Hello!
I am a free market American capitalist who disagrees with the communist system. I believe it creates poverty as seen in Eastern Europe and China until they opened up to the private sector. I really don't understand how there can be a board dedicated to this failed economic theory. Even Cuba has private sectors today along with Vietnam, and Laos to escape poverty. You can even compare the two ideologies in West and East Germany.
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Venezuela… are you joking? Not even its oil can save it.
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And if you can’t afford the bread you starve
the top is the tsarist peroid tard
correction
in the first world if you make a sufficient amount of money the bread waits for you and if not its thrown away so you can never acces it and in the third world you're fucked*
My apologies
theory about breadlines: the bread also waits for you but other people are also waiting, its like a long queue in a store but in the end you don't have to pay
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There isn't this shortage like there was in the Soviet Union. Of course there is a line in modern grocery stores…. just like there is a line to buy tickets, etc
I'm not even a communist but holy shit that is cringe.
Of course they were ignored by the capitalist world. What's the point of doing business with a country you're competing with?
It wasn’t supposed to mean they should’ve done business with the capitalist world, it was supposed to mean they were doing things on their own and people seem to forget that
Yes and how did that work out? You're basically saying a communist government can not survive in autarky.
Very few countries can survive in autarky. Look at what happened to South Africa in the 80s.
Didn't the Soviet Union have other socialist countries to rely on? Perhaps those in the Warsaw Pact, China, Vietnam, etc?
You're missing the point. If a capitalist country was put under the same circumstances of constant military threat and economic isolation, along with very harsh post war conditions (the worst in the war) in the eastern countries that make a comparison with the west unfair it would have been worse.
And neither could any world power. The european capitalist powers relied on imperialist expansion to other continents to be able to avoid starvation. Many countries relied on wheat imports from america to prevent famines.
The Soviet Union had turned to Canada and Western Europe for one-third of its grain supplies, as well as to Argentina, Eastern Europe, Australia, and China. United States government price subsidies helped to expand grain exports in 1987 and 1988.
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Yes but they were all much poorer than any western country. I’m willing to admit plenty of flaws with 20th century socialism, but we have to begin by acknowledging the conditions under which socialism and capitalism were competing. Socialist countries were on average much poorer than capitalist countries even prior to adopting socialism. Eastern Europe held the richest socialist countries and these were still significantly behind the west before. The west also had a series of colonial empires in Africa and Asia, as well as neo-colonial puppets to draw wealth from. So we are hardly talking an even starting point here, especially when you take the effects of the war into account, which killed more than a tenth of the USSR’s population but left the USA untouched.
Then you have to consider the fact that socialist countries typically did a good job of improving standards of living by every accepted metric, and consistently outperformed capitalist countries at similar levels of development and GDP per capita.
articles.latimes.com
The standard capitalist narrative on the Cold War always compares socialist countries to the most developed capitalist countries, but it doesn’t consider that socialist countries started from a lower level of development. Perhaps even more importantly it doesn’t consider the fact that the vast majority of people who lived under capitalism lived in the third world, not in the west. And when you take those into account, people in socialist countries we’re on average better off than people in capitalist countries. In other words, the narrative only holds up if you ignore the vast majority of capitalist countries when comparing them to socialism, and only focus on the richest ones.
All of the countries you're mentioning were horribly backwards at the time of revolution and they themselves heavily relied on the soviet union for loans and resources themselves.
The majority of nations that joined the eastern bloc were either completely destroyed by wars sponsored by our dear friend the united states and ww2 or were feudal shitholes with not enough resources to industrialize, and thus, became a heavy burden on the ussr finances. They were barely any help to the USSR. Still the social progress and economic achievements of these countries under this circumstances are remarkable. Particularly in the heavy industry, medical and education fields.
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Yes… countries being "improved" by communism and never by capitalism
I have a question- why do you people pretend to be patriotic while shilling for an economic system based on individualism and survival of the fittest? You genuinely believe a system driven by profit, pitting worker vs worker is good for the country?
Cuba literally has higher literacy and life expectancy than the US, as well as lower infant mortality.
No one has ever denied that there is economic growth under capitalism. China underwent the same development that all the western nations went through during the industrial revolution. However, this initial burst of economic growth is also tied to vastly increased inequality, horrible working conditions, and immense pollution. China ensured its growth by opening itself up as the world's biggest and cheapest labour market, and its people suffered for it.
Didn't you just say before that socialist countries couldn't survive because of autarky policies? China opened up to the international market you know? You can't compare an isolated nation's economic development (China was isolated even from the USSR) to an "open-doors" post-mao china.
Not to mention imperialism.
You realize that the market itself is based on competition, correct? It's not about a refusal of "business" but direct economic strangling of the other.
Let me guess, "not real socialism"?
Ikr
Since you are a noob:
1. you reply to others by clicking on the post number: No.22586091
2. if you create threads with honest questions without the over-inflated pretentiousness of yours your threads will not get bumplocked and you can actually have productive debates with people.
3. use the catalog: 8ch.net
4. kys
It's kinda weird that people come to 8Ch without having experience with chan culture.
not a single mention of the year it was taken in
literal shill garbage, I can guarantee you it's from 1990 or later like all other fake breadline pictures
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