Yes, this is a sub-sub-tweet. Anyway, I was wondering how prevalent this attitude was outside of the Twitter ☭TANKIE☭-sphere. I know there are some MLs that hate Anarchists so much that they spend most of their shitposting power against us instead of fascists or liberals, but this seems to be a sizable minority if not a majority of Twitter MLs, whereas I don’t see it as much here. What really pisses me off is that you literally can’t have a good faith conversation with these people. Since they consider me and my ilk to be enemy of the revolution number one (for whatever reason), they view every interaction with us as a verbal duel. Instead of viewing us as I view them, as comrades with a different ideological background and praxis but comrades nonetheless, they view us as literally white supremacists and western chauvinists.
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imo they're actually talking about the most prevalent form of anarchism, which is liberal anarchism, which supports fascism
some anarchists are good and will side with marxists, but most western anarchists are not.
reminder that 90% of the twitter left is absolute cancer. i've been on imageboards for like 4 years and the stupidity on here is nothing compared to twitter.
I'd say these types are a different beast to the kinds of tanks and Stalinstaches you'd see around here or Zig Forums. Really their main beef with anarchism basically comes down to you're a white male REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and nothing else, in which most twitter anarchists will try to counter signal with their own esjeyduba points. Most of ☭TANKIE☭ twitter is really anti Jason Unruhe and Finbol too.
Most American anarchists are insufferable but so are most American marxists
That goes double for the ones on Twitter
Take this to /leftytrash/ pls
Hal is right insofar that racism is reinforced through adopting a social role perpetuating a system of oppression. For example, a black cop reinforces white supremacy not because he is personally racist but because the role he inhabits is racist, as part of a racist system. Same goes for people who are not personally racist but are active in a racist political organisation - such as Obama deporting more immigrants then any other President combined. Racism is ultimately political, not personal.
"Whiteness", however, is a reactionary category. Racism won't be resolved through a conflict between "whites" and "persons of color", but through a class struggle of labor against capital. Sometimes this struggle unfolds in a racialized manner, but even in that regard that struggle is still not a struggle of whites against non-whites, and even if it were the case, we would not necessarily support that struggle if it turned out to be a struggle of capital against labor, or subordinated labor to capital. For example, in the case of a black boss cracking down on striking white workers, we would support the workers. But the system of racial oppression is, at least in the US, intrinsically connected to the workings of capitalism, so if the workers constructed a slogan that could be interpreted as racist, we would oppose such a slogan because the conflict isn't between non-whites and whites but between labor and capital, who's struggle is necessarily a political struggle, so framing that struggle in terms of race rather than class can undermine the independence of a working class politics.
What racism and nationalism does is divide the working class, and have the workers identify themselves with the bosses who look like them instead of their fellow workers. White labor and black labor have more common interest with each other than they do with the capitalists of their respective races. The most fundamental principle of Marxism and of Leninism is that of the political independence of the working class separate from the bosses.
Something I've never understood is how these people can talk about nebulous spooky concepts like "whiteness" as if they have a concrete, immutable existence. The fact is that whiteness, or national identity, or masculinity, have no material reality, and thus as concepts they can be reshaped in whatever form we want, and thus don't necessarily need to be opposed inherently, merely opposed in their conventional incarnation.
As an aside, Hal is wrong in condemning members of the military however. A soldier is not the same thing as a police officer, and leftist soldiers shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.
yeah, sure.
It's not that these ideas do not have any materiality, because all ideas arise from material experience, but that the ideas are abstractions, removed from the material reality that its supposed to reflect.
The problem with the postmodern obsession of finding content without form, for example, the obsession of the anarchist for "spontaneity", of finding a proletarian politics without a party to give this content political form, representing itself through attempting to construct "empty" forms without content is that there is no such thing as a formless content nor can there be a contentless form. All content have form, and all form have content. Through the act of constituting any given content, we give it form; the problem is that this constitution is not merely a mental process but a mental process that reflects a material reality. Ideas are never disconnected from materiality, but are a reflection of it.
The struggle of the working class becomes necessarily a political struggle. To reject giving form to the elemental struggle through a political organization is to submit that struggle to the already existing political forms - which is to say bourgeois politics. For without a political organization of the working class to separate itself, and maintain its own independence politically from the class of capital, working class politics will inevitably be subordinated to the politics of the bourgeoisie.
It is important to have the right ideas, to speak the right slogans, to have the right platform, because without socialist theory, there is no independent working class politics. To reject objectivity for an idealist conception of "spooks" is fundamentally anti-working class.