Political Stance Evolution

12-15 edgy social democrat calling himself socialist because everyone thought socialism was the evilest thing ever.
15-19 edgy anarchist
19-20 edgy leninist
20-today edgy stalinist

Opened up to Stalin by reading Zizek and Caio Prado Junior. In Defense of Lost Causes is a great book and more people should read it. At least I've never stopped believing that all business owners(i.e. bourgeois) should be executed.
Stalin is a mediocre theorician, Lenin is far better.

Op here. Yes I have that book In Defense of Lost Causes, and am currently working through it. My first impression is that it makes intriguing points, and so far I'm thoroughly in agreement with the majority of it. I find his work a particularly useful reference for combatting incorrect takes on socialist revolutions, and correcting porkies ever present propaganda. Reading Mao so far has been the biggest influence on my transition from a liberal democratic socialist mindset to a revolutionary Leninist. I used to have disdain for the way Bolsheviks undercut the Mensheviks, but Mao makes clear the issues with counter revolutionary tendencies in his essay 'Combating Liberalism' (a must read for anyone who doesn't understand why socialists take issue with liberals). All in all a study of philosophies, autobiographies and struggles from 3rd world revolutionary figures should be a prerequisite for anyone serious about a socialist revolution in their country. They all faced off against Western Capitalist sabotage and attitudes which make their stories and experiences particularly relevant to revolutionarism in this stage of the global capitalist hegemony. The attitudes in the populaces they helped win over weren't terribly different from what you would see in modern Northern America. Perhaps that's why the schools, politicians and media have went to great lengths casting them as madmen fighting """"lost causes""".

Also, Stalin's writing is great to reference when in the midst of fascists or wishy washy liberals. It's effect tends to give the people's cause an dramatically radical tone and thus creates the realization that communists indeed are not ordinary political activists.

Never neglect your studies or rely on your meritorious laurels.

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Some of these might be a bit contradictory here and there, but my opinions would change heaps. Also, I got picked on in school around year 7 and 8 and it turned me into a fucking arsehole (so I'm a bit embarrassed by my views from then).

Early life-Highschool: Unconscious Christcom/Catholic ☭TANKIE☭, Socdem ALP/Labor advocate, unconscious USSR sympathiser, unconsious Anti-Capitalist Zealot, Rudd supporter
Year 7: Catholic Zealot, Feudalist, raving misogynist/Anti-Feminist, Imperialist, reactionary liberal/socdem, Civic Nationalist, uninformed Pro-Israel, Islam sympathiser, somewhat Anti-Capitalist, Rudd supporter
Year 8-10: Misanthropic Nihilist, reactionary liberal/socdem, Atheist, Civic Nationalist, Anti-Feminist, uncritical Anti-IdPol, Gamer-Gater, USSR sympathiser, somewhat Anti-Capitalist, Rudd/Gillard supporter
Year 10-12: Demsoc/Anarchist, Wiccan, progressive, Anti-Nationalist, unconscious Social Justice advocate, Feminist, Pacifist, USSR sympathiser, Anti-DPRK, Anti-Assad, Environmentalist, hippy
2015-Early 2017: Demsoc/Anarchist, agnostic Neopagan, progressive, Social Justice advocate, Anti-Nationalist, Anti-Fascist, Anti-Pacifist, USSR sympathiser, Feminist, Anti-China & DPRK, over a dozen US military bases in Syria/YPJ supporter, Environmentalist
Mid-2017-Now: Yugo-Tankie, Asatru, State Socialist, Market Socialist, Cannabis advocate, IdPol critic (but I still sympathise with SJWs), personally conservative but socially progressive for everyone else, Left-wing Australian Nationalist, global Pacifist, Pro-China & DPRK, Ba'athist sympathiser

Not trying to judge you, but I wouldn't trust someone who has had such radical changes in his beliefs in a relatively short period of time.

That's alright, I get what you mean. As I said, part of those was motivated by being picked on in school which made me hate everything. It was after that stopped that I pulled my head out of my arse and went German style 'never again' and became and SJW. It was around 2016/2017 that I heard of leftypol which has got me thinking how I think today (you guys are great by the way). But I think fundamentally I've always been an anti-capitalist, that's never really changed.

Am I the only person who read Animal Farm and moved further to the left?

I guess if you have always been anticapitalist that's what truly matters

I mean, not me but imo Animal Farm (as a socialist, most importantly, non sectarian socialist) is much more enjoyable if you don't see it as stalin bashing but just simply as how power can corrupt people. Also, even though it was written in 1946, there were points in it where I didn't interpret what Orwell was trying to say as anti-MLism, but as how the USSR kept turning more and more revisionist by the years.

I mean it is kind of a charicature of Trot ideology, but it really depends on how seriously it was meant to be taken. I've often seen it referred to as satire, and I think it was probably Orwell just being a shitposter, at least in part.

Also something that always perplexed me about why conservatives liked it was that it never once suggested that capitalism was superior to socialism, or that they were worse off for the revolution. The last scene pretty clearly shows that the pigs and the humans have become indistinguishable from one another, not that the pigs are in any way worse. If it promotes any ideology it pretty clearly seems to be promoting some form of anti-ML socialism like left-communism or anarchism. In fact the initial period of the revolution, and Lenin's character Old Major, both come off quite positively.

Imo that last scene can be perfectly interpreted as the pigs (soviet politicians) finally reverting back to capitalism and becoming what they were supposedly fighting against, being a pretty metaphorical criticism against revisionism (even if Orwell himself didn't witness it).

So I never changed that much fundamentally, just deepened my understanding of politics over time.

You are a fucking liberal

keking at all the 20-22 year olds in this thread

Bruh

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A lot of neo nazis are into SocDem/Keynesian economics.

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Nazis were actually SocDem. Just edgy Socdems

I've never known politics as something as mercurial and transient as people make it out to be.

Well, obviously.

SocDems vs Nazis

Which Turd Positionism caused more damage?

They sort of sold that appeal but they actually privatized a lot industry so its hard to call them such, however they are SocDem compared to the republican party, or even the democratic party for that matter

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Source on that pic?

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In about 7 years

*Reads Animal Farm*
*Reads Assata Shakur's biography*
*Reads Goldman*
*Reads Kaneko Fumiko's biography*

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what?

that is basically the point, the revolution and its gains were gradually reversed even as the trappings remained still
at the end, the supposed "Animal Farm" was not much different from the old exploiters, and even the revolution itself became proscribed

exhentai.org/g/762680/b69ac74276/

I suppose I should mention I started my Nazbol phase in 2013, while it was still a fairly obscure tendency.

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My opinions have evolved quickly and all over the place for the past 6 years. Bare in mind I started getting into political thought when I was 14, I'm 20 now. This is gonna be a long one so get comfy and enjoy the cringe

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I did. Read it at 12 as i recall, a good while before i got coherent political views or started identifying myself with any and Animal Farm convinced me the Soviet Union was a good endeavor basically. I recognised stuff like Old Major being Lenin and it being a historical allegory and was also told that animal farm demonstrated why socialism was bad and the ussr didn't work. After reading I just ended up being convinced that Old Major was right, the animals were fully justified to kick out the humans and run the farm themselves, they were more competent and vigorous at it managing major feats of development that the humans had no interest in doing themselves.

tbqh I probably would have become a Christian fundamentalist were it not for Animal Farm

1. apolitical both sides are wrong south park garbage
2. israel is kinda shitty but whatever its not my problem
2. socialism can never work. human nature. ussr was evil. evil north korea
3. socialism can and will work
4. death to the colonial project israel
5. only through communism can we end literally everything wrong with the planet
6. stalin did nothing wrong

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That's an oxymoron.

youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

a lot of people in this thread need to watch this.

why is leftypol so pitiful

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Burger detected

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1.What's even the point of the market
2.read marxist theory

1. Lolbert before I learned that alternatives to capitalism exist

2. Demsoc

3. ML

The more accurate position is that conservatives are liberal. Only some liberals are 'conservative', whereas all liberals are right-wing and all conservatives are liberal.

Why? I would guess most people here are familiar with Wolff's takes (socialism=worker co-ops, USSR=state capitalism, etc.).

Gradual shift from idealism to materialism.
1. The system is fine, ("economic") leftism/communism is evil, history is a struggle of good vs evil, and degenerate and corrupt elements are to blame for society's failures. I.e (crypto) fash
2. The system is flawed and triggers it's own crises, communism as a movement makes sense, it's in the interests of the downtrodden to emancipate themselves from a system that exploits them
Curiously enough, still a reactionary. Also environmentalism is spooked

I'm kidding about that last one, but I'm not so far from it tbqh

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Classical liberals are still liberals.

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uneducated burger, what you call "liberals" are social liberals, while "conservatives" are conservative liberals. both are reactionary positions that aim to preserve the status quo, hence both are conservative in nature

RIP in peace burgeranon.
You've come a long way.

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I HAVE YET TO FIND ONE CRIME, ONE CRIME

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his only crime was being a communist, the only ones pressing that charge are bourgeois

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Guess I'm a mutualist/ML mix

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I've never actually understood why people think Animal Farm is anti-communist, Eric Blair was a socialist, a strange one indeed, but still left-leaning. The book itself doesn't portray socialism as something bad, quite the contrary. The only thing Orwell describes as purely evil is Bonapartism, i.e. IRL Stalinism.

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Well, people usually take a political stance for life once they reach 25-30, so they're not exactly wrong.

You would be amazed by the level of intellectual dishonesty in burger education. All of the relevant context surrounding Orwell's works is essentially memory holed.

I went basically like this from ages 12-20
get on my level, all you pseudo-leftoids who'll just be boring socdems by the age of 30

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Leftist is generic as fuck as a term.
It could mean anything from redliberal to stalinlover

Trips confirm this shit.

1. Nationalism
2. Communism
3. Liberalism

1.) libertarianish because i think war and non-self-defense militaries are a waste of money, and i hate nanny states and bylaws
2.) social democrat because look at the standard of living and lower inequalities of denmark, finland, norway, etc.
3.) democratic/market socialist because essentials need to nationalized and non-essentials need to be cooperatized with start-up financial assistance from the state

You can't be serious. He massacred a quarter of his country's population. Half the people who lived through the Khmer Rouge era have PTSD, and they passed some of the symptoms onto their kids through learned behavior. Cambodia is still a very rough place because of the diminished sense of community, and the feeling there's a struggle to survive. The quality of education still isn't what it was before the Khmer Rouge. All this set Cambodia up for rampant exploitation.

I've lived in Cambodia, and the country's scars are obvious. I urge you to go, to test your theory. Be a Maoist if you want, but being in any way sympathetic to Pol Pot is beyond the pale.

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Animal farm is at worst a Trot/leftcom/anarkid shitpost. It’s very obviously not anticommunist.

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1.) I hate women, neocon for life
2.) man neocons and Clinton are the same thing, Buchanan is based
3.) Paleolibertarian hell
4.) AnCap hell
5.) wtf we need Pinochet
6.) Pinochet fans hate the poor, National Anarchist it is
7.) hmm, what's so bad about Socialism?
8.) NutSac hell
9.) Hitler is a dick, Asserist now
10.) Asserists are toxic, I am Nazbol
11.) (still on my woman-hating shit) Kurds are imperialists and women can't fight
12.) further down the rabbit hole: I like Georges Sorel and Proudhon but want Agrarian Socialism too
13.) I want to combine Mao with Monarchism and Primitivism

Hah, I only became a socialist after I turned 30.

I am a living meme

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guess you and I are on the same page.

…are you serious?

Maybe they're fond of the extent of power an autarch wields?

1. Burger Democrat
2. "Fuck democracy, lets go Monarchy
3. Fredrick the Great had the right idea
4. "Fuck Monarchy, it did a lot of horrible shit"
5. Read Animal Farm
6. "Stalin fucked the revolution, uphold the thoughts of Lenin!"
7.Ok, the Problem is not Democracy it is Capitalism.
8.Fuck Representative Democracy, Uphold Direct Democracy
9. Vanguard Parties seem to devolve into dictatorship
10. An-Com
11. Communalism

With such schizophrenic ideological "beliefs", you're bound to go back to some retarded made up shit. Then again, "maoist primitivist monarchism", yeah nvm you're already retarded.

You remind me of a guy I go to school with. Militant ☭TANKIE☭ who also loves the British monarchy.

Maurras and Sorel proposed the idea long before any of you NEETs were born. your move, meritocuck.

retardation is a classist slur used by educated urbanite faggots who want rainbow painted sidewalks but also spike on underpasses to combat homelessness..

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Meaning not part of a system in a state. A lot like a Sorelian idol that more "rules" though a Myth (Pretty much a spook of them being important and representative of the worker's revolution) and thus influences policy with that Myth of power and importance around them. A tyrant with a system is bound to fail, a tyrant who only rules with a Myth of a certain ideology and ideal around them can spearhead the revolution, if they are truly a great person.

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1)Cambodia got it rough
2)Shit, the Khmer Rouge was worse than I thought
3)Pol Pot is a moron
4)Wait, this guy was educated among intellectuals in a first world country?
5)Wait, some leftists supported a government that conducted ethnic cleanses? Other leftist were on the same side as the US gov? Noam Chomsky was a genocide denier?
6)The Khmer Rouge is peak left disunity.

neat

straight to Marxism Leninism reading up on it starting with Marx over the period of a decade before i considered myself adherent to it, starting with nothing but curiosity in history class, discarding Anarchism, ⛏️rotskyism, Maoism, Nazism, Liberalism and so on, as well as "arguments" against Marxism Leninism, and everything else i looked into on my way there, as an unreasonable waste of time.

btw these threads keep reinforcing in me the conviction that 90 % of you are fucking retarded and the erratic development of your believes, i wouldn't call this a "political evolution", validate me in my rejection of every single one of your ideologies as inconsistent and gratuitous if considered from any other angle than your social circles you're trying to fit into

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Well then

Then my grandpa got in my life, although I wouldn't call him a fascist he still leaned hard right.

I know not what tomorrow will bring

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