Does Zig Forums know much about the Troubled Teen Industry? Kids were and still are being sold to dangerous people by their parents to get "help" but often times this just leaves the kid with PTSD.
Tales From the Black School and /r/TroubledTeens are great resources if you're interested in this subject. This is one of America's darkest secrets and it deserves to be exposed.
The story about the gay kid is so sad. He was pretty much a 4.0 student but sent to one of those hellholes
Isaiah Thompson
Yeah there are loads of creepy "non-profits" that are exploiting these kids. Trafficking them, recruiting them to the military, using them for free labor, etc.
From what I've seen of them, they're barely effective, ultimately a waste of everybody's time, and probably just fuck up teens even more than when they first went in.
Matthew Sanders
If you don't fit into the capitalist hellscape, this is where you get sent. My parents use to threaten to put me into military school for the most benign shit e.g. mediocre grade, speaking back,taking too long in the shower etc.
Kayden Thomas
nah, kids are better than ever before
the only thing that is seriously wrong when it comes to kids, is the modern neoliberal ideology that is getting drilled in their skulls since elementary schools till the rest of their life kids are brought up believing their wealth and status in society is directly proportional to how they do in school aka "skills" kids grow up into adults thinking that if you stay in school to which everyone has equal access and in which everyone is graded fairly and equally and meritocratically, you become a highly skilled and highly educated worker and earn profitable salary
this is why today people believe capitalism is meritocratic and there's no hope for class consciousness
From what I'm seeing the schools are flat out giving up on 80% of students and only care about the ones that will be put on the college-bound track. The rest are basically left to sink or swim on their own, and maybe get into a trade school / scheme their way into some sort of skilled labor. They can go into the military too I guess, but mobilizing massive number of soldiers isn't in the imperial strategy guide these days, it's really about highly trained specialists, technology, and policing rather than 20th century tactics. That's why the change, really; they don't need the proles as soldiers so much any more, and don't really need the labor of proles that much any more (they still can't get away from labor as completely as they like, but they know they're going to get enough labor to fill their requirements and keep the populace tearing each other apart with permanent 20-30% unemployment).
Zachary Adams
lmao deluded boomer
Christian Robinson
using DSM categories for a communist is like adhering to bourgeois economics
what, do you have literature that shows socialists countries deny the existence of trauma
Easton Morgan
symptoms of PTSD pretty much only show up in people who are unhealthy mentally to begin with, ruminate all the time or they experienced constant sustained levels of traumatic stress lasting weeks to years
Joshua Lewis
Can someone explain why one could view America as the best country in the world after reading this story? Like I know this is just one person's live in this country but this reads out of something from a 3rd world.
Matthew Garcia
It's a fact parents often hire kidnappers, outright kidnappers provided by these businesses, to ensure their kids don't try to avoid the program, and its known that far too many of these programs are misery factories. The dude is using melodramatic language and metaphors but what he's describing is legitimate in substance. Kids do die in those wilderness programs from being subject to harsh weather they shouldn't be camping and hiking and excessive hard labor often in those same conditions. There are suicides caused by hazing, and religious brainwashing, and isolation from the outside designed to pacify the "delinquent" kids. His claim that a Russian kid died at Sagewalk is true, the article even mentions how the kid was blindfolded and dragged to the program.
His conspiracy claims are nonsense even in the context of his posts alone. He tries to connect some cheesy nature ritual and nicknames as something satanic or sincerely religious, and tries to connect it to typical conspiracy theories about how famous person X was an occultist, or how this ritualistic behavior that every group has is something pagan or satanic. The founder of AA for example, was just an LSD-style spiritualist like you find everywhere on hallucinogenic forums. All that is probably just him being exposed to conspiracy theories and using them to try and explain the abusive conditions he was subject too and why he was subject to them. He also tries to connect it to funding from investment companies, conservative groups and politicians, and law enforcement to prove his point, as if there aren't obvious transparent reasons why these institutions work with and invest in troubled teen programs.
It's all concentrated in conservative states where strict religious discipline, upbringing, and social norms dominate at every level. Because of this no one wants to regulate it since it succeed at creating passive, brainwashed, traumatized kids who make for good evangelical churchgoers, or soldiers in the case of military schools and "treatment programs".
Michael Carter
No. I absolutely refuse to believe that even a hundred thousand of my countrymen approve of mentally scarring children for life.
There has to be some sort of guise they use to run these things. Like how gay conversion camps were untouchable because muh freedoms and muh separation of church and state.
Then again, I suppose military school was always a thing… Fuck, man. Few words could describe the unadulterated rage I'm feeling right now. I knew I had a good childhood, but I never woulda imagined how fortunate I was.
We don't give a fuck. This shit is not isolated to these private institutions. Did you the link I provided: ?
Administrator run fight clubs are common practice in public schools and Juvenile halls and jails and prisons and have been as long as those institutions have existed.
America as a society is a dumpster fire in free fall so I don't know how this should shock you, the American religious right responsible for this and the cultural values that lead parents to these services is more insane than the public discourse allows you to know.
You need a bigger dose of the anti-capitalist pill.
I wonder if A mericans realize how crazy their society looks to Europeans. The Republican Party constitutes half of your political sphere. That's absolutely insane. Over here it's just a bunch of social liberals fighting other social liberals who sometimes don't like brown people. I'm terrified of the prospect of your insanity leaking over via the internet. We already caught the SJW and anti-SJW bullshit.
Carson Lee
Eurotrash will be swept into the dust bin of history. Your unfounded sense of moral superiority won't save you. The world remembers.
Elijah Anderson
Go back to Zig Forums please
Blake Thompson
No you euro fascist.
Caleb Williams
I'm not really claiming moral superiority. Just look at the reactions the "migrant crisis" garnered. We just seem to be less flamboyantly stupid most of the time.
Justin Reyes
It probably already is leaking. I'm brazilian and shit like anti-vaxers, flat earthers and creationist started to come up in public discourse; they aren't even bringing anything new, just regurgitating shit from badly translated texts that were written for an american public. Not to mention the afrocentrist movement that shows little to no connection to Brazilian black intellectuals of past.
Chase Morris
No here thinks this. Intellectual superiority is what we are talking about
Dude you russian? Russian are as smart as European. Eurasianism is a thing
Thomas Moore
You sound like a racist.
Cooper Ward
Americans are not a race.
Josiah Gray
Where is your amerimutt image? C'mon you don't have to be ashamed to say why you really hate Americans.
Samuel Young
Yeah, the people in the program have nicknames. I never claimed that wasn't true, or that he wasn't in the program, but their names all have wilderness themes in a wilderness program, that's not exactly weird. There is not one way you can construe his post as evidence of a conspiracy beyond "let's make a business that abuses dysfunctional kids into behaving like good obedient christian children".
Brayden Collins
No no. I'm mixed race myself. Contrary to americans I'm not obsessed by race, I don't fetishize nor discriminate. I'm not gonna even make fun of their fatness because while there are many fat people it's not as common as the internet thinks. It's their vapidity that it's truly scary. I don't even make fun of them tbh. I'm straight out scared of their mentality
Samuel Torres
Do you believe that just giving a person more material wealth and not teaching them discipline will magically make them change their behavior?
If that were true, then all porkies would be saints.
Yep you should be. If I were a euro I would try and appreciate how truly a precarious situation you're in. Your whole continent is our vassal state:
Lucas Carter
From the 10th post:
I mean I guess it isn't necessarily about demons, but that's still a pretty fucking weird thing to be going happening at a program that alleged itself to just be about "therapy" for teens.
The US is where all the Europeans who were too repressive and prudish went to live. They started mutilating their kids' genitals back in the 1800s as punishment for masturbating.
Thomas Bailey
propaganda/hyperreality even self-avowed anarchists and socialists can't really shake the "land of the free natural rights foundin' fathers" shit. they want to believe in it. it's been exhaustively conditioned into them. brainwashing, what amounts to cartoon mind control. only part of why we're in such dire straits, but a significant obstacle.
There's a particular strain of sadism in those stories that does seem distinctly American. It's not pure sadism, neither is it simply squeezing a child for value, there's something else to it.
Luis Williams
There's also a distinct weasel-like countenance that young Evangelical men have. You can spot them from a mile away.
Brandon Martinez
I agree, world war soldiers were pussies
Cameron Morris
burger reading comprehensions strikes again
Noah Smith
Yep - something that's always interested me, too. I remember it came out during election 2012 how Romney was closely connected to a guy who ran one.
To me, not only is this stuff barbaric, but it's fundamentally a great example of why teenagers should have more legal autonomy (along with gay camps and shit like that). Legally, you can be like 5 months from your 18th and your parents have the right to hire some dudes to come in your room at night, abduct you, and take you to go to some restricted "camp" in the woods run by sadists and/or puritans. They don't need a court order or any specific reason, they just have to not like what you're doing. And then 5 months later you'd have to be released, like this was somehow reasonable up until the very day you turned 18.