Reforms Maoism

can any of you Social Imperialists give me ONE good reason as to why I should stop being a Dengist?

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His foreign policy was absolute dogshit.
If China and the USSR had cooperated and fought revisionism together instead, we'd have world communism by now.

You now have your choice.

Dengism is Marxism, this isn't even a false dichotomy.

Today I learned under Mao 85% of the population was under healthcare and Deng privatized it into a 10%

Eh. I think you'd have to be pretty damn trusting of those in power to think that Dengism is actually working towards Socialism instead of just the personal power of those involved. Sure, they couch it in terms of reaching a certain level of development, but do you see the way they go about it? Why are workers in China exploited to the degree that they are? Fuck, if you think it's OK to exploit workers in teh short term to achieve a good result somewhere down the road, that's how you go from Reformism to Socdem to Liberalism. Dengism isn't Liberal Capitalism imo, but it ain't Socialism either. It seems to me to be a post-facto attempt of the "capitalist roaders" to justify themselves and their co opting of Maoism to suit their own purposes. I'm sure there are some people in the CCCP that actually believe that they will reach Communism somewhere down the road, but they've gotta be on some serious levels of self-deception.

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You see, It's not about waiting for daddy Xi or whoever to implement communism single handedly, it's about the existing conditions of society. Communism won't come to fruition because a collective of people wish for it hard enough, but because the conditions for it have arisen. High levels of industrialization, almost complete proletariatization of the masses, et all. You want end-game capitalism with high levels of class consciousness.

Porverty is not socialism; you cannot force socialism into reality with only ideals and hard work unto any society, but you might have a chance by creating the material realities Marx accurately described.

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Now that's interesting. Is that the Dengist line, that they seek to mold society such that most people are proles and are well situated to remake society?
The problem I see with that is that if we look at those in power, whether they wanted to get society to the point you describe or whether they just sought to enrich themselves off of pelf and grift, their actions would from the outside be virtually indistinguishable. The bourgeois elements of the party would surely use the same rhetoric as true believers, but theire real goals would be to maintain China as it is now, exploitation and all, just to maintain their own positions and wealth. If China were proletarianized, and the people were class conscious, then they would then institute the social revolution that would leave those currently in power out on the lurch. I just don't have it in me to trust those in power to seek to build conditions such that they would lose that power. Now, if mechanisms could be set up now to prevent counterrevolution, to prevent the bourgeois elements of the party from doing what they can to subvert the revolution, that would be a different matter. Is class consciousness actually being spread and maintained in the people, or is it merely loyalty to the state? How are the people going to be protected from reactionary elements within the military?
My critique would be that China should build the revolutionary organizations it imagines being built down the road today. Worker's councils, municipal organizations, local dual power structures.

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The US is currently the most powerful it's ever been. I definitely think China could pose a serious threat in the future but at the moment US hegemony is under no duress.

Please stop using the term Dengism, it doesn't exist

How do we call the thought of Deng Xiaoping then.

Isn't it just Socialism with Chinese Characteristics? iirc the term was developed under Deng's rule to differentiate from Maoism.

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neoliberalism

This board is for discussing Communism, and praxis for revolutionaries, not developmental economics. If you would like to discuss development schemes, their are plenty of other places where social democrats and dependency theorists battle it out with neolibs for hegemony, this is not that place.

Dengite opportunists sound like Mensheviks.
Literally just reading Lenin should debunk this vulgar understanding of Marx.

this is one step removed from larp


which lenin do i read to debunk deng

Here is your problem mate. He did not do anything. He just let in a lot of western companies who enjoy no regulations(high pollution) and pay very little wages.

Lelnin hat is being a pedant. Dengism is just a shorthand for Deng Xiaoping thought.


That would be imprecise.

You can always work at a Foxconn factory.

That is correct. Deng just continued Maos reactionary policies of 'new democracy'

Deng Xiaoping is an apex of Marxism-Leninism to date. However, he did not touch Maoism. His only meaningful idea was "Let's not do sweeping reforms, but instead test them out and adjust small-scale, and do many experiments like that"

And a Chinese worker gets several times of that which other Asian people who failed to do that do.

He "Just" got (expanded) the deal to get what Chinese people needed while giving out or sacrificing barely anything in return, due to great efficiency of the Vanguard Party.

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So this board isn't meant for discussing the theoretical works of Marx and thinkers following him? Oh, that's right! It's meant for aesthetic leftists to gather round the book burning campfire, and compare which third world despot is more "BaSEd".

Deng was Shit but the meme that Mao was any better is bullshit
Just look up the "New Democracy" Mao Proposed

Petite Bougies National Bougies etc

Not a Dengist, but that's straight out dishonest. China ecological footprint per capita is decent and better than those of Western countries, the smog situation is getting better every year (look up recent pictures of a Chinese metropolis).

Also tell me how to provide sufficient nutrition for 20% of the world's population with only 13% of the world's arable land.

you aight, carry on

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Now you're posting a non-sequitur.

No, this is to highlight wider LARP problems on the board. You went to the supermarket of Ideology and picked something out recently, now you feel the need to seem different, this is a pathetic thread, and you are a pathetic OP.

Semi-true., but I am not pro west, both china and west are crapitalist and suck.


1)The damage to land is done
2)They are getting better and expense of others, including outsourcing and ruining Africa and Siberia.

By not being greedy, and using good modern technologies, and not cheap ones.

Lenin actually implemented the NEP which was a state capitalist policy to develop the productive forces of the soviet union, what China is doing is really not different, it's just much longer and more ambitious NEP.