Al Gore

It wouldnt have ended capitalism by any means, nor would it really better the immediate conditions of the American poor, but the election of Al Gore in 2000 was the beginning of late stage capitalism, and the beginning of the end for the world

That being said, was this timeline too blessed for humankind?

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*NOT electing Al Gore in 2000

Maybe he would have picked up the phone when the alphabet agencies called on September 8th and we would have gotten another feel-good decade.

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Doubt it. 9/11 almost certainly would have still occurred, along with everything that followed, save possibly Iraq.

He would have been a one-termer, dragged down by lingering Clinton sleaze and the powerlessness of his party. My theory is he gets inaugurated but impeached shortly after because congressional Republicans cook up an election fraud scandal. The Bushes, CIA and company delay 9/11 until one of their guys is in the white house.

It doesn't matter because American elections at that level are rigged. Al Gore wasn't going to be president, and it wouldn't have mattered if he was because Gore was a hawkish conservative. Everything Bush did for the national security state would have happened under Gore, Iraq would have happened, and America's stance would be the same. There might have been a slight difference in who benefits from the spoils, that is what American politics is really about and whatever you want as people is shunted to the wayside. But, Bush Jr. and the cronies around him were practically ruling this country as a dictatorship, and the Bush family's tentacles run deep. They're not going to give up power and they're not going to give up their agenda of making America an outright Nazi country, fitting with their beliefs. Bush was going to win, and Jeb was about to win except that they needed to sell Trumpian bullshit since conservatives largely HATE the Bush family (but they're still fascists, of course).

I dream about this universe


The security state came around because of 9/11, and we can argue whether that wouldve been prevented or not, but its higher chance it wouldve with Gore in office. I agree with alot of what you say about america at its core, however. As a brit,i hate to say ive fully given up on it ever seeing the light for democratic change.

Im skeptical on this, i think there wouldve been other plots sure, but we know the Bush admin straight up ignored intel they were given. I cant imagine Gore doing that, sure a quick read and toss, but not entirely disregarding

The National Security Act of 1947 and other acts implemented at that time essentially turned America into a police state. Blame Harry Truman, but considering the situation he really had no other choice. The Patriot Act just stepped it up, and essentially dropped the veil (the "revelation" conspiracy theorists keep yammering about was actually that, yet the rightists are still shitting their pants about a future that has already come).

Maybe I'm wrong though and Gore demonstrates some level of independent competence that Bush Jr. lacked, and would realize that the American regime could maintain the fictions of the post-60s consensus. (Nixon's election was pretty much another turning point for America become more of a police state, the story I heard is that Johnson left Nixon with papers essentially declaring martial law then and there.)

watching the burns documentary on Vietnam and it wouldnt suprise me. LBJ was going insane and sincerely thought the government wouldve been toppled by the anti war movement.