-Marshall-Plan’-for-Africa

It's an interesting idea to me. Of course a literal "Marshall Plan for Africa" would be a mess of cultural and economic imperialism, but I like the idea of sending huge amounts of funds into Africa to develop their economy. It shouldn't just be an increase in humanitarian aid though, we know that that isn't enough. Maybe we need a unified European army, enlist a bunch of aimless but intelligent young people, and send them to the African continent to help them figure things out. They wouldn't be fighting anyone, maybe we wouldn't even give them fighting gear. They'd simply be building infrastructure, educating people, helping them set up cooperative enterprises, shit like that. It would be great. A grand public works project to modernize the African continent.

Our current refugee politics is a disaster. Not only is helping the few relatively wealthy Africans who can get to Europe deeply hypocritical, it's also a brain-drain on the African continent. So how about we do the exact opposite? An act of genuine internationalism. We send our smart and competent people where they live. It would also inject a lot of that sweet Western money into their economies.

What do you think? Is there something to this idea, or would it simply be a disaster?

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Africa doesn't need money, it got plenty of money during the 1990s and then got fucked by the IMF when it went into corruption. Now what Africa needs are three things:
- Good lads to lead it
- The ability to develop internal industry and internal consumption along with trade unionism (Chongqing model)
- Actually existing social democracy based on developmentalist economics
There are a few places that have this working: botswana is one, Rwanda is another. South Africa looks like it may finally be set on heading towards that direction. One of hte big issues of Africa is its dependency on resource extraction or crop harvesting and an exports-oriented economy. One of the best things African nations could be allowed to do is actually implement tariffs.

What I'm really asking feedback on is the idea of sending western forces into Africa to help with their economic development. To me it seems like it would give alienated western kids something positive in their lives as well. Go to Africa and help them lay down roads, build schools, set up shops. Currently we see kids flooding to nationalism and other identity politics. How about we offer them something worthwhile to be proud of: Helping some of the worst regions in the world into prosperity.

I think simply getting these kids over there could do a lot of good. It'd bring their problems a lot closer to home, so that maybe we'll finally do something to fix it. The biggest risk I imagine is the development of new forms of apartheid, the Western workers being colonial masters over the Africans, but good policies to prevent exactly that could be put into place.

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It's their country. We'd make it explicitly clear that we're only there to help them achieve their goals. I'm sure some nations would trust us, and if we're successful in aiding them other nations would follow.

What Africa need is Imperialist out of it, to follow Sankara's path

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Sankara was able to develop burkina faso without a penny. It is about resource management, not the resources the continent has.

The notion of a program similar to the Marshall Plan is based on a very poor image of what Africa is really like. Reactionaries falsely believe Africans are useless lazy creatures that we keep alive for no practical reason, like pandas in mud huts. In reality, the Western world's humanitarian take on the continent is a pretense to justify the continued exploitation of its immense natural wealth. China is already investing heavily in Africa, and African economies are growing extremely fast as a result because China is helping it participate directly in capitalism instead of using it as a giant warehouse.

The world needs Africa, not the other way around. It is unthinkable to end the exploitation of the continent without ending capitalism, which means the best thing we can do for Africa is get our shit together. Even when African leaders are exploiting their own people, it is bribery from our capitalists that motivates them.

Other benefits I imagine this kind of project having:
- Establish comradery among European nations.
- Establish comradery between Europe and Africa.
- Meet the apparent desire for discipline among young western men.
- Replace our toxic military culture with something positive.
- Expand the sphere of influence of European-style democracy. (including collective bargaining etc.)
- Give young people a sense that being socially proactive brings valuable results.


I do believe that Africa has cultural problems that prevent it from becoming a successful economy. That's why a simple Marshall Plan wouldn't work. Marx stressed that successful capitalism required that the population be disciplined into it. Now, I'm not very fond of the idea of disciplining the African population into an early-capitalist workforce. Instead we could try help them avoid that misery, lead them straight into a late-capitalist social democratic kind of mindset. We simply show them how we do things. We could even make it so they have a better way of living. Introduce worker-cooperatives instead of authoritarian corporations, establish/retain more communal modes of living.

Maybe I'm being naive here though.

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was it r/neolib

I looked into this a while back by looking around on the internet and couldn't find any reliable sources on it whatsoever. Not to say that neocolonialism isn't a thing, but that pic is probably incorrect

Hardly. It is currently growing extremely fast due to China's interest in long-term investment, and there has been no shortage of left wing politics in sub-Saharan Africa, i.e. Sankara's Burkina Faso (which was memory-holed after his successor, initially hailed as a champion of liberal democracy, ended up being a massive hypocrite that made things worse). Whether the misery of early capitalism can be abated is hard to know, but it will get to late capitalism eventually.

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but that'll make the liberals cry!

Spooked-up faggot.

That shit never existed.

I am sure making western kids untraining in construction to africa to lay bricks by hand is a great idea.

Fuck off american

They have plenty of time to build up.

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Read the post you fucking mongoloid.

This picture makes literally no sense.

you aut right cucks are seriously brain damaged

You got me on the roof what about the timeline?
You could put some people in certain situations and they will always come about ahead.
Why can't they turn it around after all these years?

Because the West actively sabotages them to prevent it. Africa is sitting on some of the riches deposits of mineral resources on the planet, and strong governments able to both enforce their own regulations and set their own prices would be absolutely detrimental to the profitability of major western corporations like Apple, and would be seriously disruptive to the US's AFRICOM plans to dominate the continent. And that's aside from the Neo-Imperialism perpetrated for instance by France against her former colonies

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

Read a fucking book you retard.

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They tried, then the british or french or yanks destory it. Google Thomas Sankara.

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teach them how to do voluntary manual labour is bad?

Or, shit, just pick up a fucking newspaper.


Did you seriously miss how the US fucking leveled Libya, one of the most stable and prosperous countries on the continent? They don't like to talk about it now because it messes up their "Ghadaffi was an insane tyrant" narrative, but he and his family were actually taking steps towards liberalizing their country. There was serious speculation that in 15 or 20 years, Libya would have been a functional Liberal Democracy with a modern infrastructure, educated population, and Sweden-esque social welfare. Now it's a war-torn hellhole and has been set back a century at least.

Do you think the Empires just wiped their hands of the continent after "decolonization," said 'sorry old boy, we'll just be on our way then,' and let them alone? Do you have any idea how Capitalism works?

If you look at an old map from the turn of the 19th century, you see the Russian Empire, French Empire, German Empire, British Empire, etc. Those aren't just countries, they're discrete markets. The whole point of the Imperial system is to grab all the resources and manufacturing power that you can in order to monopolize them for your national economy. World War 1 happens when it does for a simple reason: there's no longer anywhere to colonize. Europe enjoys peace for the better part of a century not because of their superior whiteness but because they're directing their energies out into subjugating and developing the world to suit their economic interests, but once there's nowhere left to conquer they start marching their own citizens into machine gun fire.

World Wars 1 and 2 kill those closed national economies in favor of American-style "open trade." The Empire is replaced by The Corporation, but the wealth extraction continues. Instead of white people doing the grunt work of killing and digging, they pay black people to do it instead, leading to the kind of shit we're seeing in the Congo today, where expendable negroes are paid pennies to dig rare earth minerals for smart phones by hand.

And on top of all of that is just regular old Capitalism and its essential processes of wealth accumulation and extraction. When you pay people practically nothing, and then charge them most of it just to live, how exactly are they supposed to "turn it around," you fucking half wit?

You show them a fucking YouTube video. Learning how to build a wall has never been easier.

I unironically believe hardline Marxism-Leninism would be most beneficial for Africa.

Mhh I agree but I think given the conditions most African countries are economically in, some sort of Markets are needed, they need to develop their productive forces before implementing planned economies
Also does someone know if any African country has potential to have a revolutrion in the next years?

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Literally a colonialist nation in the way it exploits the DRC.

You guys are fucking missing the point.
You know what the only thing is that africa has? LABOUR POWER.
It does not have enough food (in some places), it definately does not have enough capital to multiple labour power, it does not have engineers etc.
Sending people over there to do manual labour will only further strain africa's resources, as they also have to be fed. You would be better off making them work in the first world and using their products to send africa goods and money to pay a many multiple amount of people to do exactly what you would have had them do otherwise.
Africa does not need people laying bricks, it has plenty of people that can lay bricks. It needs bricks, and machines that can make bricks, and combines to farm food more efficiently, and highly trained engineers that can fix infrastructure problems, and doctors that can heal people, and teachers that can teach people to be engineers or doctors, and solarpannels to generate electricity without relying on imports.
The last thing africa needs is uneducated people going there wasting space with the vague liberalist idea of "helping".

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what's this
did the author die halfway through making the image

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They seem to get coincidentally toppled pretty often
Good way to get toppled

So basically you want more money sent to corrupt officials with endless pockets and more imperialist boots on the ground.

You can't casually walk in there strutting around like you know better. They don't take to that. You will inevitably need protection from the war lords, gangs, petty criminals and corrupt officials.

So you'll end up just… sending more money and more firepower.

We need to stop giving Africans aid. No more food support or bailouts. Gradually decrease what they receive (like a ten year period perhaps), and make it very clear that during (and after) that period they will receive increased guidance, education and skill training.

Africa will only ever truly have a chance if they are completely unreliant on foreign aid and if they have decades, if not a hundred years, of proper education under their belt, not just for the upper classes and better-off regions.

How is China helping them participate in capitalism? (Serious question). I thought China was just building factories and mineries left and right to enable themselves to extract whatever resources they can - intending to leave as soon as they run out.

Well yeah that IS the problem.

send them to Europe

mama Merkel will pay

Time and time again they get seduced by empty populism and people who know how to play emotions. Politicians that blame others, stoke anger, etc.

Africa has had plenty of good leaders like Sankara and Gaddafi they just get shot in Western invasions and coups

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They would probably do best under a strong iron-handed dynasty that treats them like a firm father would rowdy kids. Democracy doesn't do them well.

Africa won't until they establish a culture of education and North Africa won't until they completely eradicate Islamism and fundamentalism from their cultures and reduce Islam to a cultural background.

They would have enough food in most of those places if they weren't clearing most of the arable land for use in coffee and chocolate plantations. Monetary systems are interesting. Global trade is mostly pegged to the dollar so if you want to import anything like oil, manufactured goods or even basic food products you need something you can trade for dollars. Tariffs and subsidies mean its extremely difficult to compete on selling basic food stuffs or god forbid manufactured goods. So for many African countries the choice is either sell raw resources like minerals or grow cash crops like coffee to get those dollars. The dollars can then be used to buy fuel, manufactured goods and increasingly imported food as the best land is converted to non-food crops and the domestic farming industries wither. Works well enough if you don't mind that the african countries are kept in a constant race just to stay afloat and have no chance to develop domestic industry. That is until coffee prices tank or something else disturbs the delicate balance and millions of people starve in some of the most fertile, productive land in the world since it was all bought up by large plantations.

why don't you go instead? afraid of cultural enrichment?

How about no.

They have enough food. They just need the areas that are fertile to actually produce food and to trade it with the areas that have none.

I don't see the point of sending people to farm their own lands. Take them by the hand like the retarded children they are and teach them how to farm so they can do it themselves. Perhaps even set up trade deals and the likes with other areas that we train to mine or produce other crap or what not.

They have everything they need to be succesful and self-supporting, except the culture of education. At this point they're too stupid. And I mean that in the least hostile way possible.

Don't send labour, don't send food. The more food we send, the less they produce themselves, because who buys from local farmers when you can get a bag of rice for free?

Revive these guys

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Tutsi Apologists get out.

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What Africa needs is more Thomas Sankara

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What Africa needs is actual political independence, national economical development projects, and an end of Western meddling. At most, western involvement should be limited to sending over machine tools and fixed capital that has been bought for national development, or specialists that have been hired in the same capacity.

How they are supposed to achieve that in the face of ravenous multinationals backed up by imperial military power and institutional weapons like the IMF, I haven't a clue.

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African "aid" programs are essentially huge bribes to keep mafioso african politicians subservient to their neo-colonial masters.


Isn't that the Chinese model.

Most African countries are more developed than Russia was in 1917, they should go straight to planned economy.
Dengists are economically illiterate.

This is a meme propagated by apologists of imperialism. Aid is the scraps given back after imperialism takes the cake. Get imperialism out, not the aid.

chauvinist retard
they already have the iron-handed western-backed bourg fucks you love so much, it's democracy which they lack

Communism.

In theory. In practice there is a concern (mostly in the west so buyer beware) that the Africans are not getting a fair deal; that the Chinese investment is all geared towards making the resource extraction more efficient, which is ultimately self-serving. And that the terms of the deal are lopsided: Chinese get very large concessions for extracting copper or for renting farmland for 99 years in exchange for just building a few roads.

But tbh, it's better than the western model, which is to set up NGO's, staff them with highly paid western consultants and executives, and then have the sliver of the budget that is left go to projects that look good in photo ops but don't fundamentally contribute to the development of the productive forces in society. At least Lao Yang was building a road and employing a gaggle of local African laborers.

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Africa is already done, it's what to do with those who flee. It's a question of how much destruction is caused by the population growth and migration to a tiny plot of land

This guy was already going to do his "Marshall Plan for Africa", which is why they killed him. Same with Nkrumah.

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Yeah, it's mostly a sort of anti-colonialist meme around the franc CFA.

give them free money and shit will fix itself
t. progressive

$36.6 worth of Billis emigrate out of africa every year, what is not to understand?

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Looks comfy

Why don't you fix America or Europe or wherever the hell you're from first? This is a leftist board. The way you're talking, I'd assume you already live in the full communism utopia.

Why are you trying to claim the primitive technology guy as one of you racial supremacists? I'm pretty sure he doesn't think like you. Also this:
Because the logic you're using for the left pic would also apply to the right picture because that dude didn't invent huts, he's just copying the millions of huts made around the world by various cultures throughout human history.

Try thinking for once in your life.

P.S. On top of that the dude has the advantage of the internet and the premade comfort of whatever his regular living accommodations are in which to research hut building. Jesus fucking Christ.

But once again stop trying to sully the name of every non-supremacist European to ever live.

mo money for dem programs

You so smart Mr. Nazi. Tell me more wise one.

How come this shit isn't instaban mods?

mo money
mo programs

And then what?

black ppl stop being oppressed n shiiiiiet

It would be a disaster. Africa needs new borders, ones that actually respect the different cultures.

Leftypol has many no go zones when it comes to posts, but apparently this is not one of them.

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First picture is Cairo, part of the MENA region, not sub-saharan Africa. The second picture must be part of a rich neighborhood, there is no way that kind of living standard is common in African cities. Third pic is Addis Ababa, which has tons of poverty. It ironically used to be quite high in terms of HDI in the 50s but since the population grew it's really bad.

Yea truly the home of the gods…

why was I banned exactly? I posted a screenshot. i never said it was 100% accurate. Mugabe is a piece of shit on the payroll of the IMF what's the issue? Yes I disagree that the USSR's role in this was as depicted but that's like 1% of the general over-view.

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whats it like being a complete and total fucking retard who doesn't even have the slightest clue whats going on

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No. Sending money and goods into a foreign economy causes inflation. Africa has trouble because of foreign aid.

China in 1949 there had worse standard of living than many parts of Africa. It is now far better off. Foreign aid did play a significant role in China's development. However the aid China received was not money but knowledge. The USSR transferred technology and domain expertise to jumpstart China's industry, they even came close to giving China nuclear bomb and ICBM blueprints. Of course having a socialist government helped China as well allowing the state to encourage less profitable developments. The conditions that led to China's rise will probably not occur in any African state today. There is no USSR to give away technology for free (don't look to modern China to do that). African states are not large enough for resource autarky like China was. Further more China had the advantage of developing in the 1950s, where the material requirements for creating a good standard of living were lower than the standards today, far less technology was required back then. African states will inevitably have to trade with capitalist states and adjust their national economies to work within the framework of capitalism. Given their low level of industrialization, they will have a hard time competing with more developed states in manufacturing and continue on with resource extraction. It's not in the interest of any capitalist state to help Africa become a competitor.

Too bad China is colonizing the shit out of Africa

Saudi Arabia is just Islamic Venezuela
When the oil dries up they'll be eaten alive by their own semiliterate slave caste

That's why Saudi Arabia is investing in alternative energy sources.