can any of you Social Imperialists give me ONE good reason as to why I should stop being a Dengist?
Reforms Maoism
Nathan Parker
Adam Rodriguez
His foreign policy was absolute dogshit.
If China and the USSR had cooperated and fought revisionism together instead, we'd have world communism by now.
Isaac Walker
You now have your choice.
Dylan Moore
Dengism is Marxism, this isn't even a false dichotomy.
Jack Sullivan
Today I learned under Mao 85% of the population was under healthcare and Deng privatized it into a 10%
Ryder Evans
Eh. I think you'd have to be pretty damn trusting of those in power to think that Dengism is actually working towards Socialism instead of just the personal power of those involved. Sure, they couch it in terms of reaching a certain level of development, but do you see the way they go about it? Why are workers in China exploited to the degree that they are? Fuck, if you think it's OK to exploit workers in teh short term to achieve a good result somewhere down the road, that's how you go from Reformism to Socdem to Liberalism. Dengism isn't Liberal Capitalism imo, but it ain't Socialism either. It seems to me to be a post-facto attempt of the "capitalist roaders" to justify themselves and their co opting of Maoism to suit their own purposes. I'm sure there are some people in the CCCP that actually believe that they will reach Communism somewhere down the road, but they've gotta be on some serious levels of self-deception.
Elijah Peterson
You see, It's not about waiting for daddy Xi or whoever to implement communism single handedly, it's about the existing conditions of society. Communism won't come to fruition because a collective of people wish for it hard enough, but because the conditions for it have arisen. High levels of industrialization, almost complete proletariatization of the masses, et all. You want end-game capitalism with high levels of class consciousness.
Porverty is not socialism; you cannot force socialism into reality with only ideals and hard work unto any society, but you might have a chance by creating the material realities Marx accurately described.
Oliver Adams
Now that's interesting. Is that the Dengist line, that they seek to mold society such that most people are proles and are well situated to remake society?
The problem I see with that is that if we look at those in power, whether they wanted to get society to the point you describe or whether they just sought to enrich themselves off of pelf and grift, their actions would from the outside be virtually indistinguishable. The bourgeois elements of the party would surely use the same rhetoric as true believers, but theire real goals would be to maintain China as it is now, exploitation and all, just to maintain their own positions and wealth. If China were proletarianized, and the people were class conscious, then they would then institute the social revolution that would leave those currently in power out on the lurch. I just don't have it in me to trust those in power to seek to build conditions such that they would lose that power. Now, if mechanisms could be set up now to prevent counterrevolution, to prevent the bourgeois elements of the party from doing what they can to subvert the revolution, that would be a different matter. Is class consciousness actually being spread and maintained in the people, or is it merely loyalty to the state? How are the people going to be protected from reactionary elements within the military?
My critique would be that China should build the revolutionary organizations it imagines being built down the road today. Worker's councils, municipal organizations, local dual power structures.
James Hill
The US is currently the most powerful it's ever been. I definitely think China could pose a serious threat in the future but at the moment US hegemony is under no duress.
Easton Rogers
Please stop using the term Dengism, it doesn't exist