Zig Forumsack snitches on his petit-bourgeois dad to ICE. Zig Forums congratulates him

It is. And I don't have the best relationship with much of my family either. But I can't imagine fucking over my own damn father like that. Hell my dad was a blue-collar labourer, a trade union member, definitely not petit-bourg. And when he passes, my inheritance (split four-ways though) will be sizeable enough that it would be absolutely retarded for me to jeopardize my inheritance. Going against your own material self-interest is stupid. When you side with dress-up neo-nazis over your own family, that is when you know you're in a cult. This is some Stefan Molyneux de-fooing type of shit.

Are you the Canadian from that thread?

Because, stop. He already said he doesn't care about inheritance, he doesn't live on his parent's dime, and they actually exploited him. Him reporting his dad to ICE isn't "siding with neo-nazis", this is ICE's jurisdiction, so if he wants to report this type of crime, he has to go to them.

Snitches get stiches
Cause
Snitches are bitches

And everyone knows they are retards who don't know what they are doing/saying like this Zig Forumsack snitch, even if his father does not get arrested he will stop employing immigrants (at least illegals) and so have a lot less profits, so the Zig Forumsack son and the rest of his family will be impoverished.
A good fucking lesson about capitalism and immigration.

I did not know Engels was a fucking retard.

Wow, that's a lot of assumption to make.

But ok, it proves that Zig Forumsack is really against immigration and scabs.

Unironically good.
Businesses hiring illegally is the actual problem. Frankly, the son should press to make sure this guy gets punished for incentivizing illegal migration and actively sabotaging the labor market. Follow your dreams, Zig Forumstard!

Once again fascism proving to be a self-destructive ideology.

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Cancel the revolution guys, we capitalists now.

Not today

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unbelievably based
his dad sounds like a real peace of shit, per the thread

Dont understand why leftypol has to hate so much on this. Its not like you guys actually care about muh family values. Just lol at larping about "going against your own blood". This dude followed his ideology consequently. More than can be said about the basement-dwelling losers on this board.

selling out your blood to appease a bunch of dress-up neo-nazis is pretty pathetic.

same fags

/out/

Engels has never advocated against his own material class interests. He just merely pointed out that what he thought was the inevitably of the demise of capitalism and the replacement of it with socialism.

He advocated for communism which will end his own fucking class.

He gave money for it, he funded Marx for doing it.

I legit think that a smart enough heir could be better off under socialism/anarchy/whathaveyou, too - how many fucking grapes can one dude sit around eating all day before they feel unfulfilled and unmotivated?

Engels believed that his class was inevitably going to end anyways though. Pretty sure he didn't advocate for communism out of the goodness of his own heart or some sappy shit like that.

Let's compare Engels' advocation for communism vs. the alt-right's advocation for fascism. Engels sees the writing on the wall for capitalism. He sees socialism as inevitable.

The alt-right by contrast, being reactionaries, they are desperate to cling onto the status quo. They will buy into whatever delusion they need to comfort them. They literally choose feels over reals. The very thing they accuse the left of. They want to revert back to a golden era where white working class workers enjoyed the spoils of American imperialism. A golden era that is long gone and never coming back. When these Trump tards on Zig Forums unironically tell me that Donald Trump is a white nationalist and that the fascists are in power in America and how the fascists are going to rule again in Canada, I can't help but laugh my ass off. White racists are getting deplatformed, they are getting doxxed, they are getting fired, they are having their livelihoods ruined. And they have the audacity to say they are in charge. And that the day of the rope is coming. No, the corporations are in charge and corporations are loyal to the almighty capital, muh white race be damned.

To see Zig Forumsacks throw their own family under the bus, it is clear that white nationalism is a fucking mental illness. They are in a cult.

If so, he wouldn't give Marx fucking money to do it.

This is the crazy part, it's like he actively wants his class to end ASAP, back in the 20s.

Again, if something is inevitable, Engels wouldn't need to support Marx.

This is like saying rain is going to happen, but you still give money to the rain priest because duh…

Something was going to happen whether he helped publish those books for Karl Marx or not. The French Revolution already started to kick things off. Engels felt capitalism wasn't going to last forever and that an alternative was necessary. So he funded Marx's work.
This is similar to Silicon Valley types wanting to fund research on Universal Basic Income. Except instead of replacing capitalism completely, they introduce a hotfix to capitalism that they think will save capitalism.

So Engels would be a capitalist nowadays?

No, that's not for you to say.

Butterfly effect, if Marxism didn't take off, there's no foretelling what would happen.

The FR was turned into an imperial monarchy headed by an Emperor.

Engels was a straight and true capitalist, he was a fucking factory owner.

Sucdem detected

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I know but I mean, do Engels would advocate capitalism or communism nowadays? Considering he was wrong about the fall of capitalism back at his time.

did you even read what i said? I never said UBI was ending capitalism and even pointed out that UBI is just a hotfix to preserve capitalism.

We simply don't know but most likely he would become some sort of George Soros or a professive capitalist (he was at the time).

Even drawing that comparison is fucking retarded.
kys

You mean helping to take down formally socialist countries?
Nice try

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Considering these countries aren't socialist in the first place, so….?

Fuck off, faggot.

So socialist that tanks were sent.

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Why can't useless chuds stop themselves from blathering, when it's obvious they don't know what they're talking about?

Oh boy, can't wait for the ☭TANKIE☭s to come.

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Oh so when you call something socialist, it's socialist?

What's next? r/socialism is socialism?

Niggy, fuck off.
You didn't even know that Soros helped to crush the country till now, and it's obvious.

Why not, both call themselves socialist.

But neither was socialist.

Real socialism has never been tried.

Caught you

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You are a retard.

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Oh boy, socialism is when the USSR is good, socialism is not when the USSR is bad.

Impressive argument.

Thread got really, really sad.

Why is it so unbelievable that Engels is a George Soros-ish figure?

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You are a dipshit my dude.

How do you misread something this terribly?

Because Engels never tried to overthrow socialist countries in eastern europe

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Read related, you absolute fucktard.

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Its not necesary.
The princeple in all it variants of

Did you were molested as a child?

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I don't know what the pol faggot thinks he's going to accomplish, Porky will find some other way to exploit the labor. There's an extensive prison labor operation in America.

But hey, feels > reals for these people. Daddy probably didn't respect the kid's feefees and told him he couldn't have more vidya or something. With these snot-nosed punks it's always something like that.

I did not say those examples were wrong, I just asked you a question.
Also, those are quite extreme examples, most people don't have that kind of family hopefully and even if the Zig Forumsack father was employing illegals and his own son with poor working conditions, it's far from a rape or something like that. That's why I've asked you this question as it seems you have personnally a very negative experience with your family.

Meanwhile in the actual example and testimony

This is whats named deflectign and changing the subject these examples are independent of me and can be evaluated by everyone on his own.
And you pulled a full Ayn Rand here, what a suprise.
If you did not know Ayn Rand if asked about phylosophy of the type of The Trolley Problem youtube.com/watch?v=bOpf6KcWYyw refused to answer saying its unlikley things like this happen.
I have my own dislike of the more ficticious trolly problems and prefere more realistic examples that happened like sailors canibalising one of theri own because they did not have food. You know things that happened and are realistic.

Also Phylosophy is quite grim.
philosophyexperiments.com/fatman/
Corner cases let you evaluate rules for behaving if you encounter yourslef in a situation like this.
yet its on a gradiant there are ways for yoru father and/or mother to be compleat bastards to you while being 100% legal.

Also evaluating all posibilities and knowing them lets you think realisticaly and not spout absolute garbage like

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That's dumb tbh.
Fucking Porky's shit up and making it harder is always good.

Remember pink lines are made up or simplification/exaguration
Tell me how close to

I'm not those guys.

You seems to be fond of philosophy but not really into sociology (especially statistics), it can be very useful combined.
For example here's the prevalence of one type of family abuse :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Prevalence

Also, I would like to know if, according to you, the betrayal of the Zig Forumsack is justified or not.

Never implied you did.
Because i dont know who wrote what i simply phrase my question in a way that you can be the author or not of the

Tell me how close to my

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Prevalence
WOW lad 20% that a big number.
10%+ is also not sometihng to laugh at.

I would say that even if he blame the Zig Forumsack for betraying his father, it's not the betrayal itself that he blamed, it's the ideology. According to the poster, you can betray your family if it's for socialism, just like Engels who betrayed his own father too.

This poster had no real reason to betray his family and also probably think you should not betray your own class, except that the Zig Forumsack is not class-conscious at all and did his betrayal based on a mix of nationalist ideology, personnal reasons and to be recognized by Zig Forums.

4) in short Yes why not, what is yoru opinion?
He did not betray his father to avenge the illegals. He did it for himself and because he hates illegals and his father.
But that was the wrong way to do it because he fucked himself by doing that, like I said

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/177923283#p177927549

Whats wrong with that?
Thats reason enough.
Whats the beter one?
Depends maybey he did or not who knows. I need to see his financial conections and employement posibility/history to evaluate this.

There is nothign wrong with what he did on princeple, if it was financialy smart is another subject.

Nothing.

I agree.

A way to stop depending on his father capital and profits.

He did not precise anything like this, if he was working with illegals at his father company, then I guess he did not really have a lot of possibilities.

I was talking about the princaple of

How close to what?

Your what?

I've already said what I though about those two posts.

How close the implications of

are to my (the pink line)

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???

I know you don't agree with and you know I don't too, so why does it represent for you if it's not a principle?

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Nothing wrong with this. Granted if my Dad was petty-bourgieous I’d NEVER do this, but this guy did.

Okay this guy was totally justified, parents shouldn’t pay there kids as little as possible.

If your family members molested or physically hit you and such, then yes, the family bond doesn't mean anything. It is a two-way street.
My dad was a blue-collar tradesman. Member of a trade union. So not petit-bourgeois. But I can't imagine snitching on my old man. That's cold blooded. I can count on one hand the number of people I can trust in this world and they are all family members. Parents and siblings.

Karl Marx did not talk about abolishing the family. That kind of stuff just gives ammunition to fascists to push their ideology.

Marxism is really supposed to be about reals over feels. My dad is blue-collar not petit-bourgeois but he earned a nice wage and pension from his trade union job and the house he purchased to raise his family appreciated a lot in value. So he will be able to leave us with a nice nest egg split four-ways. What kind of sane person would jeopardize that shit unless my father literally "touched" me as a child or beat the shit out of me? Marxism is not about virtue signalling, it's about materialism. My dad was a prole. His inheritance will improve my material conditions. I would be a fucking idiot to betray my dad in the name of some ideology.

Families are literally micro-guilds that are formed between people who just so happen to be placed in it – there could and many times are reactionaries and the like in them but they remain regardless. The community suffers when all these personal cliques (families) begin to aspire to their own interests first.

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Karl Marx wanted to abolish the bourgeois family, not any kind of family.
Family would just be a different kind under communism, but still a thing.

It wouldn't be even called family then if such a drastic reconstruction of it is made, since children would be raised communally and if anything it would be a bond between two people, then being just a romantic relationship if it is not to be reactionary. Remember that there would be no inheritance or favoritism to children in this sort of way, so really in sum it could not be called a "family" any more like this.

And even then, Karl Marx would never actually expect a bourgeois family to want to break up voluntarily. Marx understood that the bourgeois want to protect their own class interests. He didn't shame the bourgeois like modern liberals do today. Marxism was never about collectivism. The idea is that the proles are going to rebel in order to improve their own material conditions.

Right-wing reactionaries, in their mind they believe that socialism will mean taking from their labour and redistributing to people that they see beneath them. "niggers", "spics", Muslims, women, poor white trash, etc. That's why Zig Forums vehemently opposes socialism.

Scratch a fascist long enough on Zig Forums and you'll understand that they don't give a single solitary fuck for poor white Americans. Zig Forumsacks are NEETs from upper middle-class families who live off daddy's money.

My mother has always considered us "upper middle-class" but I'm not a retard. I understand where shit is going. As soon as I moved out of my parents' house at 18 and started working full-time, I went from upper middle-class suburban family to living in poverty. And I'm still there. My wage is higher but so is my rent and living expenses. This is the first generation where children are poorer than their parents. You can grow up in an upper middle-class family economically and be completely fucked once you graduate if you don't have connections (my family were blue-collar, they have no "connections") or just don't cut the mustard with the bourgs/HR for whatever reason.

Zig Forumsacks however are mostly teenagers and young adults who haven't thought far enough to think about what is going to happen when their parents die. lol. Or they automatically assume that everything is going to fall into place for them after they graduate from college.

has there ever been a fake deeply triggering and problematic hate crime? I've literally never heard of one.

Right, but there's still a measurable difference between turning your family in because they are actively contributing to human suffering and turning them in because they don't have a piece of paper that says they should be able to work beyond a certain imaginary line.

Yep, only ancaps and mutuals will defend his dad.

bourgs and petit-bourgs don't give a single solitary fuck about their employees. Period. They just use them. There is no hypocrisy there. The bourg look down on the people they employ all the time.

Mutuals don't employ anyone, Mutalism is about co-ops and you can't have co-ops with illegals anyway.