The Zig Forums Ambassador Program

Henry Ross
Henry Ross

A lack of dialectic has slowed the traffic on this board down to a halt. In order to remedy this problem, we must establish closer diplomatic ties with other internet communities to enable new cultural exchange and thus spiritually enrich the people of Zig Forums. Inter-ideological dialogue is what makes us strong. Seeing that in this digital age it has become all too easy to insulate yourself from other belief-systems, we must take conscious action to stimulate such conversation.

The purpose of this thread is to send official diplomatic envoys to other internet communities. I suggest that our first target be 4/pol/. The proud people of 4/pol/ are known for their slow wits and sharp edge. Their board moves at a fast pace, making it a relatively harmless subject on which to conduct the first trial of this program.

Why reach out to reactionaries?
Zig Forums has always been a borderland between leftist politics and image board culture, the latter of which has now become strongly reactionary. If there is any value to our existence, it is to give the left some grasp on the culture of the alt-right. Without interacting with these reactionaries we cannot fulfill this purpose.
Beyond this there is also the faint hope that we might teach them something.

Are we raiding other boards?
These missions aren't exactly "raids." Raids occur when one community storms another with the intention of disrupting it. We do not want to disrupt anything, only enrich the local population with our presence. Our approach should be civil and well-contained. If this disrupts a community it is their own doing.

Won't they storm our board in return?
Likely. This is part of the purpose of the program. Generate new traffic on our board. Reactionaries might not make very good posters, but their posts form a useful baseline of conversation. There's no better way of refining your theoretical understanding of socialism than repeatedly explaining it to a disingenuous critic.
The dumb debates we have with reactionaries also generate great memes.

What are we doing concretely?
Not sure yet. That's the first thing this thread will have to figure out. My proposal is that we start an official Zig Forums communist thread on 4chan, and then go from there.

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boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/201672679
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/201688993
youtu.be/_GDH0Ylp7bc?t=06m40s
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/201761766
archive.org/details/christianitysoci00rausiala/page/n6
archive.org/details/christianizingth00rausuoft
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boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202079583
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202053690
youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q
gunsamerica.com/900859100/Saiga-308-Cal-Russian-Made-Converted-Ace-Folding-Stock-AK-308-Nato-New-16-Barrel-Mint.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202204828
zigforums.com/thread/12761803/politics
youtube.com/watch?v=AH3CRVVBL9o
zigforums.com/thread/12764903/politics
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202350497
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202617257#p202617257
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202612366#p202626498
discord.gg/SASgcm
zagforums.com/thread/8658495/miscellaneous
desuarchive.org/leftyb/thread/3233/
boards.4channel.org/k/thread/40693653
desuarchive.org/fur/thread/97660/#bottom

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

IMO things like that are a waste of time and energy. Zig Forums talks about influencing other communities since forever, and it has never once worked.

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

4pol thread: boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/201672679

The point isn't to convert them. It's to get dialectics going on our side. See

William Davis
William Davis

I support this tbh. This was one of our initial strategies when the board started and led to the height of traffic.

David Johnson
David Johnson

Most of these idiots will go to 8ch.pl

Matthew Jenkins
Matthew Jenkins

This
I also think we should try to merge back with leftpol.
All that splits us is arguing over individual dead Russians, and R0java autism that appears to be favoring the non sectarianist argument, of Assad, and Y.P.G getting along, with the style of leftism just suiting the local culture.

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Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

I say we go for it, however there's one point where I have to disagree:
Reactionaries might not make very good posters, but their posts form a useful baseline of conversation
Imo this is couldn't be further from the truth. Idk about you guys, but what's the last time a reactionary wanted to start a discussion in good faith? In my case, whenever they come here and start those garbage threads I just can't respond seriously. I either ignore them or shitpost and even on the rare occasions where they do ask something in good faith it tends to be such a garbage question, something that can be answered so easily if they search or they just took the fashy pill so hard that their entire understanding of socialism is already so wrong and fucked up I tend to just shitpost as well, even if I know they want serious answers. I don't always do this however, and I would suggest that when a reactionary irl wants to learn more about socialism then you should answer truthfully and as best as you can, regardless of how retarded their questions or answers might be. But after all this is an imageboard and what can you do other than shitpost in return when a /pol/ack asks for the hundredth time why we are so obsessed with sending black refugees to white countries?

Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

It worked to bring me here personally.

Eli Flores
Eli Flores

Doesn't exist anymore last I checked.

Evan Morgan
Evan Morgan

Apparently I'm banned for BRAAAPposting, damn I didn't even mean to spam or anything the thread it was in was just full of other shitposting so I figured I'd jump in. Fuck 4/pol/ mods tbh

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William Gutierrez
William Gutierrez

we should try to merge back with leftpol
BO is starting to ban people critical of el presidente Maduro without any reason, so I don't think this is going to happen. It's annoying. I am sheltering myself from mainstream news, but hey, at least I know who is currently threatened/supported by NATO forces. I wish BO could ban people in accordance to socialist ethics, not pure reaction to burger government.

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Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

Alright I did my part as /blacknationalist/ flag, tried to converse in good faith but I cant take these retards anymore someone pick up my slack.

Adam Sanchez
Adam Sanchez

I mean leftpol also has twitter level cucks, who want nato intervention to save them from "muh evil man, shooting contras"
If anything this shows leftpol that they should see that this is the optimal current moderation system, as even they're now using it to kill autists

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

Jesus, checked out that thread, didn't last more than a minute at the garbage they spew. Bless OP's soul for trying with those braindead retards. Also, funny how there's still people there that are convinced they are a NutSac board lmao.

Caleb Thomas
Caleb Thomas

You should have given that one curious guy a proper definition of the difference between socialism and communism and defined it as the lower stage and higher stage as defined in the CotGP instead being vague to try to be nuanced. You need to be straightforward with these guys.

Otherwise you were good, nice infograph

Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

Notice how the only "source" the guy had about the welfare in Nazi Germany was a Wikipedia link.

Daniel Butler
Daniel Butler

Yeah I was just trying to give a broader, nonsectarian rundown but I shouldve known that that would just be construed as dodging the question and given the orthodox Marxist response instead.

Isaac Brooks
Isaac Brooks

Or become partners with left youtubers and big leftist subreddits so they bring people here, eh how bout that

Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

we're too degenerate.
it'd get rid of the boards shit posting, an affiliation would be better due to it not making them look like crazy fucks who pop lsd, and visit /x/

Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

But the orthodox marxist response is saying socialism and communism are the same thing. If anything telling them what your average socialist would've said (differentiating between socialism and communism) is a more leninist answer, which ofc there's nothing wrong with that, I myself also take the leninist stance.

Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

kys if you shit on maduro. its like … killing a cow. cow arent smart, but they're our Friends.
its like shitting on allende during the coup
no matter how much they're socdem, they deserve our support when you see what they're up against

Jordan Brooks
Jordan Brooks

This is a complete waste of time and effort.You will never bring anyone on 4chan over to your side because 4chan is a "free speech" board, which in reality means dogmatically defending capitalism and reaction to the last breath. 4chan is mostly used by Westerners and westerners live in a heavily capitalist society, so "freedom" to them basically means the right suppress everyone else and enforce capitalism and bourgeoisie culture.

4chan and other internet communities are never going to accept marxism. Its been tried time after time after time and never worked. They're literally too dumb and brainwashed. If you want to make a brave last stand and go and argue with those fucking endless hordes of retards all day while they dogpile, strawman or just generally post dumb memes at you then go ahead. But I wouldn't waste the effort.

Levi Gutierrez
Levi Gutierrez

I have to disagree with this, given I was a reactionary and I turned thanks to the efforts of a few Marxists.

Oliver Garcia
Oliver Garcia

On 4chan though? The problem with 4chan is that its self-reinforcing. Go to /pol/ frontpage and what is there: a thread about fantasizing about rape, a thread depicting a video where a left winger is being beaten up by right wingers, some stupid neo-nazi meme that debunked years ago and other dumb shit. You can't argue with them on their home turf.

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

Which is why you gotta bring them out of it and onto here. That's arguably one of the first steps to helping them.

It can be done, fatalism and this defeatist attitude helps no one.

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

Critically aid nazbol poster in this anti-autism crusade

Juan Hall
Juan Hall

Thread died. New thread: boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/201688993
The point isn't to convert people. It's to generate more traffic for our board. Pushing /pol/ around is fun. People will turn up for that shit.

Joshua Gray
Joshua Gray

Good effort from the last thread. It's nice that you have a Zizek OP and I would recommend steering away from Pepes or Wojaks because fuck them tbh.

Brandon Roberts
Brandon Roberts

I'm thinking we should branch out, have a wider range of left wing discussion on /pol/.

They can attack and avoid the Zig Forums general because it's just an abstract to them, it's just "communism". I'm thinking if we made a thread on Paul Cockshott, for example, they wont be able to just dismiss it with "Communism lol"

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Logan Scott
Logan Scott

This is really dumb. All you need to do is look at the linked pol thread to see what a fucking stupid idealist plan this was.

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

NIGGER WE JUST GOTTA KEEP TRYING NEVER GIVE UP

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

We need a lot of infographs on hand, everyone dump what you got

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Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

"nice jpgs faggot lol"

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

Sorry but they're not going to read that. Right wingers are dumb as fuck, unless its some stupid meme they literally can't digest it.

Asher Green
Asher Green

The achievements of the USSR were linked to the industrialization, not socialism or "Stalin's great leadership".

Kevin Jenkins
Kevin Jenkins

youtu.be/_GDH0Ylp7bc?t=06m40s

Anthony Powell
Anthony Powell

This is such a stupid argument I don't know where to begin.

Christian Nguyen
Christian Nguyen

OP you are a hero. Also ty for not taking the blatant bait some of those niggers were posting.

Ian Jenkins
Ian Jenkins

Then why do some countries industrialise and some don't? How come the USSR grew and industrialised during the Great Depression?

Carter Cooper
Carter Cooper

HAHAHAHAHA shut the fuck up

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

Yo well job on taking the bait there you dumb negroids. As if there even were unironic socdems on leftypol

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

CringePilled useless and Borderline /pol/yp bait
Why the hell should I want to provoke /pol/yps into shitting up the board? Just to get its traffic up on Muh leaderboard XD?

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

So they come here and we put our debating skills into practice, or lose our minds at the sheer ignorance, give up and kill ourselves.

Levi Stewart
Levi Stewart

Oh you sweet summer child. But you know what, you have to try for yourself. Go debate amons on /pol/ with facts and logic.

Hint: people aren't right wing for reasons that depend on facts and logic

Elijah Diaz
Elijah Diaz

you won't get far, right-wing forum moderators control and steer the narrative as soon as a lefty or even a liberal speaks with something resembling sense. you usually get flooded with retarded "dank" memes at first, and when that doesn't work, they swing the banhammer and you're done.

these people aren't ignorant. they know exactly what they're doing. some of the dumbass followers don't know, but it's hit or miss whether they're going to eventually see sense or if they stay in the echo chamber that feels good and validates them.

I tried to leftpill right-leaning hangouts on reddit and got doxed and followed by some shitlords, so there's definitely more going on than just people saying ignorant shit and spewing propaganda. I don't have a lot of hope, especially with much of the left being honeypots and pozzed types.

You might have better luck in spaces that aren't explicitly right-tarded, where the narrative hasn't been dictated for them by the sort of people I mentioned. There isn't even a need to say loudly and proudly you're a communist or agitate for a revolution or any of the usual tropes, in fact talking about revolution memes is counterproductive. So long as you have a firm grasp of Marxism and critical theory and know of what you're talking about, it's usually possible to at least stall the spread of right-wing retardation among the neutrals. For example, "race realism" can easily be exposed, so long as you don't fall into the trap of responding with empty platitudes about how all races are indistinguishable from each other, or say stupid stuff like claiming there isn't a white or European race. If you just scream at them with those empty platitudes, you're just giving the right wings ammunition to appeal to white identity politics and the typical horseshit associated with such (which is probably why such false consciousness has been deliberately disseminated among the left).

Robert Reed
Robert Reed

thats why it needs a collective effort, one person alone does nothing, if we keep posting threads here for multiple people to pile in and make in constant we can make a dent

Grayson Sullivan
Grayson Sullivan

Made another one: boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/201761766
You might have better luck in spaces that aren't explicitly right-tarded, where the narrative hasn't been dictated for them by the sort of people I mentioned.
You can do some of that if you like. It'd be great to have some different initiatives going.

Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson

Screencap as proof that this board tries to raid and subvert other boards.

Logan Cooper
Logan Cooper

abloobloo yeh whatever put it in the file next to your cuck porn file

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

Good idea. Spread it around.

Ryan Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez

if you honestly believe we were just going to leave you in your safe space you are retarded, we have always and will always convert retarded alt-righties away from their self-destructive ideology and into a leftist understanding of the world. It's good for your health.

Nicholas Smith
Nicholas Smith

Mommie they're in my safe space again!

James Baker
James Baker

do it
fools

Brody Ward
Brody Ward

I'm thinking if we made a thread on Paul Cockshott, for example, they wont be able to just dismiss it with "Communism lol"
/pol/yps don't actually read anything though. This is the problem when trying to recruit literal 60-80 Autism Level retards, it is easier to communicate with Coco the Gorilla than a typical aut-right dumbass, they are more drawn by aesthetics than actual theory.

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

consider: first lure them to no longer be so radical, then strike.

Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

To me it seems impossible to "de-radicalize" the radicals on the right, you can only shift their focus to hopefully align with our own. They are absolutely obsessed with in-groups and out-groups, they unironically see the world as an endless race-war instead of class struggle, and any time you attempt to deconstruct that race-war narrative you are labeled a subversive race-traitor or Jew or shill or something or other and are effectively barred from any further conversation, you are "outed" from the group. God forbid you reveal that you aren't white, at that point they cease to even converse with you and just resort to outright hostility from the get-go.

If there is some way to deconstruct the race-war narrative without being immediately banished from conversation, and reveal to them the honest truth of class conflict being the essence of all human history, then they might be able to be deprogrammed, but really it seems like a lost cause for the majority of them. We ought to be reaching out to less radical communities, /pol/yps require a vast amount of energy to deprogram.

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

See I fell into /pol/'s shit before and grew out of it, I don't think you should take the stereotype of /pol/ not reading as a rule–after all I'd say they're not more or less informed than the typical normie, just misinformed.
Starting off with a Paul Cockshott thread gives the impression of something coming from within the board itself, while a Zig Forums general gives the impression of something foreign coming into the board just in the title alone.

I'd say the key to helping them is to be patient, friendly, and most importantly: to lure them away from /pol/. Given the chance you should include links to Zig Forums here as once they start browsing, they could get addicted and slowly find their view shifting. That's part of what happened to me.

Lucas Peterson
Lucas Peterson

I was a /pol/yp years ago too, and honestly it took a lot of energy to convince myself that it was utter delusion, I think when it comes to the far-right they need to mostly get here on their own, because I know for a fact that nobody but myself was going to be able to convince me to drop the cringey right-wing shit no matter what facts I was presented with. I needed some drastic, real lifestyle changes to snap out of the /pol/yp fever dream, these are things beyond our control, I think the most we can do is just act as a beacon for those who might have the personal drive to break free from the /pol/yp rhetoric, because any intervention, at least in my case, was met with immediate hostility.

John Torres
John Torres

You cannot actively reason away anyone's beliefs through debate. The change comes from "within", all you can do is plant a seed and hope it grows. For someone on the far right who expects a Nazi masturbation fantasy in the future they are too far gone.

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

Could it possibly be that they are not all uniform in mindset and it may be possible to reach some through these methods, but not all?

Jacob Sanders
Jacob Sanders

"Right-wing thought" is not based on facts or logic you can't convert them by just explaining statistical facts to them and shit

This is beginning to sound very liberal

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

See what I mean? You got archived after one day. If any conversation starts going against the narrative the moderators want, the thread is quickly locked. I've seen information control work enough times to pick up on how this works.

I believe they have a defense plan in place if there were a massive left raid on their safe space, and they have the money to flood the zone with a bunch of horseshit to drown out a left intrusion, even if they have to do it with bots once the right-tard ideology loses too many genuine supporters.

I think you're thinking about this the wrong way. The right has never really been concerned with hearts and minds, of actually getting people on board with their ideology. It's more about controlling the zones of engagement in society, and securing state support or monied interests to "permit" the right to engage in its typical thuggery (because they won't stand on their own, and they don't want others to be able to stand on their own, that would be anathema to their program). You can try appealing to hearts and minds all day but, aside from being correct, you don't have much else going for you. Being correct doesn't win wars.

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

lolwut? Where are you getting this from? Zig Forums is vastly worse regarding red liberals.

no matter how much they're socdem, they deserve our support when you see what they're up against
Even if Madura was personally eating Venezuelan babies, it wouldn't be an argument for US intervention. Speaking as an anarchist Maduro is far from the worst to call themselves socialist but he definitely has serious flaws (GET OFF THAT OIL DEPENDENCY NIGGA). Having a nuanced view of a person doesn't take away from having a black and white stance on whether or not it's wrong for the US to coup them.

Carter Butler
Carter Butler

What do you mean? We got archived because we reached the bump limit of 300 posts. Are you familiar with how image boards work?

Jackson Scott
Jackson Scott

Starting off with a Paul Cockshott thread gives the impression of something coming from within the board itself, while a Zig Forums general gives the impression of something foreign coming into the board just in the title alone.
It is typical for generals to brand themselves as a board of their own. Further, indicating that we are from Zig Forums from the get-go prevents people calling us a conspiracy, and thereby takes away an excuse mods might have to ban us.

John Reyes
John Reyes

I am generally under the impression things like this do not work Bc people need a SELF realization that they were wrong, not to be told they are wrong.

Charles Robinson
Charles Robinson

Huh, that makes a lot of sense when I think about it. Never had thought of this before. And it worked for me, I used to be a socdem but now a proper socialist.

Landon Mitchell
Landon Mitchell

They work when you can outnumber people and make them feel like they have an opinion very much outside of everyone around them. We don't have the numbers to do that on 4/pol/ without circumventing the captcha and botting.
Reasoned debate does nothing, and we don't have the posting power to propagandize effectively against that much traffic.

The actual best thing to do on 4/pol/ is datamine and look at the opponent's hand to formulate counterintelligence strategies to the right wing agenda. This includes spying on discords, vacuuming up data using surveys, doxxing, etc.

Juan Adams
Juan Adams

Yeah like when I was an “anarchist” I became pretty disheartened by some feminist shit that made me realize that stuff was a sham, even at that time if someone from this board came along and tried to recruit me I probably would have called them a fascist or some shit cause generally no one wants to be told their values are wrong by someone else.

Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

I mean debunking their bullshit is never a bad idea, Doubt it’s gonna concert anyone though.

Noah Torres
Noah Torres

And most of that was filled with nonsense and you talking into the wind. The narrative control succeeded, and you accomplished basically nothing. That's what they want. Like I said, the first step is to flood the zone with a bunch of memeshit to derail any potentially meaningful discourse.

If you could bring a friend, then maybe you can double-team boards and present the argument that you have supporters, but eventually they catch on to this and accuse you of making sockpuppets, demanding proof, and other sorts of ways to stall discussion. If you start winning enough though, they'll just ban you, and when that doesn't work they start ratfucking with you and try to smear your reputation elsewhere on the internet. These thugs have pretty far reach (and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some intelligence agencies in the mix to steer the overall internet narrative… I mean, it was proven that an Air Force base churned out a shit ton of posts and upvotes on reddit, so there's definitely potential for this sort of information control).

Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

we should make a discord room for doing this, vet all incomers though

Gavin Bailey
Gavin Bailey

If you want to go for it, I have time to waste but I'm a bad evangelist since I'm a disgusting NEET.

Hudson Bailey
Hudson Bailey

And most of that was filled with nonsense and you talking into the wind.
Like I said, the first step is to flood the zone with a bunch of memeshit to derail any potentially meaningful discourse.
Isn't that literally what their entire board is? All they're doing is maintaining an active communist thread.
The narrative control succeeded, and you accomplished basically nothing.
There has been no consistent narrative to speak of. Onlookers only get one clear impression: Communists are a part of the /pol/ landscape, and a heavily contested one at that. This is all that I intend to accomplish. It gets the dialectic in motion.
Remember the fucking Bronies? Everyone on 4chan hated them and that's exactly why people got into that shit. All those guys had was an unexpectedly fine cartoon show, we have fucking Karl Marx.
No discords. Makes us seem like secret internet army faggots.

Ian Evans
Ian Evans

This.
Can somebody photoshop the IWW logo onto that "nothing is beyond our reach" meme btw

Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore

Had an idea of making a liberation theology general on /christian/ to appeal to some of our religious comrades.

Anyone have any good PDFs on Christian Communism/Socialism? Preferably with more of a theology focus? Thanks and God Bless.

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Luis Martin
Luis Martin

It'd be more productive to convert radlibs

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Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

Fourth pic needs Zizek.

Cameron Barnes
Cameron Barnes

Yes it is. You cannot debunk it because they don't care, especially on half-chan, which is almost certainly a covert branch of the CIA now. The mods do their best to make life as hard as possible for anything even remotely left wing while signal boosting and shilling right wing views. 4chan is not a "free speech" board, its a right wing think tank. I wouldn't be surprised if the Koch Brothers themselves were mods.

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

READ WALTER

Christianity and the Social Crisis:

archive.org/details/christianitysoci00rausiala/page/n6

Christianizing the Social Order:

archive.org/details/christianizingth00rausuoft

Tbh /christian/ is a /pol/ colony and there are unironic racists and holocaust deniers on there so it's kind of waste of time.

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Cameron Lopez
Cameron Lopez

I did a nazbol general a month ago on 4pol, and it got to 70 post in 35 mins before getting shutdown. It felt awful, but the strategy was to get brainlets reading Marxist literature. But 50% was r/thedonald boomers that had never heard of nazbol telling me there would be helicopter rides, another nazbol shitposter got in on it, maybe 20% NutSac posters saying nazbol was Jewish cultural Marxism lel. And 30% were generally curious. I wouldnt repeat this strategy , it felt disingenuous, and there was no topical bait to discuss.

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Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers

How about read Dostoevsky's demons and stop being a leftoid ideologue/useful idiot, cunt

Anthony Roberts
Anthony Roberts

No arguments or refutations provided

Why should I read anything you suggest when you refuse to read what I have provided? Besides, Dostoevsky wasn't a pastor and lacks the theological knowledge and experience Walter Rauschenbusch has, not to mention Demons is, guess what, FICTION. Smh what are you going to recommend for me to read next, Atlas Shrugged?

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Xavier Gomez
Xavier Gomez

you think the right doesn't have various secret internet armies

Carter Lee
Carter Lee

The reason I'm uneasy about going down that rabbit-hole is that /pol/ has already pigeonholed us that way. Whenever Zig Forums is mentioned they start sperging over some cringy screencaps they found in the past. We leftists tend to be easier about being "cringy" than them. Our ideological edifice doesn't depend on us maintaining our masculine image. That always leads to them discovering something to focus in on, something that generates a narrative about us being soyboy cucks or whatever. That's what I want to avoid.

Kevin Wilson
Kevin Wilson

A lack of dialectic has slowed the traffic on this board down to a halt
What does this even mean?

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

A dangerous game you play.

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William Cook
William Cook

t. pleb unenlightened as to Marx's science of dialectics

James Torres
James Torres

Oh i se
its a raid that isnt a raid
how fucking clever you communist kikes
was wondering where the shit on our board was comming from and i finnally fuckin found it
welp niggers
this is going to be fun

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James Powell
James Powell

not want to be mean but it seems that image it's making fun of you

Jonathan Barnes
Jonathan Barnes

Ann Coulter
Trump
Lauren Southern
90% of the bookshelf is halo videogames and books

This meme was supposed to make you guys look good??????

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Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

That post is obviously a joke you spastics

Joseph Gomez
Joseph Gomez

This was the original image
I edited it for accuracy

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Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

welp, you never know these days, have a ball

Levi Garcia
Levi Garcia

James Watson can't be wrong because he did one thing right :DDD
Jews control the gov because correlation=causation guyz!!!11!!1
hahaha, saying nigger is much funnier than joking about your pain
Autism is powerful when it comes to these speds

Elijah Richardson
Elijah Richardson

Nah fam he's serious

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Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

Why only try on the chans? There are still plenty of other forums etc on the web. I personally post on Gamefaqs since I was a kid. I do my best to shill leftypol there (mostly just gommunism in general), there must be something like that for some of you too.

Sebastian Johnson
Sebastian Johnson

I don't want to sound mean, again, but why don't you guys shill /marx/ instead? is it because the shitposting nature of this board may make it more accesible to newcomers?

Caleb Long
Caleb Long

It's so that they can get perma banned by the Zig Forums BO for WrongThink and get turned off of leftism forever.

Robert Myers
Robert Myers

That too, even a conservative will get banned here, couldn't make it harder for anyone that wishes to join. In the other hand there's the baboon poster, constantly banned but keeps coming back, each time a little more commie than before.

Carson Martin
Carson Martin

it requires temporary brainlets read
begone leftpol "muh Stalin" cuck

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Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

Why would I shill /marx/ when I don't even post on there?

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

If you don't agree get out of my safe space :DDD

The point of this thread is talking about trying to initiate outreach to others, brainlet. Contain your autism for at least this thread.

I think we have at least one conservative on here - that poster who always posts with the Republican flag. Unfortunately I think he got perma banned for questioning the Venezuelan constituent assembly lmao.

Michael Martinez
Michael Martinez

Baboonanon is more than a poster. He's an idea.

Jackson Miller
Jackson Miller

And ideas….. cannot be sent to the zoo…

Nathaniel Wilson
Nathaniel Wilson

fuck I was starting to post this before you made the second part

except my favourite one said 'KILL NIGGERS' but I can't be bothered to edit it.

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Blake Cook
Blake Cook

who gives a fuck, yes they will always screech about something and say bad things about the left. So what they are retards

Brandon Sanders
Brandon Sanders

You call /pol/ reactionaries, yet Zig Forums, itself, is a reaction to /pol/. Your arguments cannot hold water against absolute truth. That’s why you had to create your own safe space. If your arguments were grounded in reality you’d have no trouble making them on /pol/.

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Xavier Ross
Xavier Ross

Nazism is absolute truth

ho boy

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Aiden Smith
Aiden Smith

Cringe.

Angel Adams
Angel Adams

Cringe & sadpilled.

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Christian Cruz
Christian Cruz

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Angel Phillips
Angel Phillips

Zig Forums, itself, is a reaction to /pol/
discussing critical theory & marxist stuff is a reaction to /pol/

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Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson

Zig Forums was made because because a change in moderation caused 8/pol/ to no longer be a place where you could openly discuss leftist politics, as it was a stormfag torture chamber where you'd be permabanned for it. It got to the point where the creator of the site called /pol/ out for it. All the original posters and the BO were /pol/ users, as the board here, once upon a time, was reasonable and had varied political discussion.

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Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

If Zig Forums was a reaction to /pol/, then /pol/ and all the users therein disappearing would deprive us of topics of discussion or targets to be upset about and blame for our shortcomings. This is not true, and all that would change is less raiding and retarded falseflagging. Conversely, without Zig Forums, /pol/ would turn to accusing other groups to be absolutely everywhere and autistically screeching, and if those other groups disappear, then /pol/ will eventually turn upon itself.

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Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

left
Ah, again you mean liberals and no, they are indeed capitalists. So much for basing your arguments in reality.

Ethan Powell
Ethan Powell

All these (You)s for a generic /pol/ post

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

This is never going to work. Zig Forums got its members through /pol/'s gigantic glorious uprisings raising awareness, raiders coming here and getting educated, and people fleeing "ideological purity" circlejerks and identity politics hellholes like Reddit. The BO's little "imperialism" spergout has destroyed the board's reputation as a place of open discussion, as anyone who was remotely critical of marxism-leninism or third world nations was banned. Zig Forums is absolutely dying as a result (from 2000 unique ISPs to barely above a quarter of that and the largest PPH on the site to being lower than /cow/) of this and will never recover, as all the people capable and willing of creating original content are gone, as well as most of the original posters. Uploading the images externally because Zig Forums is having a seizure right now.
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Owen Allen
Owen Allen

where did they all go?

Benjamin James
Benjamin James

2806359
lol that's gay

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

Most have just straight up left Zig Forums. With no real left wing community to replace leftypol, as all the rest tend to be very, very tightly controlled, I don't think they're 'anywhere'.

Jaxson Jenkins
Jaxson Jenkins

2806359
Bureaucracy suppressed innovation
<First nuclear power plant
<Development of the largest thermonuclear experimental facility in the world
<Invention of the LED
<underwater welding
<therapies against infectious diseases that were based on bacteriophage virus
<First artificial organ transplant

Interesting

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Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

Those people would disgustingly corrupt and colonize our board with their shitty neoliberal dialectic.

Leftypol is one of very few places that actually puts forth ideas of reasonable scientific socialism rather than crackpot social theories and welcoming in redditor idpol/youtube zealots would destroy everything the board stands for.
Read zizek
rightists are radicalized because of the failings of the modern self-proclaimed 'left'. If it wasn't for liberals' obsessive idpol pushing, /pol/ would never have become relevant.
cringe
The actual alt-right has turned against pinochet idolization and view him as a kissinger-installed tool for capitalist jewish control so that's something
I've noticed a greater shift leftward in the more intellectual circles but r/thedonald types will always be grugs

Jackson Sanders
Jackson Sanders

rightists are radicalized because of the failings of the modern self-proclaimed 'left'. If it wasn't for liberals' obsessive idpol pushing, /pol/ would never have become relevant.
I agree 100%, I'm just saying it is difficult to deprogram someone once they have embraced the /pol/ ideology.

Jaxon Davis
Jaxon Davis

You can easily make them sympathetic because the powers which attack class conscious leftists also attack /pol/ types to solidify the 'woke' capitalist control on power. For example a lot of pol likes Corbyn for calling out international finance and zionism despite the disagreements they have.

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

2806436
untrue go read spartacus trade unions article

Landon Nguyen
Landon Nguyen

WORD IS YOU COCKSUCKERS JUST TRIED TO WALK INTO VOAT

we hang communists like you lot on our fucking turf!

Xavier Morgan
Xavier Morgan

just let us express ourselves

David Jones
David Jones

when you're so retarded you can't even defend your torture chamberes on reddit, so you have to subvert a growing site and transform it into a safe space

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Dylan Peterson
Dylan Peterson

wtf is this

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

Dude, fucking Distributists (which could barely even be called leftist) get banned from /pol/. What the fuck are you going on about implying that /pol/ isn't a "safespace"?

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Lucas Gonzalez
Lucas Gonzalez

Nice anecdote, but nazbol is banned on Zig Forums too.
As opposed to this board who wants to raid and subvert other boards?

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Lucas Ortiz
Lucas Ortiz

we tried raiding this one time and you are already crying

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

Nope, this is just the attempt of this year, Zig Forums has tried to le expand itself since it was created and failed because commies and liberals backstab each other or right wingers just say no.

Matthew Cooper
Matthew Cooper

Kek nice revisionist history there. We were at one point closing in on /pol/'s position as second-top board of Zig Forums. Then our BO went full retard and started banning everyone not towing the line on imperialism and other stuff and we lost our userbase.

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Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

1. liberals aren't left
2. you probably don't hear about the right wingers that turned left because you spend all time locked in your echochamberrrr

Jayden Turner
Jayden Turner

/pol/acks are such babies that they can't handle non-right wing discussion which explicitly fits in with the rules of /pol/
Look at the newfag. Look at him and laugh.

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Jose Parker
Jose Parker

The funniest thing is that most of our users knew about the board from /pol/ constantly crying about raids which never actually happened. Which, fo course, lead people to check the board for raids, or counter raid.

Caleb Wright
Caleb Wright

All the original posters and the BO were /pol/ users

This really isnt true. I wasnt here for the exact inception but the board was mostly populated by halfchan /lit/ after they started cracking down on the big leftist community there. Stirner and a few other memes were /lit/ originally.

Matthew White
Matthew White

The best way forward for Zig Forums, the only way to restore its userbase, is shit like OP's suggesting but in more places than half/pol/, in tandem with BO and jannies relaxing moderation significantly. Someone should have to very obviously be a fed or spamming terrible shit to get banned. Personally I think anchors and character limits are actually good and moderation has improved recently but there's still some questionable bans. We should really organize, maybe in this thread, some outreach posting on Reddit leftist subs on off hours with throwaway accounts under the guise of "hey guys I'm new to socialism, my friend showed me Zig Forums and it's a bit messier but I'm wondering why they have much more open discussion than happens here?" Maybe that's too sneaky or shilly but I know that even good faith outreach threads on Reddit would be immediately deleted.

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Austin Hughes
Austin Hughes

Go back to your safespace, kekflake

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Adrian King
Adrian King

Kek nice revisionist history there. We were at one point closing in on /pol/'s position as second-top board of Zig Forums.
LOL, I counted, Zig Forums has never been at least 1/2 of /pol/, let alone second-top board.
The funniest thing is that most of our users knew about the board from /pol/ constantly crying about raids which never actually happened.
Aside from the fags that spam communism 24/7 on 4cuck?
Surprise, it still doesn't increase the board number. Most arrivals of Zig Forums come straight from leddit and tumblr and twitter.

Austin Brown
Austin Brown

Yeah I wasn't from /pol/ either, I came to this site for /furry/ and stayed for Zig Forums.

Alexander Lopez
Alexander Lopez

to he honest the commieposters are the least of 4pol's problems.

If I were them would rather take an intellectual thread about marx than 10+ porn spam threads at any given time.
Halfchan boards have been under attack from dedicated raid discords responsible for cuckposting/traps/etc for quite a while now which is a far bigger problem than any lefties posting.

Andrew Reyes
Andrew Reyes

If I were them would rather take an intellectual thread about marx than 10+ porn spam threads at any given time.
Funny because they come from the same leftist discords who fucking hate /pol/.

They both deserve to be cleaned. The commies are on /pol/ to spam, not to discuss shit.

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

discussing things
/pol/
Let's be real though, but the only worthwhile shit you mongrels have there is /sg/
The rest is just autistic amerikans and europeans/south americans wishing they were amerikan

Matthew Barnes
Matthew Barnes

those discords aren't leftist they're just disgusting freaks

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

Okay, let's try actually doing something.
New thread: boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202079583

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Ian Clark
Ian Clark

Hegel was an idealist? Also I keep hearing that despite being a termed coined by Stalin after Lenin died, marxism-leninism is basically the same as leninism so was Lenin technically a marxist-leninist?

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

Hegel was a self-described idealist.

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

knip programma
ok boemer
print screen -> plakken in ms paint -> selectie maken -> kopiëren -> canvas lekker klein maken -> plakken

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

Posting on /Pol/

Nigga what's the point? You're not going to convince anyone getting dogpiled 10 on 1 with 'lul the left can't meme and killed 1 billion people'. Their brains are too diseased to learn anything, better to just run up on one RL and stab him in the back alley.

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Anthony James
Anthony James

Even if we get a single supporter, it's more than what the mainstream left is doing(that is, shielding itself and avoiding all sort of "problematic" comrades)

Julian Young
Julian Young

Take a look at the thread. It's going pretty well.

Cooper Martin
Cooper Martin

The only positive responses are from us, it's a waste of time.

Brody Rivera
Brody Rivera

there are ways of making points

buddy, my family fought in Texan revolution and civil war, we have maintained this land for almost 2 centuries. I will die before I let some dirty Spic or Nigger have a apart of this beautiful state
God Bless Texas

my answer: tell me son, you think if your community was given democratic control of the resources they would kick you and your family out, or do you think perhaps there are other families in your community who also like living in family homes and would vote to keep their homes because of this?

you have a point, if we had true democracy, we would have never lived in fear of being ethnically replaced. the Federal government has screwed us over multiple times by ceiling what the people voted for "unconstitutional", the feds will never lets us democracy, in a true peoples republic I would have the right to defend the border myself with my countrymen and not relying on a federal government too pussy to actually shoot invaders if this once great nation

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

This is perfect, something we should do much more often. Take things rightwingers like/are identified with and tell them how capitalism will fuck them up and ruin them and the only way to save these things is through socialism.
Example:
<I'm a patriot and love my nation, socialism is anti-nation cancer
Because of capitalism most if not all natural resources of your country are controlled by multimillionaire foreigners who have never stepped a foot in your nation and see your country as a moneybag to exploit and exploit until there's nothing left. Capitalism also ruins the natural beauty of your country through pollution and heavy exploitaition of your natural resources. And lastly, your nation is controlled by one of three superpowers through soft (or hard) imperialism/neocolonialism. Your country is one of many bitches of an imperialist country that sees your country only as a means to expand their own interests. If you truly are a patriot and love your country, you must be an anti-capitalist.

Alexander King
Alexander King

you think most of these people were fascisrs before their exposure to internet memes?

Adam Hall
Adam Hall

Most of those memes were made by /pol/yps so probably yes.

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

na new t/d wave were all liberals until 10 minutes ago

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

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Austin Cooper
Austin Cooper

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202053690 just for amusies the alt light are melting down over joe rogan alex jones split

Noah Collins
Noah Collins

so instead of capitalists as a whole it's just jews?

Eli Moore
Eli Moore

I got banned from bunkerchan's leftypol for no reason. Maybe it's because I post too much there.
Still pretty sad about that, but I'll be in Zig Forums's leftypol then.

Aaron Bell
Aaron Bell

Ask Space to lift the ban, he's the BO on /leftpol/

Lincoln Nelson
Lincoln Nelson

It's smiling rich people all the way down

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Cooper Davis
Cooper Davis

no. /pol/ doesn't care about classes

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

What happens is:
Imagine an musician father wants to make his children goes to school.
This father say to his son "if you go to the school everyday santa claus will give you a nintendo switch at christimas", the father dont believe at that shit but say that to FORCE (with lites) the children go to school.
This is the tatic the elites do with people.

The thing is that the children, because is extremely excited about this awesome guy called santa, because he didnt understood very well the story or just he has some questions about it, may ask:
"How is santa claus able to move faster than light?"
The father will have to come with some theory about it.

Then the children will them ask "but how his clothes wont burn while he move this fast?"
The father will also answer it with some fake explanation.

Then children ask "but if santa claus will clone a nintendo switch and give it to me thats literally mp3 piracy that you, as a musician complain about, but with real life itens. Are you ok with me being ok with piracy"

Now the children created a situation the father cant escape, he can say its ok to receive the nintendo switch from santa claus, but by saying that he is also saying its ok to be ok with piracy.
Or he can say piracy is a bad thing, but them the children wont go to school anymore because getting a nintendo switch was the only reason to go to school.
The father will be forced to contradict himself, if he wants the children to go to school and will say "yes piracy is ok".

After more and more questions the father will have an hard time to come with explanations, and will say to his sons, "do you have any prejudice against bearded people?", "do you have prejudice against fat people?", the idea is to make this son stop making questions without having to answer them. The answer is also to make sure that his brothers stop listening to this questioning son.

Brody Miller
Brody Miller

FINAL PART

Some of the brothers will start to think everyone that question santa claus has prejudice against bearded people and will complain, and will complain with this guy and everyone at school, everytime they question santa claus theory.

Anyway, the fact that this father dont really believe at this santa claus theory, create alot of plot holes, and assuming an children still believe the santa claus theory, this means the children dont really understand it and can't fully discuss it and like the father will have alot of plot holes at their explanations.

Christian Wilson
Christian Wilson

big think

Isaiah Hughes
Isaiah Hughes

You guys have some pretty decent takes but the contortions you do to avoid the Jewish Question is really quite stupifying. Not Socialism is the only socialism that actually tried to address the current cause of the problem which is a rootless cosmopolitan clique with uniquely sociopathic tendencies and ubiquitous control of banking and media throughout most of the world. Are you really all too shortsighted to see that the establishment is totally okay with people identifying with Marxism, etc. but the moment someone says the "Hey, maybe the 'Nazis' weren't that bad" they get shut the fuck down and even end up in prison in places like Canada and the UK?

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Liam Gomez
Liam Gomez

god fuck off NAZIS WERE NOT SOCIALISTS YOU STUPID RETARD

Landon Green
Landon Green

spiritual and heroic values

Lol retarded, like all of Evola's and his fellow reactionaries' bullshit.

Jacob Ross
Jacob Ross

the establishment is totally okay with people identifying with Marxism

Marxism is conctete unlike the specter you have conjured of it.

Marx also answered "the Jewish question".

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Lincoln Torres
Lincoln Torres

I never know if I should take this shit seriously. I mean, I know I shouldn't, but I never know if a person like this who actually doesn't start off with memes is being honest.

Ethan Cooper
Ethan Cooper

We need to take back Twitter.

fuckin SJWs and liberals & reddit is a worthless arena

Juan Sullivan
Juan Sullivan

You didn't answer my question. Why is the establishment okay with one and not the other?
So what do you suggest should motivate a society then?
Being totally honest here famalam.

Lucas Reed
Lucas Reed

what should motivate a society?

Nihilist here, asking the wrong person fam.

Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

Nihilist here
Why are you here then? Go do drugs and fuck easy women, political struggles are for people who care about society.

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Michael Long
Michael Long

spirituality is autistic / schizo , selfish

heroism is individualistic not collectivist

ego-based mindset is fatal to the species

Joshua Barnes
Joshua Barnes

heroism is individualistic not collectivist
Excuse me? That's the exact opposite of correct. Heroism is about sacrificing yourself for your people. What was the highest honor that could be bestowed on a Soviet citizen
spirituality is autistic / schizo , selfish
Let me throw buzzwords around in an attempt to discredit one of the fundamental aspects of the human condition
Spirituality, again, contributes to being unselfish. You want people to behave as a collective but you think that admiring people who do unselfish things and having teachings that encourage morality is "autistic." How do you plan to encourage collective action? The only answer I can see is indoctrinating everyone from birth to do so, but we can see how that worked in the USSR.

William Long
William Long

So are nihilists too nihilistic to kill themselves, or does their inability to end their meaningless lives mean that they're not actually nihilist?
Spirituality is admittedly a somewhat vague word, but think of it like knowing your place in the universe. It's the opposite of materialism.
A hero is someone who sacrifices themselves for the greater good, which is actually pretty "collectivist."
Someone may want to become a hero for egotistical reasons, but in an ideal society, the ideal of a hero would be someone who acts out of selflessness.

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

Marx was a materialist and anti-metaphysics . just like analytic school

Jace Collins
Jace Collins

knowing your place in the universe
This is even more vague than saying "spirituality", can you actually elaborate on what spirituality actually means by your definition?

Julian Sullivan
Julian Sullivan

Believing that you have to precisely follow the teachings of a man that's been dead for over a hundred years seems very religious to me.

Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

what if he was right tho

Aaron Rogers
Aaron Rogers

Which is why I'm not a Marxist.

Noah Wilson
Noah Wilson

But he's been proven incorrect on multiple subjects. Factually incorrect, as opposed to say, Jesus, where most of his teachings were purely subjective and moral.

Simplest example would be where communist revolutions would happen. He predicted they'd take power in capitalist societies first. But when they tried they were suppressed due to a lack of popular support. They were able to take power in undeveloped agricultural societies like Russia and China, places that Marx specifically said would not become communist until after they reached a capitalist stage.

Angel Martin
Angel Martin

okay am just communist then

Zachary James
Zachary James

Are you trying to make some kind of point here?

Brandon Morales
Brandon Morales

His fundamental aspects and critique on capitalist society and it's mode of production are correct though and have not been discredited even in modern society. Just because he was wrong on where revolution would take place dosn't discredit hie economical writings.

Anyway you're deluding yourself if you think Marxists follow Marx like a omnipotent god and not just a influential and very clever individual who layed the basis for further Marxist analysis and did a crushingly good job at pointing out the fundamental flaws in Capitalism and how the base and superstructure of society complement each-other

Daniel Collins
Daniel Collins

Marx literally called Russia the vanguard of the revolution in Europe. There were proletarian revolutions in Paris, which could've taken over France and in Germany in 1918, so he wasn't that wrong.

Eli Cox
Eli Cox

If you're being honest I'd suggest you're looking at it way too narrowly. The United States did severely repress communists in the past, assassinated them, framed them, harassed them, drove them out of their jobs, jailed them, banned them from engaging in elections, drove them out of union leadership, even caused many to literally flee the country. Today Marxist groups still get infiltrated, somebody actually mentioned in another thread about a story in Colorado Springs in 2017 of a tiny group of Marxist-Leninists (15) being infiltrated by two undercover cops. But the reason for their infiltration is revealing, the cops were monitoring them for any plans to riot or cause trouble. They claimed it was because of national news about antifa.

In a practical sense this is exactly why communists were so repressed at the height of the cold war as compared to now. The elite of the United States feared communist infiltration, feared their own possibility for revolution especially after the unrest of the depression. Unions were powerful, had stronger ties to the democratic party after FDR and had communist influence. High profile intellectuals and celebrities like Einstein and Charlie Chaplin were communists. They were seen as more of a threat, so communism was repressed. Even civil rights and the anti-war movement were associated with a communist threat in propaganda to bolster the urgency of defeating them with the population. These days that urgency has diminished greatly with the fall of the Soviet Union and the consensus that "communism be bad", and more often than not these days communists probably are monitored in this petty way by local police forces trying to catch people for being smashies.

But in the colloquial sense, the reason being a Nazi is considered disgusting by most people is because Nazi ideology is premised on racial, conspiratorial beliefs of bio-political illnesses plaguing society. A huge amount of urban people and normies have close to zero problem with entire races often literally just because they have "black friends" or have co-workers that are minorities, or they see black people on TV, or whatever. So when they see somebody who is identified as a Nazi, they think this person is an anti-social moron that believes if they could just get rid of other normal people, that would solve something. By contrast, on a common social basis a communist may be considered a naive but well meaning person because their goal is to empower the powerless and improve the lives of the majority of people. They are considered dangerous and frightening when they get too much support, because people get concerned that maybe they'll end up like Venezuela, or North Korea, or Stalin will rise from the grave.

Actual ongoing policy restricting the right of free expression for Nazis in foreign countries also often started on a broader basis than you're suggesting here. The UK for instance had laws restricting organizing around extremist politics that was used to target fascists and communists before WW2. The refinement of that law over time continued to be in reaction to riots and events of unrest, sometimes incidents that involved riots or public unrest caused by racial violence. Therefore, legislators pushed to restrict incitement to racial violence and it was generally popular because many people felt racial violence itself was unreasonable, immoral and destroying the public peace. That is the major reason that it is repressed politically in many developed western countries, but it entirely depends on where you are in the world and what the political situation is.

Jack Russell
Jack Russell

His fundamental aspects and critique on capitalist society and it's mode of production are correct though and have not been discredited even in modern society.
That's wrong too. Value doesn't come from labor, it comes from what people perceive as valuable. The classic example is mud pies. I can spend all day making mud pies, and that's hard work, but absolutely worthless. That's why countries like the USSR had to use western markets to price their goods and determine how to allocate their resources.

Anyway you're deluding yourself if you think Marxists follow Marx like a omnipotent god
The person I was responding to was saying that spiritualism is bad because Marx said so.

At the end of his life, after Russian revolutionary elements had been active for several decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia_(1855%E2%80%9392)#Revolutionary_movements
And oh look
Disputing his views, the moralist and individualist Petr Lavrov (1823-1900) made a call "to the people", which hundreds of idealists heeded in 1873 and 1874 by leaving their schools for the countryside to try to generate a mass movement among the narod. The Populist campaign failed, however, when the peasants showed hostility to the urban idealists…
It's the same issue you have now, the people you're claiming to support don't want your support.

There were proletarian revolutions in Paris, which could've taken over France and in Germany in 1918
Once again, they couldn't, because they didn't. They lacked popular support, largely because the German people were watching what was happening in Russia with horror.

Well thought out post tbh. That said, the American suppression of communism is, as you say, in the past. It ended before I was born, and likely before you were as well. Suspected antifa groups being monitored is exactly what the police should be doing, those people are political terrorists. And the UK is a historical outlier in the west for its suppression of speech. Every other country that currently suppresses far right elements began doing so after WW2. It's also worth pointing out that (in America, at least) the suppression is mostly done by private corporations because technically, free speech laws still exist. So the fact that these corporations target right wingers who likely have some sympathies for private ownership over communists whose explicit goal is the destruction of the system that allows those corporations to exist seems very odd if you aren't aware of the nuances.

Justin Parker
Justin Parker

I hope antifa rapes you

Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

Too beta to even imply that he's going to be the one to do so
I hope to God they try.

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Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

ok they rape antifa assad rapes both and all

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

The classic example is mud pies. I can spend all day making mud pies, and that's hard work, but absolutely worthless.
If you ever read Marx you would know that he was very clear that labour had to be useful labour to create value.

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

lol we've got those too, faggot
see you when the revolution comes

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

Okay, that still doesn't mean the labor theory of value is correct. Digging a ditch is useful labor (obviously assuming the ditch is actually useful for something,) and difficult. Still significantly less valuable than, say, well written code that a business needs to run its website. Value is subjective. Again, the proof that labor theory is wrong is that the USSR couldn't determine the price or quantity of goods it should produce without looking at western markets.
The difference is that I never had to file a little orange bit off of mine.

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

you'll learn a bit about digging ditches real soon bucko

Zachary Cook
Zachary Cook

I'm shaking in my jackboots.

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

That's wrong too. Value doesn't come from labor, it comes from what people perceive as valuable. The classic example is mud pies. I can spend all day making mud pies, and that's hard work, but absolutely worthless. That's why countries like the USSR had to use western markets to price their goods and determine how to allocate their resources.
Okay, that still doesn't mean the labor theory of value is correct. Digging a ditch is useful labor (obviously assuming the ditch is actually useful for something,) and difficult. Still significantly less valuable than, say, well written code that a business needs to run its website. Value is subjective.
youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q
Stop being a fucking retard who thinks the value referred to by Marx is to direct price. "Value" is a placeholder word used by Marx to mean the socially necessary labor time as expected by the rest of the economy for a commodity in capitalist fordist production. It refer to similar mass produced commodities or services, not fucking mudpies or a diamond you find in sandbox. If you graph all the different times it takes to produce a certain commodity when look at the entire economy, you can find the mean of all those times. This average time is the "value" Marx refers to. You don't even have to call it value, call it commodity time, but that's what he is talking about. All production fluctuates around this average to stay competitive, and the average increases as production improves and new methods are adopted. The "value" itself always exists though.

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Nathaniel Watson
Nathaniel Watson

Foldable stock
Plastitech
Literally stole an image of a sellers website
gunsamerica.com/900859100/Saiga-308-Cal-Russian-Made-Converted-Ace-Folding-Stock-AK-308-Nato-New-16-Barrel-Mint.htm
Thanks for outing yourself as a burger

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Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

The difference is that I never had to file a little orange bit off of mine.
No, you just probably mutilated your gun (knowing that's not yours) with accessories and changed out everything it came with with plastishit tacticool burger "tech".

Levi Parker
Levi Parker

the USSR couldn't determine the price or quantity of goods it should produce without looking at western markets.
Imagine being so much of a drooling retard and useful idiot that you actually believe the meme that soviets had to look at the prices of western goods to determine their own. Have you just stood still and thought for a second about how utterly retarded and delusional this idea is?
You know how much you produce of a good, how many resources and time go into it, the money supply, average wages etc. etc. but you can't put a price on a good?

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Aiden Barnes
Aiden Barnes

You're not going to convince anyone getting dogpiled 10 on 1 with 'lul the left can't meme and killed 1 billion people'
How about you learn to fucking meme then?

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

Meme's aren't discussions or debates. They don't suddenly make the argument true or correct and the best your going to get is a bunch of people spamming images at each other till the limit is reached.

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

had to steal a picture off a dealer's website
lmao
the antifa anal assault will have no brakes

Parker Lee
Parker Lee

<tfw to smart to win over the proletariat

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Blake Watson
Blake Watson

what a retarded take

Dominic Green
Dominic Green

well memed, my friend!

Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes

The best way to explain something is by actually explaining it and having people read. If you just post memes, then people are just going to get a meme understanding of what your saying. That's how you get radlibs and conservatives who think socialism is just gibs, or worse "socialists" who think socialism is when you say we and pay everyone equally.

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

The way i like to approach this is, even if you are correct and there is a cabal of jews doing evil deeds, they still only make up one part of the capitalist economy, capitalism is the system which allows them to thrive, alongside all various other colours of capitalists. Making the capitalists all white such as what Hitler did, does not get rid of the problem, and the reichs failed economy proves this

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

You just have to point out that the reason the right has good memes is that their whole ideology is a meme. That shuts them up.

James Smith
James Smith

also that they are basically drawing on a large well of mainstream liberal humour, they are the right hand side of john oliver

Asher Wilson
Asher Wilson

Faggot soyboys. Pathetic cucks.
Kys and burn in Hell.

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Ethan Jackson
Ethan Jackson

3rd pic

Nice black propaganda, you slimy cunt

Jonathan Stewart
Jonathan Stewart

I mean, fair enough. But where is the source? The only one you gave us is a wikipedia link. IF you want to convince anyone, then give reliable sources

Joseph Perez
Joseph Perez

Take notes lads. The right has gifted us with their god tier memes. We must emulate these schematics and design an AI interface that will generate memes to this exceptional standard. Our budget is 100 gorrillion. Only then will children whose brains have not finished developing adopt our satanic ritual that is Maoism John-Lennonism. Praise our holy father milkman Max Stirner.

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Jaxson Evans
Jaxson Evans

inshallah brother, bring forward the baboonzord

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

The German revolution lacked popular support
Are you retarded?

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Connor Richardson
Connor Richardson

Value doesn't come from labor, it comes from what people perceive as valuable. The classic example is mud pies. I can spend all day making mud pies, and that's hard work, but absolutely worthless. That's why countries like the USSR had to use western markets to price their goods and determine how to allocate their resources.
The number of times I have seen this fucking argument is astounding. You don't understand the Labour Theory of Value, you think you do, but you don't, and it's really fucking embarrassing on your part to come in here, onto a board full of Marxists, and pretend you know what you're talking about when you have absolutely no clue about anything.

Here, retard:
youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q

Dylan Anderson
Dylan Anderson

From the 25 point program of the NSDAP:

The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:

Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.

Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

Also, if you care to read the rest of the 25 points, being "white" was not the point of limiting citizenship by race. The point was to eliminate foreign influence and to ensure that there would be a national unity to encourage citizens to act in the interest of their people rather than in their own personal interest or that of a competing hierarchy of in-groups.

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

They're little suburban shitheels with no culture of their own so it wouldn't surprise me if they were at least inclined towards reactionism beforehand.

I know some anons on here say they were fashie before being leftists but that just seems strange to me, did any of you guys really do the muh Jews cuck soyboy thing before coming here? I find it hard to believe anyone like that could ever see reason.

Joseph Johnson
Joseph Johnson

At least put some effort into it, faggot

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Julian Phillips
Julian Phillips

oop wrong one

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Nathan Richardson
Nathan Richardson

this guy is truly unbearable

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

I heard >>/doomers/ could do with some leftypol ambassador program

Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

/doomer/index.html

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

Believing the political platform

Fucking brainlet none of you ever do any research into what actually happened. Literally none of the populist promises in the NSDAP platform were actually implemented. Debt? The Nazis got into a fuckload of debt owed to foreign bankers. Confiscation of war profits? Big business was making tons of money over rearmament and they never had their money confiscated. Abolition of unearned incomes? Nope, it was still a capitalist system.

Either read Wages of Destruction or Fascism and Big Business either book is sufficient to dispel the myth that the Nazis actually followed through on the "left" platform points.

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Jaxson Butler
Jaxson Butler

breaking of debt slavery
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills yeh shame that was the basis of the entire economy

Aiden Cox
Aiden Cox

Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
ahahaha didn't even see this one after the first. Nigga what, the whole economy was a big inflated arms bubble

Adam Foster
Adam Foster

"Hjalmar Schacht formed the limited liability company Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft, m.b.H., or "MEFO" for short. The company's "Mefo bills" served as bills of exchange, convertible into Reichsmark upon demand. MEFO had no actual existence or operations and was solely a balance sheet entity. The bills were mainly issued as payment to armaments manufacturers."

Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

Please take more initiative comrades. I can't be the only one starting threads here. It's good that this program is sparking discussion, but we need to send delegations out for it to mean anything.
Start a thread then.

Next 4/pol/ thread:
boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202204828

Asher Roberts
Asher Roberts

There's nothing more fake and gay than the iconography of Mary and baby Jesus. Lord Jesus hated his mom. Kawaii pic tho.

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

Somehow not banned yet
zigforums.com/thread/12761803/politics

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Leo Reed
Leo Reed

You will find "nazis were socialists" faggots and people who are too broken by society but either can't blame it on capitalism, say it's jewish capitalists or are fucking nazbols.

Joseph Lee
Joseph Lee

call up the international brigades, i'm going in.

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

151 posts on that thread, i'm flattered by the attention

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Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Remember your protective gear comrades.

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Christopher Hughes
Christopher Hughes

when you blow out the fascists so hard they delete the thread
This is powerful feeling comrades.

Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

I don't know why you're so eager to defend the Jews. It's hard to defend them, as Marx knew full well. You'd have better luck copypasta-ing the first chapter of Capital or arguing the history of political economy and how neoclassical economics is utterly retarded.

Justin Martin
Justin Martin

jews are the coolest race on earth

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Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

Aww they deleted the thread.

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

I can still enter it, you mean they deleted the files?

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

You can view the thread with a link but you cannot post to it. I had a post explaining to some conspiracy idiot (who was going on about how 'Murica is corrupted by these evil conspirators) that freemasons and a liberal conspiracy theory were the big reason why America was a thing (because it's legit true), and that most of the things they attribute to an international conspiracy of Jews is literally just the American Empire doing its thing.

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

this. I want a jewish waifu so bad

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

anne is literally my dream girl
song related youtube.com/watch?v=AH3CRVVBL9o

Liam Fisher
Liam Fisher

Jews are really hit or miss.

Aiden Bell
Aiden Bell

Tfw you told them banning you would only prove its a safe space, with no platform for debate, so they delete the fucking thread

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John Roberts
John Roberts

on reddit and got doxed
things that make one go hrrm
Fuck

Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

Have to be an actual retard to get doxed tbh.

Nolan Cook
Nolan Cook

Anything on the internet can be tracked.

Joshua Allen
Joshua Allen

He's right tho

David Taylor
David Taylor

My b8 thread was deleted. :(
zigforums.com/thread/12764903/politics

Matthew Phillips
Matthew Phillips

Lol.
/pol/ residents might pay more attention to politics because economic theory seems like a political tool lately, invented to justify whatever power play is being prepared. When applied/empirical and in the service of sociology or geopolitics I'm sure it's useful though, and we could indeed benefit from more of it here.

Owen Hill
Owen Hill

Yeah tracked by the government and people with access to the top levels of the corporate internet. Not your average Nazi spaz on reddit.

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202350497
new thread of fun

Julian Adams
Julian Adams

fuck i keep missing these threads, also shouldnt we focus on reddit more since liberals are way more likely to be indoctrinated?

Jaxson White
Jaxson White

This, i kind of hate the mentality that has developed here that the right it's more likely to become communist(with the risk of nazbol autism)than liberals or idpolers. Sure, identity politics it's hard as fuck to despook but it's still miles better than arguing with /pol/yps, and I'm aware that most of the people who founded this board were mostly /pol/ users, or /lit/ users i don't fucking remember.

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

since liberals are way more likely to be indoctrinated?
What makes you think that though? I would guess, in the absence of any empirical evidence that I know of, that fascists are per capita a lot more likely to become socialist. A fascist who hates the status quo is closer to a socialist mindset than a lib who automatically rejects ‘extreme’ ideas.

Anthony Perry
Anthony Perry

What makes you think that though?
Being incredibly new lol

Cameron Morales
Cameron Morales

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202617257#p202617257

Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/202612366#p202626498

Adrian Perez
Adrian Perez

discord.gg/SASgcm if you want to do this, and many more things, i have a lot of ideas, in a co-orindated manner, add yourself to this discord. I will interview you to make sure you aren't a polyp or a brainlet and then we will go from there

Nolan Cox
Nolan Cox

Please have fun raiding
zagforums.com/thread/8658495/miscellaneous

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Chase Lewis
Chase Lewis

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Benjamin Reed
Benjamin Reed

Please assist
desuarchive.org/leftyb/thread/3233/

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Jaxson Lopez
Jaxson Lopez

Are we raiding other boards? These missions aren't exactly "raids." Raids occur when one community storms another with the intention of disrupting it. We do not want to disrupt anything, only enrich the local population with our presence. Our approach should be civil and well-contained. If this disrupts a community it is their own doing.
Thank for the links, btw

Isaac Morgan
Isaac Morgan

Anyone want to make a thread on one of /pol/'s bunkers? mlpol.net

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

No problem
mlpol
No, that's too much, even for me.

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

No, that's too much, even for me.
I dunno seems like it could generate some dank OC.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

the reddit version is bad enough but feel free to try

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Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

I'm not very well read yet. I don't think I will make a good OP.

Andrew Morgan
Andrew Morgan

Wrong, came here from 4chan r9k

Juan Rodriguez
Juan Rodriguez

mlpol.net
By God that is the cringiest shit I have ever seen. We should totally make a thread! This is going to be good.

David Martin
David Martin

This

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Benjamin White
Benjamin White

I actually think Chapo Fags on reddit have a lot of potential posters. Most threads are fucking infuriating and saturated with idpol, but in the responses you also have a lot of people who are tired of that shit (especially if you encourage it a bit). A visible Zig Forums presense wouldn't hurt to lure in the more based and redpilled.

Jace Gonzalez
Jace Gonzalez

I shitpost there a lot. As long as you're clever about it, you can shit on just about any idpol and get upboats.
If you want to call a group of people pedophiles, for example, call them libertarians instead.

Julian Lewis
Julian Lewis

Yea, and there's also surprisingly smart discussion there sometimes. Someone uploaded a retarded meme about how we should abandon "class socialism" follow the doctrine of 70's Black Lesbian Marxists(Tm). The comments got pretty heated, with the anti-idpolers and shitposters winning the upvotes by my count.

Juan Richardson
Juan Richardson

If anyone's interested /k/ is being a brainlet again.
boards.4channel.org/k/thread/40693653

Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

/fur/ thread full of nazis and Tsar-defenders.
desuarchive.org/fur/thread/97660/#bottom

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Luis Gonzalez
Luis Gonzalez

Oh god. Reading those make me physically sick.

Ryder Foster
Ryder Foster

What was Hitler's fursona?

Isaac Price
Isaac Price

a blonde guy or the sun

Elijah Kelly
Elijah Kelly

kek