Ruling Communist Party newspaper Granma published a summary of the new constitution on Saturday...

"officially" is the key word.

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I wonder what will happen to this board when KJU becomes the new McDonald mascot in DPRK.

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The DPRK Stands firm

The most recent english language articles on the new constitution drafting process:
en.granma.cu/cuba/2018-06-04/commission-working-on-constitutional-reform-holds-initial-sessions
en.granma.cu/cuba/2018-06-11/commission-developing-draft-proposal-of-a-new-cuban-constitution-continues-work
en.granma.cu/cuba/2018-06-15/first-draft-of-proposed-new-constitution-progressing
en.granma.cu/cuba/2018-07-04/central-committee-plenum-analyzes-first-draft-of-proposed-constitutional-reform

I'm pretty sure this spanish language article summarising the proposed constitutional reforms is the one all the western media are referring to.
granma.cu/cuba/2018-07-13/vision-hacia-el-presente-y-el-futuro-de-la-patria-13-07-2018-20-07-04

In some ways this is just the official codification of what has already been going on. Then again, this is only a first draft things may still be added or removed, moreover it can only be ratified by referendum so in the end whatever the policy of the party, the cuban people will be the ultimate judges of these proposed 'reforms'.

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Che's fucking ghost is going to run in at the last minute.

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I am ready for the Big KJMac.

Yo Stirner old friend, Cuba is doing some spooky shit, can you intervene?

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What people need to understand is that societal progression isn't preset or linear and we are more likely to end up in some NRx Blade Runner / AnCap world at this point then we are to end up at socialism or communism

I wanna buy Child Sex Slaves for a Private Army to bring about Communism

By attempting to abolish the state, Ancaps will pave the way to communism

It was this or being invaded by the US…the same will be happening to DPRK.

>The recognition of the existence of private property has generated more than a few honest concerns from participants in the discussions prior to the Congress, who expressed concerns that on doing so we would be taking the first steps towards the restoration of capitalism in Cuba. In my role as First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Party, I have the duty to assert that this is not, in the least, the purpose of this conceptual idea. This is precisely about, compañeras and compañeros, calling things by their name and not hiding behind illogical euphemisms to mask reality. The increase in self-employment and the authorization to contract a workforce has led in practice to the existence of medium, small and micro private enterprises which today operate without proper legal status and are regulated under the law by a regulatory framework designed for individuals engaged in small business conducted by the worker and his/her family.
- Raul Castro

en.granma.cu/cuba/2016-04-18/the-development-of-the-national-economy-along-with-the-struggle-for-peace-and-our-ideological-resolve-constitute-the-partys-principal-missions

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The point is to change it.

FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH CUBA, NOW THE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF KOREA IS MY BEST FRIEND

amen

Well the thing is the amendments have to be approved by referendum, there is a chance the Cuban people could reject this…

What a tragedy.

Cuba was never really any kind of socialist state. In the cold war, a lot of national-liberation/patriotic forces in the neo-colonial/colonial world claimed communism in order to receive support from the USSR/China. In reality, most of these movements were purely nationalist or left-nationalist/social-democratic based movements. Even in countries that did legit attempt to build socialism, these forces existed to a large degree in the ruling communist parties. In China and Vietnam, most of the party right wing were social-nationalist. Deng, for example, was a social-nationalist who bonded with the communist party as he saw it as the best vehicle for achieving a strong, nationalist Han-Chinese state.

Some examples of such movements/states include Bangladesh (still ids as a "socialist state" in its constitution today), Angola, Khmer-Rouge Cambodia, Laos, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Somalia, Yemen. India (also ids as a "socialist state" today), Myanmar, etc etc.

Cuba was also such a state. While there were legit communists who fought in the revolution, and who served in the govt (eg, Che Guevara, who aligned closely with China when Lin & Chen were at the heads of foreign policy) Fidel, and likely Raul, along with most of the party were just social nationalists and anti-imperialists who saw the Soviet/Chinese sides of the world as more progressive, and generally better for Cuba.

The official story is that Cuba kept secret the fact it was a "socialist state" for a while. This was essentially a cover story, as initially, Fidel was hoping to play a similar strategy to Saddam Hussein or Duterte - that is, play off both sides of the cold war to receive the most support/independent in developing. In all likely hood, Fidel would have been more than fine with Cuba remaining a US-puppet state if he had have been allowed to go through with massive social-democratic economic/social reforms. But the US wasn't willing to budge, so Fidel was forced to go over to the Soviet side, and that meant claiming communism.

After the fall of the USSR, Cuba was backed into a corner with its own mythology. When you've been centring the mythology of your state - of your revolution, around the idea of it being guided by a certain ideology, you can't drop it without dropping your entire mandate to rule as a state. And the US certainly wasn't willing to budge in allowing Cuba some independence, thus the socialism myth remained.

Under Obama, this began to change - Obama signalled that he was willing to allow Cuba to take the vietnamese path - remain semi-independant, and adopt a capitalist market economic while ( albeit with social democratic concessions) with retaining their socialist mythology. Cuba saw this as a way out, and bit. The current ruling regime in the US has reversed this policy, but there is still huge support for a re-integration of Cuba among the US ruling class - so Cuba is continuing down the path that Obama enabled.

In short, none of this should be a surprise to anybody. Cuba will continue claiming "socialism" for as long as the current state exists (Like the "P"RC or Vietnam, Laos, India, etc), however it will continually liberalize - slowly at first, but then later, much faster. This has been an inevitability since around the 1970's.

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I TOLD YOU, YOU CAN'T TRUST POST TOTALITARIAN STATES
I WARNED YOU BRO GO FULL AUTHORITARIAN OR GO HOMO/ANARCHIST

Socialism in one country BTFO episode 201842
When will the ebin TANKEE lern

Feel free to provide sources for your unfounded slander any time..

Socialism is a failure, praise the market

Cuba needs to embrace real socialism

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What are you yapping about? This literally just recognizing the already existing black market. It can't be regulated if it is not recognized and it would start to eat away the enomy and the cuban state if not dealt with in some fashion.

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So the market is real human nature?

Cuba needs to implement cybernetic socialism ASAP. It will curb black markets to a large extend.

No, but black markets will exist wherever the state fails to provide the goods people want. The most important thing that modern socialists need to figure out is a planning system that actually delivers decent consumer goods, since most socialist countries have been woefully inadequate in this area. That breeds black markets, corruption, and throws a wrench in the whole planning apparatus.

such as? people want to drive mercedes and own an iphone and a playstation? fuck off…if people seek black market, just kill them and hang their bodies in public squares to set an example. problem solved

Most needs in todays consumer hellscape are manufatured by advertisers to create demand whre it would not otherwise exist. Hang the advertisers with the porkies in public squares not the prole consumers.

Fuck off there's nothing wrong with smartphones and vidya

Ehhhhhh, I don't know. I always thought having a computer in your pocket would be a cool idea. Instead we got megatons of cancer and an increase in alienation. Maybe the real problem is social media. If not, then cell phones should have stayed just basic phones.

this place has become so fucking retarded lately

I don't know whether it's because of mods or summer

because before the non recognition implied that the private property was somehow not permanent, and that the state could make it go away any time, now the revision is set in stone, and thus cuba can't go back now

Sounds like cuba is living in a libertarian society. All these small self employed people is a clue. I wonder what the lolberts would say once these small land owners eventually become the next John Rockefeller. They would probably call the company communist or some shit, or that they got help from the state at some point so it wasn't true capitalism(tm) for some idealistic notion.

OH NO NO NO NO

Alright, I'll bite. How does this show that communism can't win? Island nations like Cuba can't grow without trade, and Cuba is heavily sanctioned, so this is a tactical concession to the realities of the present geopolitics, and not due to anything internal.

I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. That Cuba, despite the fact that it is doing much better in life expectancy, education, and quality of life than almost all nearby capitalist nations in the region, still can't grow without international trade? Well that would be true for any small country regardless of its economic system, if under sanctions.

Imo smartphones are basically a medium for surveillance and preserving the monopoly of outdated telecoms. Idk how it works in Cuba, but when you consider how much it costs to send a long email vs. how much it costs to send a short text, it's obvious that it's a con.

Reversing this seems like it would be extremely difficult. They could potentially land in a China-like situation where they could simultaneously retain some authoritarian policies while liberalizing expressly for trade, which would mean more revenue for the state and more power to business interests while citizens have no power to communicate resistance. This way, the leaders preserve their positions with international support as well even if the benefits of the policies diminish.

On the other hand, if they further liberalize policy for citizens that effects social life (like wrt internet access) as well as trade opportunities, then all of the changes will be associated with capitalism and a flood of targeted propaganda will hit the public supporting this notion. This way, though life for citizens would be better than in an authoritarian capitalist state, popular support for capitalist reforms could potentially snowball and prevent successful returns to socialism.

this is a great step forward for socialismo. there's no one size fits all approach that's right for everyone. they're just building socialism with cuban characteristics.

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…didn't they just elect a lot of women to the parliament too?
: ^)

Bury the past where it belongs, all that is left is to analyse the present, and chart a course for the future.

Recognizing the black market, doesn't mean you have to recognize private property in your constitution. Simply legalize the market while maintaining restrictions as necessary.

Also, do you honestly think Castro would approve of this? I doubt it.

Che got shot 9 times for this.

No I’m talking more like coffee, butter, sugar, hygiene products, meat, etc. Things that in this day and age shouldn’t be considered luxuries. Don’t play into the rightist charicature about communists by saying “What are people complaining about? They have potatoes and spam! What more do they want?”. We need to admit the flaws of past and current socialist experiments if we are going to achieve our goals, and one of those persistent flaws has been shortages of fairly basic consumer goods.

There is a difference between simple home luxuries and lavish purposeless goods that assholes buy as status symbols.

Read a book. Like, any book.

top laff, read a book

Feel free to kill yourselves. I cant understand how stupid some of you are. Its a wonder of the world.

this is it lads.

Is there a single non-revisionist state in existence? Fuck

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There was until 1979.

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How’s that dialectic working for you lads?

Good analysis and interesting read user

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In the bigger states thats not true, in the smaller states, obviously, because they cannot develop their productive forces, a similar situation in most poor countries but keep jabbering your shit puss, im sure another gringo will believe you

Not a Dengist, but the fact you didn't even read the Wikipedia article of Deng makes me think you are full of bullshit. The degree of which the DotP was established in Cuba was much, much larger compared to India, Bangladesh, etc.

Didn’t the GDR have chronic shortages of goods such as coffee?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_coffee_crisis

how
UNDIALECTICAL
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Cuba was already a capitalist power and still is. Their goal should be the realization of Socialism.

Now think about how many eastern bloc states could grow coffee.

Is there a good English translation of the current draft of the new constitution anywhere?

Coffee isn't grown in Central Europe, it's imported. I don't see what your point is. From that same Wikipedia link:
So it had to be rationed (by higher price or producing a lame mix with fake coffee). This is true of both East and West Germany. It's only that in West Germany you see that as something random happening to the individual that the individual then has to deal with, whereas in East Germany you see it as an indictment of the entire system somehow. (You believe the GDR caused the failed harvest in Brazil with Black Magic?)

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I saw in this video, don't know if its right or not, that North Korea amended its constitution in 2009 to remove all traces of communism and Marxism-Leninism, and China in 2004 I think allowed private property, so Cuba is just the next step. Vietnam and Laos are basically out of the question since they're both market statists and honestly had no real power anyways.

The term "Marxism-Leninism" was never in the constitution. And the reference to communism was removed because they believe as Kim Il Sung said, that communism (as in a stateless classless society) is impossible as long as imperialist aggression still exists.

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Yes of course pol you've really outdone yourself this time. How will leftypol ever recover.

Except in West Germany there wasn't a major shortage of coffee that lasted years. If the governments of the Eastern Bloc were able to provide kinds of consumer goods people actually wanted then there wouldn't have been a black market in the first place. The same goes for Cuba.

Coffee wasn't grown in the Eastern Block and traded in some underground black market.

I never said it was, I said there was a black market in consumer goods because the planned economy failed to provide them, and coffee was an example of this.

wat

Was he right?

I was referring to the part where you mentioned it being grown in Eastern Europe. It absolutely was traded on the black market though. Even GOSPLAN acknowledged that the black market was completely out of control and was seriously damaging the Soviet Economy.

ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1992-900-03-Rutgaizer.pdf

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I was referring to coffee in the GDR, the article was about the Soviet Union. Either way it proves my point about shortages of fairly basic goods being prevalent in socialist economies, and that future attempts at socialism must come up with innovative solutions to this issue.

Markets predate private property, dum dum.

Is this true?

Yuuup

diffusion of formal markets and fairs throughout Europe, accompanying
growing population, production, and exchange. Markets in this period
are easier to identify in regions where they were a distinct franchise,
such as England, and were consequently widely documented,
than in areas where they were more closely entwined in a complex series
of rights, such as Italy and southern France. In England, markets
and fairs were granted by the Crown, and the process of securing a grant
required a jury to determine whether the proposal would be to the detriment
of the Crown or other holders of existing rights within a county.
The risk of being prosecuted for an unlicensed market led English landlords
to apply for licenses for minor trading institutions that would
probably not have needed a charter in other parts of Europe. Even so,
the creation of markets, often associated with new towns where agricultural
surpluses were exchanged for manufactured goods and services,
occurred in areas as diverse as Poland, the Iberian Peninsula, Gascony,
Scotland, and Ireland.12

cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/origin-and-development-of-markets-a-business-history-perspective/B4B3B5313135E1BE351E343DD6D528ED

But private property has been a thing since the Hellenic period with land owners whipping slaves to toil the land.

I mean, that's fair if we're going to talk about private property that doesn't reflect the relations of production we have today, but it's also fair to say that informal markets have always existed where there's been large scale trade, as far as I know.

Private property is older than that, user

The lolbergs are right on this and market and private property exist about the same time together.

Graeber was a fucking hack.

That's why Marx is not only anti-private property but also market, because market goes hand in hand with property.

Are you seriously so fucking retarded that you dont realize why trade with a *socialist* state is less preffered than say, Western Germany, which was being rebuilt so lavishly in order to swing dick against the GDR? Are you so seriously this fucking obtusely idiotic? Im really starting to think that anarchos like you barely read into any sort of history you fucking twerp