admittedly communism is a failure,but it is an interesting idea. but could use some more work, so if it does get another shot it does not result in a big mess.
what is the new system that if ever given the chance would be best, and why would it work better than capitalism for the situation during its possible future era
Admittedly communism is a failure,but it is an interesting idea. but could use some more work...
Luke Gray
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Jordan Johnson
read some more retard
Juan Walker
communism
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
James Rodriguez
The USSR wasn't a failure, there's plenty of evidence for that. The problem is mainstream propaganda brainwashes people with cold war "facts" to think the USSR, a country that lasted from 1917 to 1991, had her people starve constantly, a huge number of people were in the gulags, nobody worked, they beat the Nazis just by throwing bodies at them, and Stalin killed half the population of the country.
If you want to know a better system than capitalism, please try to learn our perspective, you can start by reading some books. The Communist Manifesto is a good entry, but you need to read some books and watch some videos, although reading is preferable.
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Lincoln Sanders
Are you talking about Anarchism, syndicalism, leftcomism, literally hundreds of ideologies in relation to communism?
Books you retard. Read Marx, read multiple other books explaining why capitalism is bad.
Forcing people like you to read at gunpoint so you stop wasting space on the board for threads of actual use. Leave.
Dominic Long
Capitalism has crises because it is inherently unstable. This leads to regulation. But regulations don't work because they always address the effect and not the cause. This leads to the movement of capital into sectors which remain unaffected by regulation, simply creating large ineffective bureaucracies that fail to achieve the goal of economic balance.
What is needed is an economic "reset" in which all of these contradictions are resolved by addressing the causes and not the effects. This can only be achieved by transforming capitalism into a fundamentally different system.
Jonathan Perez
Im sorry i failed to entertain you
is this possible, and would this be okay if it meant that people would receive less than what they work now.
I am interested in ideas as apposed to regurgitation of untested knowledge that may just be fiction.
thank you for not telling me to read more as that is an insult with little to no backing(the simple reason that I don't read more, is because there is very little credible work in support of communism that has any scientific backing)
unfortunately this link lacks credible citations to give it a reputable status. in this case even a professors work would not be trust worthy until per reviewed by an expert that concludes the same outcome(this is not the case)
obviously communism was not a system that didn't work but it did faille ultimately and capitalism did significantly better, i agree that much of the stereo types are blown out of proportion. but at the same time most stereotypes an in this case too are from reality based evidence.
read is not a good argument when the content is propaganda. this is not an attack but in my attempts to find logical scientific evident and plausible content that supports communism i like the USSR failed(I'm sorry for that but i do find my response be on pare with your own in terms of aggression)
off topic
Ethan Campbell
Going to re-up the other user about capitalism being prone to crisis. Really, capitalism is about growth and is about turning resources into goods which can then be sold for a profit. As a result, capitalism is always going to look for new investment opportunities. Nothing controversial about that and this is why capitalism is such a dynamic system, is responsible for all this technological development and so on. But it runs into a problem where too much capital accumulation occurs, because all that capital still has to go *somewhere* or the whole thing blows up and you get a big crash – and most people who did everything they were "supposed" to do in that system have their lives destroyed.
That has happened many times but imagine how much capital will need to be re-invested later in this century if capitalism just keeps on growing at a few percentage points each year forever. We're going to need a lot of investment opportunities on a planet with shrinking resources. And actually this has been an ongoing problem which is why you see these increasingly complicated financial arrangements and "making money from money" that contribute to these explosive debt-fueled bubbles… one of which the world economy is sitting on right now.
Anyways, I'm not a theoretician and don't know what the solution is, but that's the problem and if you're making an average annual year's wage or salary like most people, then you're just getting ripped off and have every reason to be an anti-capitalist. Capitalism is really a kind of cutthroat economy where everyone is trying to rip everyone else off all the time – just think about trying to buy a car, for instance. "Used car salesmen" are hated because that's who most people interact with, but they're not any different really from the people at the top end of the income distribution who run major banks, hedge funds, etc.
Bentley Ortiz
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Carson Rogers
How much money do you make in a year
Gabriel James
$0
Lincoln Turner
I have been out of work for some time with no new projects avalible
Bentley Ortiz
and you?
Isaac Taylor
i do find that the ability to "rip some one off" as you put it is just the fate of reality as the world is a give and take place and this is seen in nature too, inf act communism is only really comparable to an ant colony's, in which a theoretical species like us but still hosting there genetic attributes that but there whole over their own, then communism(in its theoretic version) would be perfect and even extremely lightly as ant formicidae humanoids would only live to serve the colony and in fact would possibly not even require a monetary resource thou this is up for debate.
Colton Torres
For gods sake man just go to the reading thread and read some core socialist literature.
Your questions above can be answered by doing so.
You seem to have no idea what us commies are on about.
Brayden Perez
*citation needed*
Aiden Gomez
most communist literature is not based of scientific fact but rather of of a skewed understanding of human nature and miscalculations, as for the rest (usually the majority) it is opinion based and so can be discarded.
correct, as after everything Ive read by mutual political scientists have written, seem to classify you in do not seem to match up with the communist ideas of 1920 - 1993, yet apon closer inspection. non of you seem to actually share a coherent idea (this does not mean all modern communists are like this, i do know of more organized classed bodes)
Parker Adams
good for you
Kayden Sanders
well there is evidences by Axiom and observation, the axiom being that failure does not propagate, alot the observation being that the amount of capitalist country's to the amount of non capitalist is largely in favor of capitalism (no technically china is not Communist or capitalist by is very system it cannot be considered either)
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Christopher Anderson
because your bible does not convince me of anything other than fairy tails
but I'm not against the idea of making a working version of it, but accepting its pitfalls is how you move to improvement
John Wright
Communism works, you just need to kill kulaks as it runs on the blood of kulaks.
Josiah Rivera
you can't even fucking spell "tale" do you really thing you have any authority on deciding which economic system is functional which isn't? Do you honestly think anybody is gonna take any of your opinions seriously if you're incapable if speaking basic fucking English? Knob right off
Brayden Ramirez
So, in other words, you don't have to read socialist works because your favorite anticommunist books told you they were unscientific and you took them on their word?
The guy you were replying to is also a dumbass though. You don't need to read thousands of pages of text to understand socialism.
Not sure what the fuck you're even going on about anymore but the guys you're reading are hacks. Everyone here that calls themselves a socialist or communist traces themselves back to the socialist legacy of the 19th century. 1920-1993 is also a very arbitrary timeframe and I have no idea why you would use that.
Noah Wilson
Human governance is not metered by determinist mechanics, it is, in its most final form, predicated upon the varied extant conditions for which it claims to represent the populace in contending with. Communism is merely the removal of the meridian of representation in favor of direct and universal power. Being that these statements must seem like errant and frivolous statements of wont, I could equally quote you volumes of works in our favour, but you hardly seem want to discuss in that manner. Understand at its basis that communism is not a system to compete with capitalism, it is its realization and supersession - at least in philosophical terms (since most of what you posted is vague philosophical gesticulations rather than substantive critique).
Praat Meneer Afrikaans?
Carson Cruz
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Dominic Ortiz
it is my 3rd language im sorry
Ayden Wright
unfortunately an argument of this nature is not something that disappears when you fail to counter it, in fact as time goes on if it remains unchallenged it may be because it is true
Luke Gomez
no a friend hosts a vpn service (and a mumble) in south Africa hens the domain extension.
Colton Allen
no matter how you wish to view the world
everything can be observed and measured by a quanta, or can be deduced to something that both demands and is of a measurable nature that for what we truculently know is both observable and calculable and comparable..
Elijah Myers
These posts were a direct answer to your question, "why would it work better than capitalism for the situation during its possible future era?"
Communism is not an alternative to capitalism. It is the result of capitalism. That is what we're trying to explain to you. Capitalism is unstable. The development of capitalism leads to something different. If we're lucky we get communism. If we're not lucky we'll have world wars and a breakdown of human civilization.
This is a fair criticism, but communist ideas are supposed to be scientific. If they have become non-scientific it is due to degeneration of theory.
Not everyone on leftypol is communist. And even among communists there are many disagreements due to lack of theoretical understanding.
Dylan Hernandez
yes, when there is credible evidence(which there is) then it is not only safe to believe it but in order not to you would need counter evidence, so fare I've seen some good opinions on communism, but no good reports of any credible cited breakthrough has recurred more than once.
similarly if it is based in logic(the reports always are, else thy would fail during peer review) then im going to believe that if A + 5 = 10 and B>A that B!=4 and you would have to provide logical evidence to prove me wrong
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Xavier Davis
regarding your first idea , the idea that capitalism is unstable, if true would meen that communism would not be the solution. capitalist society in general has been running for much longer than communism, by shear data you could see that if capitalism is unstable communism is instantaneously volatile
Asher Cooper
It will get a shot…right between the eyes.
You don't know about dysgenics do you? Probably not, because you are dysgenic.
The USSR was very successful in murdering millions of native Russians.
Lenin would know first-hand about being a faggot.
Isaac Myers
im sory would you like some magic voodoo olololo
even communists and marx was smarter than this
Hudson Lewis
don't be meen dude, this is my attempt at trying to get a good idea of what a working improved version of communism could be
Samuel Long
Is this just another episode of "OP has no clue what socialism is."
Oh and also "OP ignores historical materialism."
Wyatt Gomez
a-are you suggesting that crab people are real? How many more species of humans exist?
Daniel Gray
you accuse me of something that you have yet to prove, or can't you.
probably because you don't understand what a communist is. also this is not about socialism my dear boy, thou it ties in deep there is a difference
Benjamin Perry
Joshua Lee
Firstly, define socialism for me in your own words.
Second, you do know that no country has been communist right?
Hunter Watson
pack it up boys, feudalism, a mode of production which lasted for more than 1000 years proves to be superior again. Time to abandon both capitalism and socialism.
Adrian Mitchell
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Nicholas Carter
It's important to understand OP's position. If he truly has no clue what socialism is then there's no point arguing. It will get us nowhere.
inb4 >imblying this isn't already getting us nowhere
Nicholas Clark
capitalism is very different today than when it first began to emerge.
over time capitalism has required a great amount of "reforms" to maintain itself, and even with all of these reforms it is still unstable. mainstream economists believed that after the early 1980s until 2008 that capitalism had entered a period of "moderation" in which the natural instability of capitalism was now under control and that the business cycle (boom and bust) was minimal. the 2008 crisis proved this was not true, and in fact the system was as unstable as ever but it had taken time for this to become apparent.
communism would not suffer from this instability since the causes of instability would be removed. credit and financial crises would no longer happen due to the fact that all accounting would be done in-kind rather than in monetary terms ($$$). in the capitalist economy there are "discrepancies" that build up over time due to the separation of buyers and sellers as well as monetary "claims on wealth" with the actual existing wealth. when these contradictions finally meet a crisis ensues.
yes, it's true that capitalism has been around for a long time (a few hundred years) but it is not the same capitalism as before, and it is still changing as humanity attempts to solve the problems inherent in capitalism.
Samuel Allen
socialism allows for more leeway in ownership and position
read more here: en.wikipedia.org
regardless of the fact that there is a governing body due to ownership laws, Marxist political and economic, freedoms
diffen.com
the USSR is still considered communist as it bypass some of the key factors of socialism. and may i ad there have been meany versions of communism as well as socialism.
image reminds me of papers please
Ryder Taylor
read that again until you get it
Tyler Hernandez
How exactly did it bypass these "key factors of socialism"?
clever fucker
Cameron Peterson
Oh and also
>diffen.com
If you want to understand socialism, READ SOCIALIST LITERATURE.
Connor Stewart
>in order to understand a, read experts on a
fuck off shill