This is when you know moral nihilists are more of a danger to socialism than it is to anything else. EVERYTHING is spooks to you people, fuck off.
Environmentalism: households and industry
Evan Reyes
Easton Bell
One of the central tenets of environmentalism - less so than reducing waste - is that the "environment" - and by extension nature - somehow needs to be "preserved".
That there is some inherent worth that "nature" possesses that is somehow separate from it's immediate utility to human beings. It's crypto-religious idealism, and runs contrary to both revolutionary intentions of socialism - that is, overcoming the present state of things - and a materialist understanding of the world and our role in it.
Uh. No.
This is exactly the sort of ideology at the heart of reactionary bourgeois ideology. No no, if we change anything all hell will break lose!
In reality, the "environment" was already being radically altered thousands of years ago, and humanity thrived not just regardless of it, but because it altered it's environment, and thus entered history.
Read PDF related to see how humanity has altered the world since the dawn of history, and we haven't somehow gone extinct because of it.
You talk about socialism, but all I see is bourgeois reactionary ideology.
Read Rafiq. Or that link I posted earlier.
Bentley Rogers
Lol
Josiah Sanders
Don't destroy the things that produce oxygen, though.
Noah Jones
Next you'll post some Zizek and more Stirner memes and continue justifying why you're an ignorant cunt.
Only because like capitalism itself we've been pillaging nature non-stop so we keep growing and ignoring the effects it has on non-'civilized' creatures like us.
Humanity did not have any power to seriously alter the world until the industrial revolution. Prior to that the most they did was drive European cave lions to extinction and build cities, the effect of which was negligible on the environment because of how primitive it was.
Come industrialization we've produced massive amounts of pollution, thinning our atmosphere and exposing us to cancerous rays of the sun, we've poisoned the fish in many areas making them dangerous to eat in large amounts (poison such as mercury or pesticides accumulates in the body passively of smaller animals, but if we eat to many of them we get massive doses). Not to mention eradicating massive swathes of forest that will take an entire century to even begin recovery on its own.
This ignores the possibility of nuclear war; It took a while for Hiroshima to recover and those bombs are tiny compared to regular nuclear warheads of today and how easy it would be to upgrade them to cobalt cased bombs
We have survived through sheer dumb luck and greedily ignorant consumption.
At this point we've strained ALL the earths easily available resources and polluted every environment known to mankind. The effects on humanity are visible.
E-waste like this: youtube.com
is everywhere. The water is rising, the environment is dying and humanity has started to as well, we shouldn't have to wait for it to start really rolling to act, because by that point we'll have lost.
Sebastian Diaz
This thread convinced me eco-posadist gang is right
Aaron James
eco stalinism has already been tried.
the result: the aral sea no longer exists and egregious pollution and environmental destruction kek
Bentley Cruz
the problem is that there are unintended consequences to destroying ecosystems and environments. it's not just a matter of crude arithmetic.
it's called precaution. there are unintended consequences to destroying species and ecosystems in which they inhabit.
Brody Richardson
all that said i agree with you. we already killed off the megafauna and almost every part of our planet has been altered in some way by humans in the last 2000 years to the extent that nothing we see is "organic" result of millions of years of evolution
Julian Gonzalez
Yes and before Khrushchev it was massively successful:
ng.ru
"Moscow has also the most scientific garbage disposal in the world. All the waste of this great city of more than 4,000,000 people is first used in "biothermal processes" which heat large "greenhouse farms" from underground. When the garbage and sewage is thoroughly rotted in this quite odorless manner, it is then used as a fertilizer for ordinary farming." - Anna Louise Strong reported in 1942
This was dismantled under Yeltsin and Putin and the residents of these areas are rioting right now.
False, the Aral Sea was fine even in 1989, The effects of water depletion were noticed by the USSR in the 70s (following a review of Khrushchevite idiocy) and a plan made to counter it. It was successful enough to prevent any further drying up of the sea, however Gorbachev cancelled it and Yeltsin ignored it leaving the Aral Sea to destruction. Nothing to do with the USSR at that point.