Football clubs under socialism

I guess this really applies to any sports' club, but I wanted to specify football because, well it's my favorite and most popular worldwide. How would clubs look in a socialist society? I've recently been thinking I'd enjoy being the president of my favorite club but would they even have a president in a socialist nation? Or would the concept of workplace democracy be carried over here as well? So for example right now when a club wins a cup/league they also get money as a reward. Obviously in our current capitalist society most of the money would go to the club president and other higher-ups instead of the players and coach. How would this change with socialism?

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teams won't be associated with places because that's nationalism, and thus reactionary, also there would be some kind of player selection at the style of the nfl, else would stay the same, sage for irrelevant thread

Imagine unironically believing this, did you know there's a club from my country called Palestino FC created by palestinian immigrants and has actually been acknowledged by Palestine as "their second team" and they're very proud of said team? Would you say it's still nationalism?

yes, don't missunderstand me it is basically irrelevant now, but the desire for such things as national teams steems from a sense of constructed collective identity imposed by porky to sustain the nation state, it is in short pure ideology, there won't be nation states in socialism, so teams will probably be organized based on more practical notions

What would be in your opinion more "practical notions"?

I do like the idea of expanding sports teams to be centered around things others than geography, and I agree that the purpose of sports is primarily to inspire nationalism and thereby distract the population. Still I don't find your argument convincing A lack of nation-states does not imply a lack of nations. Socialism does not do away with regional cultural identity, it only does away with these identities being attached to political bodies asserting their interests separate from each other. National football teams may well continue to exist under socialism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_East_Germany

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_club_(GDR)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_East_German_sport_clubs

I want to add that at least in my country football clubs aren't created/identified with only geographical locations. For example one of the most popular teams is the Club Universidad de Chile, which is centered and identified with our main national university. There's also Universidad Catolica, another university, Colo Colo, identified with the mapuches (chilean natives) the multiple clubs identified with immigrants, and then after all that you have identification with geographic locations.
You also have to consider that (at least in Latin America) there are countless clubs identified and very popular among the working class, and many of these fans were heavily opposed to the rightwing dictatorships that were instealled in our countries. So yeah, football clubs are most definitely not just identified/centered around geographic locations.

Players at a certain professional level will just receive the same compensation, regardless of their ranking. Winning tournaments might get them a one-time bonus. That's how I'd arrange it. If you're not good enough for the professional scene you can do football on a more amateur level, but you'll have to take a job on the side.

Regarding management, one idea that I had is that we could have different clubs represent different collectives, be it per region, per industry, or even per sub-culture or niche interests… whatever. Players can just choose whatever club seems fun to play in for them, as long as this club is ready to accept them.
Here's what would be the fun part: Everyone in this collective gets to take part in deciding how the club is managed. We could have them collaborate using some computer football game and then have the configurations tried out in real life.

As an amerifat I think that’s a horrible idea. I know the whole argument of muh parity but tbh it just means that teams get rewarded for being shit and thus drags down the average level of play for the whole league. I think a better system would be similar to the way clubs were ran in the early years where almost all players were locals who came through the youth academy of each club ( ie the lisbon lions). Not only would this inspire more pride in your club as represenative of your own city it would ensure a greater level of parity organically, while still necessitating the clubs to be ran well.

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This is kind of how it already works, at least in those nations that are really bad at football, like Samoa, Andorra, San Marino, shit like that.

SPORTS STADIUMS ARE BOURGEOIS
MADE BY THE GREEN GANG

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*Blocks your path*

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This is nonsensical
Almost every Socialist state in Existence has had both national Football leagues and Teams representing them on a national level
Yugoslavia for instance had local teams national teams for each constituency Republic and a National team for international play same with the USSR

Yeah and Yugoslavia disintegrated into ethnic nationalism. Still think sports are cool?

Better question: What would Eurovision look like after the revolution?

Well if you're a syndicalist football teams will represent each Union

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Besides the national teams, DPRK has teams for different government, army, and party branches
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPR_Korea_League

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lmao

I would like to bring in another question : In a world where full communism has been achieved (stateless and thus borderless) would we still have the World Cup? Since the games is all about nationalism for your country, would it exist when all countries are gone?

Yes. National teams football sucks anyway. Not enough time to train. It's a mess.

Shit I read the question wrong. Correction: No it won't exist.

I'd hope it still exists. There's literally no point in ending it. FIFA already punishes national teams if their fans sing way too nationalist chants (ok I'm not sure about FIFA but I know the Conmebol does.

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Based DPRK

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Here in Ireland the most popular spectator sports are played by amateurs, and the organization that runs it can be joined by anyone and is operated democratically (as far as I know).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_Athletic_Association