Detroit branch of WWP withdraws from national org

It's not like the mods don't agree with them. Also before anyone of you calla me reactionary, I didn't intend anything but aesthetics and I also made a fucking thread about one week ago that somehow didn't get me banned.
That said using the word nigga and shitting on callout culture (yes because what you think of me as a socialist

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The left is the gift that keeps giving.

moderation is here is impassioned and inconsistent

Third-worldists working for NGOs running an ostensibly Marxist-Leninist party? This is turning me into a ☭TANKIE☭ at this rate. I agree with the Detroiters.

I don't know much about the detroiters but I bet the irony here will turn out that most of the Detroiters are black. The other chapters are probably less "diverse" lmao

why would anyone bothering LARPing in a shitty party like that

Trots

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I'm hardly an expert on Leninism (see rose) but the Detroiters seem to be trying to actually follow the theory to the best of their abilities and the WWP is like "lol nah"

At this rate I'd prefer either the red liberals or actual MLs to this odd alter-category (Trots I guess) who have a really "militant" image with red stars flying out of their pants while being both useless in terms of workers' organizing and obsessed with idpol to a greater degree than anyone else.

Aren't WWP The "Support Deng / Xi / Zyuganov against Anti-Revionist imperialism" people?

That's just the normal ML position today, except for Maoists and Hoxhaists.

So I take it the PSL is the better/bigger party post split? (I've been curious about looking into a competent party)

Maoists see nothing wrong with "National Bougies" see "New Democracy"
Based

I think it's bigger (they definitely have a stronger presence on social media but that could just be because of a younger membership). The reasons for their split from the WWP are unknown; neither party ever clarified what the issue was, although I've heard (thirdhand mind you) that it was either a leadership dispute or a disagreement over whether to run candidates for office (the PSL does but the WWP doesn't). Even their members don't seem to know what caused the split lmao. Anyway, I think PSL definitely has some issues (like their sketchy ecelebs) but I don't think that makes them useless. Since they're so small anything they do that actually has an effect (i.e. not just impotent twelve person protests against imperialism) will be primarily local, so I'd recommend looking at your local branches and comparing them.

Marxist-Leninist-Maoists hate Deng, idk about Mao-Zedong-Thought followers or Maoist-Third-Worldists or the historical Maoists who supported China in the Sino-Soviet Split

That's one way of saying incompetent

To be entirely fair, an anonymous imageboard is extremely vulnerable to covert reactionaries and even agents who can come here and instantly be just another user. I think moderation here can be overzealous but I'd rather have that than half the board filled with anti-communists. I say this as someone who's been temporarily banned more than once.

this could be positive in the long run

It's bigger, don't know about better.

I witnessed a protest put on by dem socs that got hijacked by an anarchist / "antifa" group that showed up out of nowhere and tried to escalate with cops. It was a small demo and had the dem socs followed their advice, would've resulted in everyone going to jail and a few people in the dem soc ranks likely deported. There were kids there. Just a mess. The dems socs were not prepared for that kind of shit to go down and left, and the anarchists later made all kinds of accusations at the dem socs for being police collaborators and the like.

I was furious and it was a sight to behold: classic entryism + escalation. I can see the logic but it's like, dudes, we're talking about a small protest here. This group then tried to stir up trouble on the internet. I hated everything about it. They'd issue statements filled with epithets and slander. Deranged kids. Reminds me of reading about COINTELPRO.

Anyways there were a few PSL people there who were supportive of the dem socs and they were nice. They marched out with the group. I had never seen them before IRL and I left with a positive impression. Dunno about the ecelebs though. If a younger person asked me about joining a more explicitly Marxist group here (not the dem socs) I would point them to the PSL. My rose might inadvertently steer people away from PSL but their hearts seem in the right place I guess? I dunno I can only report what I see with my own eyes; y'all figure it out.

MLM and Hoxhaists are as shitty as third camp trots when it comes to anti imperialism. They both refuse to support Assad.

In my experience, most PSL members are both genuine communists and perfectly nice people, but there are certain elements within the party of whom I am extremely skeptical. Of course, that's bound to be true in any communist party, and like I said that doesn't mean one shouldn't join, but it is something to watch out for.

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Witch elements are you skeptical of if i may ask?

I have an ML friend who is probably the smartest person I know, and he has sketched out several possible trajectories of where the dem socs could go. Even the "successful" options result in the dem socs failing, in his view, and it's hard to argue with him. (I joined a certain dem soc group.) That position will probably not see much disagreement here.

Anyways he feels that one job of the MLs should be to build a party that, in addition to doing normal party work, can absorb these people when they do fail. Or like a big net that will soften the landing from jumping out of the burning dem soc building when it spontaneously combusts in the not-too-far future. Can't see the WWP doing that but maybe PSL can.

Citation needed

There are groups from both camps who support Assad.

Their leadership seems quite opportunistic; for example, they endorsed Roseanne Barr's election campaign a few years back. Additionally, they have Mike Prysner, a troop-turned-communist, of whom I'm somewhat skeptical as well.

I agree with this.

What are some Hoxhaist parties that support the Syrian government? I haven't seen any, although to be fair I'm not really familiar with any except those Turkish guys who support 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Rojava🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

The American Party of Labor supports the syrian gov but, i think it's in the same way as the SEP.

Is that not good enough or something?

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MLKP had some fighters in over a dozen US military bases in Syria when they were in a pseudo-alliance with Assad. Haven't seen any evidence that MLKP is against the Assad government:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist–Leninist_Communist_Party_(Turkey)#Involvement_in_Syrian_Civil_War
I'm willing to be convinced that the mainline ML parties were better on Syria than the Hoxhaist movement. I'm half convinced that the German group calling itself the Stalinist-Hoxhaist international are agents of the BND but I have no evidence for that–it just seems like they have a CIA line on a lot of recent events (Syria, Iran). I don't see any real evidence that their party or international carries any weight in the rest of the Hoxhaist movement; I've asked German MLs about their party and they can't seem to tell me anything about it.

This too

It's good, they just emphasize critical support rather then full support, witch i seen some people get mad at.

Who here /SEP/?

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At least they're honest about it I guess

UPDATE: apparently the Detroit branch wanted to condemn "Rojava" as imperialist collaborators but they were discouraged from doing so by their party.
twitter.com/communistfriend/status/1019205362556329984
The ABSOLUTE state of American Third-Worldist liberal power-tripping ⛏️rotskyites

UPDATE: the DC branch of the WWP disbanded a few years ago, their statement can be found here:
twitter.com/bratatouillle/status/1018930943451631618

*a few days ago, not years

They do though

aren't they like less than 10 people?

To be fair that's true of every communist party in the US

Isn't PSL at least significantly larger than that Hoxha meme party Ismail started?

I would assume so but it still can't be more than a couple hundred people

More branches leaving

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Remember when Marxists used to split up because of theoretical differences?

Lenin remembers.