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Thoughts? I'm pretty sure this is it, comrades. This isn't a defeatist thread. I'm not encouraging anyone to give up, I just don't see much hope. China? Lulz, Nuclear apocalypse or Blade Runner-esque dystopia? Idk, tell me why i'm wrong… please?
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If capitalism is the great filter at least I can be happy in my spite that the pigs wont get off this planet either.
this image implies know that we are past the great filter
the great filter could be ahead of us
This isnt theory. These are supposals. "Hey we havent seen aliens because the evolution is unlikely"
Or maybe god killed them all. Or there is a giant space nazi empire that killed them all. Or maybe they die when we send messages to them. Maybe a life time is five minutes to them. Maybe, maybe, maybe…
I dont like this stuff. Its a scientific way to jerk yourself off in a fantastical world you live in.
The premises of the great filter could just as easily imply that we're the first civilization or among the first and nobody has become interstellar yet. It took several generations of stars to produce some of the bigger elements we're made of. It's entirely reasonable that it took a while for the necessary ingredients for complex life to even exist in the universe. It's also worth pointing out that the farther away we look into the universe, the farther back we're looking and there less time there has been for civilizations to develop and become visible.
All this is assuming that we'd be able to see civilizations at all, or that they would want to be seen.
Or we've only had telescopes for a couple hundred years. The next star system 4.37 light years away. We can barely get photos of any detail of Pluto with orbital telescopes. Check out this photo, can you see the fucking aliens running around on the surface? I don't follow all that planet hunting shit, because who cares, the next closest star system is 4.37 light years away, that's 2.569e+13 miles way. Obviously it would be impossible for a solid matter life form to reach those kind of distances. There's about 250 billion stars in The Milky Way alone. There's one hundred billion known galaxies in the universe. Obviously life exists on other planets. But once again who fucking cares. If they're solid matter life forms we'll never reach them and they'll never reach us.
However if you want to go meet some aliens from other dimensions/planese of existence TODAY, just go to your local head shop and pick up some Salvia.
Capitalism in socialist democratic countries have time and time agai n showed an ability to reform itself during times of crisis,unlike gommunism Iso I don't think we'll regulated capitalism will be the great filter Perseid I do think the innovative forces of capitalism will most likely destroy us.
The fermi paradox is built on two assumptions: that advanced, startraveling species would expand exponentially across the galaxy (and thus would have practically colonised it in a matter of millennia), and that they would be detectable.
The first is already unlikely. We already see with our population that it is leveling off well before Earths theoretical capacity. Furthermore any settlements in space would by their very nature necessitate population controls - being mostly-closed systems. Any future growth beyond Earth would therefore be a deliberate investment. If we do not breed like fucking rabbits, our solar system alone will have the resources to sustain us for an inconveivably long time. There will never be a reason to expand outside it, and economically it makes little sense, since the distances involved mean that you will never be able to reap the benefits. If we do ever expand beyond our solar system, it would be more like a migration than a colonisation.
As for the second, there are plenty of explanations for why we can't detect any life signs. Maybe our sensors aren't good enough, maybe it's light speed lag, maybe they're hiding, or maybe they're just so ecologically minded (as an advanced civilisation might have to be) that they just don't emit all that much for us to see (emitted signals and heat is wasted energy).
Finally, there's the question of time. Human civilisation has existed for roughly 3000 years, and in that time we've gone from banging rocks togetger to flinging aluminium rockets into space. What happens the next 3000 years? Our current era is just a split-second in the theoretical lifespan of an intelligent species, with eons before and after. Any intelligent species we would find in this galaxy would either be cavemen or so far beyond our technology we can't even conceive of it. "Cavemen or angels, but not men".
DMT is for pussies, real men smoke Salvia. I kid, I don't recommend DMT because I've never tried it, so how could I recommend it. Also I reccomend Salvia because it's fully completely 100% legal across most of The United States. Sure you can buy the plant material to make DMT from legally but the extraction itself is legal and a whole process unto itself.
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Yeah, yeah, whatever, but you can still buy legal ready to smoke Salvia extracts of various concentrations legally in most major cities or order online. I can't compare the two because I haven't tried both but from what I read the experience is "similarish" at least in the mind-blowing, reality-shattering level of the experiences and the short trip lengths. The main difference I usually here is people always seem to have fun on DMT and a lot of people get too freaked out by the Salvia trips. But either way the Salvia trip only lasts 5 minutes or so, so just be a man, do it with a sitter, or don't smoke it somewhere you can jump out of a high window if you know you're prone to freaking out and running about.
Have you done both? If you have how do the DMT elves compare to the Salvia elves?
DMT is called ayahuasca in south american countries. It has been tested plenty of times by natives. It is also naturally found in grass and in your brain.
As for the fermi paradox, OP, we're all assuming we've never met aliens, which simply isn't true.
I know what fucking DMT is my dude. For fuckssake did you even read my post? How would I know about Mimosa Hostilis extraction if I didn't know what Ayahuasca and DMT are. I know all about Ayahuasca ceremonies. I know all about the DMT in your brain yadda yadda. Why do you guys always give brain dead responses to posts like you recognized one word out of paragraphs and just had to reply?
What do you mean tested? Did you really read my post and took away that I thought DMT was dangerous or bad for you?
FUCKING READDDDDDDDD!!!!!!
Have you even done DMT before?
*illegal
Although apparently you can go to ?legal? Ayahuasca ceremonies in The USA even. heroic-adventures.com
I can't tell you much about that because I've never done it or looked much into it.
Math Student here , i've working on exactly this same subject for a pair of months.
My results(by now) conclude that the great filter is probably upon us.
The good news is that theres a high probability that civilizations don't really auto-destroy themselves, but that the natural influx of resources within a civilization wouldn't allow them to expand beyond certain radius.
We could say the great filter would be indeed capitalism, but a more rigurous analysis show us that the lineal nature of the economy, as well as the offer and demand guided progress in technology.
To say that abolishing production for exchange would lead us to inter-planetary gay communism is, according to me, implying way too much and such hypothesis requires more investigation.
Thank you for the only 2 decent posts
I was dead serious. Go smoke some Salvia dude. You'll meet the aliens yourself and then you won't make dumb threads like this anymore.
Where can I order?
I have. A faceless entity in the sky offered me candy. I angrily refused and snapped out of the trip. It was pretty intense. There was also that time I sunk a mile into my bed. Never saw aliens
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I just typed in buy Salvia on google. You probably don't want to smoke to potent of an extract.
If an entity in the sky with candy doesn't count as an alien I don't know what does. The sinking happens to me. I often forget I have a body til I try moving.
I love reading Salvia trip reports. Not Mine:
This third hit was magnificent. And I held it in for about 20 seconds or so, feeling it pulled deeper into my lungs, or so it felt, the whole time. I felt my senses transform in a way that was quite interesting, in that there was really nothing I could pinpoint as "different." Then I realized that I was seeing the world for the first time, in a quite real and convincing way. But it was harsh: it was a flash of sensory overload. It was as if there were a certain barrier that this salvinorin passed through, and then, there I was, immediately: in a completely different place. It pushed me through some kind of membrane, and it happened in the blink of my mind's eye. Feeling the whole garage (I know, what a setting) become brighter than anything I have ever imagined, very unfamiliar because it seemed so real. It leapt from the usual mundane view to something so frighteningly *in-my-face* that it was as if I had never known it, seen it before. Never seen ANYthing. As I exhaled this smoke, so deliberately and slowly, I realized that I could freak out–this was a complete shift in reality. This was like having new existential eyes. I mean, it was the same me, the same place, the same eyes, senses, and feeling–but there was something shockingly ineffable about it. And wasn't I supposed to feel *fucked-up* if I was on this intense a trip?
It was as if I had been born again. But it was not exactly so, because I didn't feel really "different." What was it????
Well, as if to answer my question, a whole layer of reality ricocheted out of space into my head. A sound: a voice, and a whole bunch of some-sort-of-smurf-elf-like creatures that seem to comprise DMT hyperspace. I swear to you, there were entities there, and they were playing! They were dancing and swirling, laughing and living in complete, unadulterated bliss! I could glance at them, astonished and with my eyes probably as wide as the gap between my chin, as it lay on the floor, and my upper lip. Real animals came out of nowhere and all of a sudden I was on the verge of their village! It was like this, I was watching one of those jukeboxes, except that it is an experiential jukebox, and the records are not just phonographs, and they are not recorded sounds of us humans and our music, and they are unreal, in this respect; these *are* layers of reality, and one of them just flipped out from the astral pile in my consciousness (or was it really just my consciousness??) and played to my mind in vivid detail. It was as if I was the needle, as crazy as I know this sounds, and the life of a whole fucking cosmos was being played to my Soul, as encaptured by some layer/disc of reality. That is what it seemed like.
These things, they flashed so quickly before me, they said "Come play with us! Come on and join us! Come here and rid yourself of all your worrying and your shit! *Dammit* come on!" And they were flying before my open eyes, as if to wash everything else out. They did look like smurfs, yet they weren't blue and they weren't fucking annoying. They were more like elves, gnomes, yes, and they were, well, quite paradoxical. Like enlightened children. Like a totally different representation of cosmic intelligence than you would expect. (I did not think God was in an elf! but, alas, there was a spirit of that very character in them.) And it was almost cartoonish, it was so colorful. The "derealized" cartoonish take of this quite freaked me out, as it was SO real, yet SO foreign to anything I had imagined. This was some sort of truth. This whole galaxy that was flipped over so I could see it, I could leap into. But something was keeping me back. I was scared to the core that I would never come back.
This was so real, for a moment I wholly forgot that I was "tripping." I hate that term, it is hackneyed and insufficient. This was a "journey" and a consciousness dance, but nothing short of mind-blowing and quite real in spirit. There was no sense of inebriation, and when I stopped to grab a hold of my normal scope of reality–as it was always palpable, if need be–I could be normalized. And then I noticed that there was a difference.
Also meant to add
You can always type Salvia into Yelp search and find out what local shops carry it.
As for me, I was a hardcore material reductionist up until the first time I smoked Salvia. Immediately after exhaling and it started kicking in the thought immediately flashed in my mind "Well this is it, this the end, my life is over, and I'm going back to where I came from before I got put here." I'd say the experience is undeniable. Just like that trip report I just posted did a good job explaining, it felt more real than anything I'd ever lived in my life.
My whole waking life seemed just as real from that view point as a dream looks from my waking life.
We dont have a resource problem, we have an energy problem. If we can somehow create a compact fusion reactor that can provide us with near infinite clean energy at the cheap, then we can tap into the massive amount of resources in near earth asteroids, by way of fusion powered cargo space ships with ion thrusters, which would send resources to space elevators, orbital rings or other mega structures that can cheapen the shipping of materials from space to the surface of earth. Scarcity is an engineering problem
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But why though? Those ships would still take as long as recorded civilization up til the present to reach Alpha Centauri.
Thorium MSRs could probably work too.,
Also to you: But why though? Plants are better and way more valuable than metals.
If we could harness fusion energy on that scale the Alcubierre Warp Drive might go from theory to reality. We would have to reach at least Type 2 Civilization
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How does the thing not kill who ever rides it?
the people would be safe inside the ship. The warp drive moves space-time AROUND the ship
If we could make something like that though wouldn't we probably have the technology to do full on alchemy and other shit which would negate any benefit of traveling to another star system?
What could we possibly find their that would be worth the effort is what I'm saying? Do these futurists and theorists ever answer that question?
Also what about mining the crust deeper? What's in an asteroid that isn't buried miles below the surface?
Pic related, our destiny, the ultimate truth, INTERGALACTIC COMMUNISM?!?!?
So… mine our home planet hollow?
forgot
You could reinforce it with super materials so it's even more stable than before.
You could just mine the bottom of the Ocean til it's deeper and solve rising sea levels, two birds with one stone.
Ok but that's still a finite amount of material. You would have to go interplanetary.
Not in our or our great-great-great-great e+11 children's lifetimes.
'Couture'ing this planet to our liking seems much more feasible to me than terraforming Mars(a planet with no breathable atmosphere) or especially traveling to Alpha Centauri.
We should've let the goverment take over the internet with act 13. That way we could've easily taken down hundreds of big companies by uploading copyrighted content on them. Thus destroying a big part of capitalism that way we would be able to go outside and get a hold of our lives
And what if we make a mistake and fuck up our only home? No one bothered to turn Mars into Plan B
If don't ever become smart enough to learn how to not fuck up this planet I don't think we'll be smart enough to set up a self-sustainable colony on Mars.
You could still achieve everything you would get on Mars and more in an underground bunker on Earth.
I'm not sure if capitalism is a product of a low stage of evolution thus would fade out on its on or something along with some other sociological creations that hold us back.
Salvia divinorum in traditional entheogenic use was never smoked btw. They would either grind it into a drink or chew like 30 leaves leaves or so and these are pretty large. Smoking seems to make it come on too strong and breif for people and is only used to get them high not for deeper purpose. I assume a tincture would do similar as traditional use. Also I wouldn't say salvia and DMT are basically same. They aren't. They work different ways and the effects are supposed to differ.
Like, oh no! An asteroid could hit and wipe out most life on the Surface! The only way for human civilization to continue is to setup shop on the planet with NO LIFE on the surface? It makes literally no sense to me. Even if the surface got toasted by Nuclear War or Asteroids, at least you'd still have access to endless water and oxygen in your little enclosed habitat buried miles deep vs setting up an enclosed habitat on a planet with no water or oxygen. I really can'y understand where Musk and Hawking are coming from with all their planet B shit. I think they just love the idea of space-frontierism too much because they read too much sci-fi when they were younger.
1. Post-scarcity isn't being achieved until we head out into space. No post-scarcity, no communism. Human population will grow past the 11 billion mark if we keep feeding it. Overpopulation will eventually become an issue, for real.
2. The Sun WILL die, it's best to prepare for that, even if it is billions of years away. Asteroids, rogue black holes, and whatever else you can imagine.
3. If we survive the great filter, other civilizations might have, too. If we aren't space-faring, they might be, and they might want to kill us.
It's really short-sighted to not make an effort to spread beyond Earth
I said "sameish" I put an ish and quotation marks to make it doubly clear. You can't deny people talk about elves and a lot of similar shit on both though. I still want to try some DMT and then I'll be able to compare from first hand experience. I know about the chewing quids and all that. I've read some reports of ethnobotanists in Mexico doing traditional Salvia rituals and all that before. I think most of the sites I linked to here you can buy straight unfortified whole leaf. I haven't tried it myself yet. But what difference does it make trying to be a purist or a traditionalist if you can't find a shaman to guide you through the whole ritual anyways is how I look at it. I think you'll be fine with whatever. Some people claim they don't have "breakthrough" experiences on 10x, 20x, 30x, etc. I think maybe their problem is they didn't hold the hit in long enough? The first time I did it I smoked it with my brother and he got little to no effect. I smoked one bowl of the same 30x but I held it in for maybe half a minute and I had the mind blowing effects I talked about here:
But we see that the more advanced a society becomes the more the birth rates seem to decline. If everyone was living in the same kinds of lap of luxury and life expectancy like Japan and Monaco or better, birth rates would decline by themselves. I think a slowing birth rate is natural.
Once again recorded civilization is only 5000 years or so. Billions of years is above our paygrade to even ponder about.
And what if someone opens a portal to hell and the demons start pouring out? What if our phasers don't effect them? We need to invest in better crucifux technology for this eventuality as well.
I'd bet my left nut we'd see an alien before a demon (no salvia necessary)
Maybe space is just fuckin cool, alright? If you want to be a basic terrestrial bitch, be my guest
I was being facetious. I don't think aliens who could reach us would try to kill us and if they did we wouldn't be able to stop us. They'd be able to kill us all off with energy weapons, bioweapons, whatever they wanted. Our only chance would be to beg for them to show us mercy. Why don't you prepare on how to do that better if you're so worried about it?
Alright but I'm not giving you my tax dollars so you can LARP your Star Trek fantasies.
*to stop them.
Why should i give you my tax dollars so you can LARP your Morlok fantasies?
I don't really care for any of this futurology shit. I'm just tired of people acting like their insane futurology is anything less than B Movie Sci-Fi.b We're not going to Mars nigga, deal with it.
Also, what if we reach them first? They'd never be threat, just like if they got to us first.
Not with that attitude
I just looked at The NASA Journey to Mars overview. The last step is build a ISS to orbit Mars by 2030. They don't seem to have a step after that.
Dear god, I hope America isn't the first to Mars. I'm glad NASA ain't got shit.
Although Dubya promised us a moon base by two years from now so I don't have faith in any of their time tables.
I agree with you here, we aren't technologically capable of colonizing Mars. Not yet. Doesn't mean it can't be done
51st and 52nd state ain't gonna be Puerto Rico and Guam baby, IT'S GONNA BE THE FUCKING MOON AND THE FUCKING READ PLANET! BRINGING FREEDOM TO FUCKING OUTERSPAAAAAAAAACCCE!!!!
Gonna have to start calling that bitch The Red White and Blue planet.
That's damn right our rocket is bigger than your rocket. You little rocket orientals.
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DIRECT RULE FROM ORBIT
I am bearish about FTL travel, so this is what we will probably have to do.
the embryo ship would travel a whole lot faster than the other options
Our species is very vulnerable to extinction as long as we live on only one planet. Remember the dinosaurs?
energy is just another resource
Yeah dude, except vertebrate life, bacterial life, plant life, go through the whole list for yourself, still exists on this planet yet we have no evidence for even the remains of any of those things on Mars.
Read here for my debunking of The Hawking-Musk Planet B fallacy: >>2586404
That isn't relevant at all, and I wasn't even talking about mars.
Our species could go extinct from a number of different events. Currently all our eggs are in one proverbial basket. If our species spreads across the galaxy, we would no longer be vulnerable to extinction from asteroid impacts, gamma ray bursts, thermonuclear war, etc.
Does it matter? We'd still be dead.
I'd like the species to live on, even if I die, and everyone I know dies
we are nifty creatures
1. Asteroids are already in space, and one of the biggest barriers to space colonization/travel is Delta-V (change in velocity, or the amount of energy needed to get from point X to point Y, in this case the earth's massive space velocity). Moving tons of metal and rock is easier in space than it is on earth.
2. Many asteroids aren't the solid chunks of rock you'd think, many are just giant space dust bunnies and you could literally mine them with your bare hands.
3. The deeper into the earth you get the higher the pressure and hotter it is, you also have to build infrastructure to make sure the hole doesn't collapse on itself. In space you don't have to worry about that, just find a nice asteroid and start chiseling it down for any valuables.
4. Space is kind of unclaimed territory, and so the first ones who start mining have an entire belt for the taking as opposed to the earth where all land is owned by a country and they always want part of the cut.
5. Mining the earth's crust can result in unforeseen consequences such as environmental pollution.
*earth's massive escape velocity
Capitalists don't care about that.
Or distances in the universe are so large, it doesn't matter if we're not alone, for all intents purposes we are, cuz we will never establish contact with others as they are too far away.
Guys can we have a revolution or a global collapse of human civilization pls? I just wanna annihilate some porkies without going to jail
But once self-propagating systems have attained global scale, two crucial differences emerge. The first difference is in the number of individuals from among which the "fittest" are selected. Self-prop systems sufficiently big and powerful to be plausible contenders for global dominance will probably number in the dozens, or possibly in the hundreds; they certainly will not number in the millions. With so few individuals from among which to select the "fittest," it seems safe to say that the process of natural selection will be inefficient in promoting the fitness for survival of the dominant global self-prop systems. It should also be noted that among biological organisms, species that consist of a relatively small number of large individuals are more vulnerable to extinction than species that consist of a large number of small individuals. Though the analogy between biological organisms and self-propagating systems of human beings is far from perfect, still the prospect for viability of a world-system based on the dominance of a few global self-prop systems does not look encouraging.
The second difference is that in the absence of rapid, worldwide transportation and communication, the breakdown or the destructive action of a small-scale self-prop system has only local repercussions. Outside the limited zone where such a self-prop system has been active there will be other self-prop systems among which the process of evolution through natural selection will continue. But where rapid, worldwide transportation and communication have led to the emergence of global self-prop systems, the breakdown or the destructive action of any one such system can shake the whole world-system. Consequently, in the process of trial and error that is evolution through natural selection, it is highly probable that after only a relatively small number of "trials" resulting in "errors," the world-system will break down or will be so severely disrupted that none of the world's larger or more complex self-prop systems will be able to survive. Thus, for such self-prop systems, the trial-and-error process comes to an end; evolution through natural selection cannot continue long enough to create global self-prop systems possessing the subtle and sophisticated mechanisms that prevent destructive internal competition within complex biological organisms.
Meanwhile, fierce competition among global self-prop systems will have led to such drastic and rapid alterations in the Earth's climate, the composition of its atmosphere, the chemistry of its oceans, and so forth, that the effect on the biosphere will be devastating. In Part IV of the present chapter we will carry this line of inquiry further: We will argue that if the development of the technological world-system is allowed to proceed to its logical conclusion, then in all probability the Earth will be left a dead planet-a planet on which nothing will remain alive except, maybe, some of the simplest organisms-certain bacteria, algae, etc.-that are capable of surviving under extreme conditions.
The theory we've outlined here provides a plausible explanation for the so-called Fermi Paradox. It is believed that there should be numerous planets on which technologically advanced civilizations have evolved, and which are not so remote from us that we could not by this time have detected their radio transmissions. The Fermi Paradox consists in the fact that our astronomers have never yet been able to detect any radio signals that seem to have originated from an intelligent extraterrestrial source.
According to Ray Kurzweil, one common explanation of the Fermi Paradox is "that a civilization may obliterate itself once it reaches radio capability." Kurzweil continues: "This explanation might be acceptable if we were talking about only a few such civilizations, but [if such civilizations have been numerous], it is not credible to believe that every one of them destroyed itself" Kurzweil would be right if the self-destruction of a civilization were merely a matter of chance. But there is nothing implausible about the foregoing explanation of the Fermi Paradox if there is a process common to all technologically advanced civilizations that consistently leads them to self-destruction. Here we've been arguing that there is such a process.
Asteroid mining for things in space is one thing but if you're mining to bring shit back to Earth than you're going to run into a lot of the same problems you mention in point one. How much is the fuel savings of safely bringing cargo from space back into the atmosphere safely and then back onto the ground. Reentry is dangerous and how much fuel savings would even a hypothetical space elevator bring in the descent as opposed to the ascent? Engineering and building things in space is another completely unproven field to my knowledge. How will they tackle all the problems of: (zero gravity, -454.81 Fahrenheit temperatures, space radiation, no atmosphere, space debris, etc.)
But waisting tons of money on space shit which no one Earth will use is a noble endeavor?
If we can't better learn to forsee outcomes of our engineering our own planet than all the space travel, space colonies, and terraforming Mars is also bust too.
I think all these scientists know the best they can do is send out cameras into space and little R/C cars to Mars. They're just lying to us(and maybe even themselves) about the possibilities so we keep feeding them billions of dollars a year.
Method of administration effects results so it would not necessarily have to be for purist reasons. Though ritual itself also seems to have some effect too. It's more interesting reading experiences of people who never heard experiences before and had no idea what to expect. I suspect expectations may influence what people see. It's more meaningful of people see same things without being previously told of them.
Well link me to someone who's chewed the raw leaves and smoked it and there comparisons of their experiences.
I think this applies more for the people who chew it in ritual than the smokers. The shamans prepare you to meet the Salvia goddess so I think people who go that route go in with high expectations of meeting her. I used to be more concerned with the power of suggestion back when I was on my rationalist and skeptic bent. I'm pretty sure I didn't read trip reports before I smoked it the first time. I just happened to buy it at the local smoke shop because I was already a medical-weed smoker, and here is a fucking psychedelic just being sold with no licensing required, so why the fuck not? I already said about how I thought my life was over, I got the deja vu which many people get, I was sure I was originally in Salvia land before this life. Like my whole life was leading up and coming from this single moment. So as I started seeing the other dimension or whatever I saw all these little red triangles which I first interpreted as sail boats. Then maybe a day later I smoked it again and this time I had even more of a breakthrough experience and I saw all the little people. My immediate interpretation is that they were making our present reality from there reality, then what freaked me out the most is when I looked down at my body and realized that not only was I made out of one of these "elves" myself, I was made out of multiple elves. I think I only read about Salvia elves after I started to search online to make sense of my experience and the term "elf" was just one of the most natural terms that sprang to mind to describe them.
Have you smoked or chewed it? If smoked, how potent? Did you have a breakthrough experience? What did you see?
We have shipped untold tons of materiel into space already and made thousands of trips to orbit, and that's the hardest part of the trip. Getting viable orbital infrastructure in place (say, a fuel refinery - turning water into liquid H2 and O2) is just a matter of throwing enough money and RnD on it (way less than many other missions, and space research doesn't get all that much funding anyway) and the entire solar system is open to you. The delta-v costs of getting to the other planets in the solar system is trivial compared to getting into orbit, and there are water-bearing objects with a lower delta-v cost than the bloody moon.
But you don't know about any of that, you're just repeating the same stupid platitudes that every other idiot who doesn't know the first thing about space says.
I have to keep the left side of my brain in a cage or I will die. Psychedelics are the last thing for me.
That's too bad. Why?
Even with just weed every one of my negative thoughts get brought out and enhanced. I freak the fuck out. I like stuff that dulls me instead, like alcohol.
Misleading? Is that less triggering for you sci fi nerd? You just got caught up on one element of my post and missed everything else. What'sthe possible benefit to people living on Earth is what I'm asking. If we
Terrestrial projects the rewards will be magnitudes more immense.
huh, that's kinda sad. I haven't even done any narcotics, but it's too bad you're preemptively locked out of the chance.
Projections ssy we're hitting peak phosphorous by around 2050, IIRC. You aren't gonna get more of it by drilling down to the core, there's just nickel and iron down there, so unless you like the idea of food shortages we're gonna have to get more phosphorous somehow, and it just so happens that there's plenty of it in water-bearing asteroids.
It's easier to bring stuff down than to bring it up, provided you don't mind a hard landing, and it's trivial once you have the option of refueling in orbit. You could have a tug just chucking payloads back to Earth 24/7.
Orbital infrastructure also opens op the opportunity for orbital power. If you like the idea of solar power you'd be thrilled to know that it works amazingly in space, and the materials for it are abundant up there. The power can then be transmitted back to Earth and you got virtually unlimited renewable energy with no (terrestial) real estate cost.
While there are plenty of resources that we still haven't accessed on Earth, it's gonna take a massive and expensive engineering effort to get to just a tiny fraction of it (and it's still mostly nickel and iron - two thing that we already have in abundance). Not to mention the fact that WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE. If you seriously think that is a more viable and practical solution than space, you need a sanity check.
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Jesus. Just to add, peak phosphorous doesn't mean that we run out, it means that our extraction has reached its peak because we have exhausted many of our high-value deposits. Future extraction is gonna get progressively harder and harder, and at some point extracting it from near-earth objects is gonna look very economical (and i just checked - the mantle doesn't have phosphorous either).
I know. Regarding the 2035. The PhD I was reading said that in 2035 there will be more demand than supply of phosphorus, so the prices of food will go in the sky.
you fucking joker
By population? Sorry the Sunday law states won't let you buy it.
You can still buy magic mushroom spores legally in most of those states for whatever reason:
Psilocybin mushroom spores are legal to possess in every state in the United States, except California, Georgia, and Idaho. This is because it is psilocybin and psilocin (the active chemicals in psychedelic mushrooms) which are specifically listed in Schedule I, not the mushrooms themselves. Theoretically any plant or mushroom which contains psilocybin may be considered a "container" of psilocybin which makes the plant illegal also. However, mushroom spores do not contain psilocybin or psilocin. For this reason, they are not illegal either federally or in most states.
i'm aware of psilocybin im just salty because salvia is also cool?
Yes Salvia is definitely worth a try at least once IMHO. Plus side if you're ever in one of those green or yellow states you can just pick it up at a local smoke shop and try it out.
I used to be salty about mushroom spores when I lived in California. I was like how is freaking California one of the only three states in the country where you can't buy them? I still new multiple people who picked them up out of state and grew them in their homes. I'm most salty about Mescaline because Mescaline is the shit. Best drug I've ever taken in my life. It'll make you realize what an asshole you are to other people and make you want to be a better person.
You might still be able to do one of those Ayahuasca ceremonies in whatever state you're in.
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It's good you know this about yourself. I wouldn't want to recommend Salvia to someone who ends up being one of those people who jumps out a window. Yeah, Salvia will rip away your whole ego and identity, so if you're a control freak it might not be for you. You'll go back to normal though very quickly.
Since the whole reason I brought up drugs in the first place in this thread was about meeting non-human entities, I'll add: My friend met some spirit in his closet when he was high on Mescaline but I didn't see any entities. I saw some other dimensional "beings" while on Psylocibin while out in the woods by myself. I didn't see any entities when I did acid but my brother said he saw the same beings he did on Salvia while he was meditating by himself on the doing the same acid and my friend said he was able to communicate with trees for the first time while he was on acid. Said he never realized how they were animals just like you and me before that experience.
Well then you might have something with the phosphorus I guess but where is the in depth cost analysis? Also where is the cost for the satellite solar panels? How will the energy be transmitted? By tether or by beaming down the energy or some shit like that? Where is the comparison price wise of this solution vs. blanketing the unusable areas of Earth with Solar panels?
You didn't mention it but I'll add to your argument for you: maybe the solar panel thing would cut down on global warming.
Isn't the asteroid belt something like an entire planet worth of material, as well?