Why is there no real praxis or ML groups in America compared to Europe and every other developed nation?

how about they stop being attention-seeking faggots who have to wear edgy clothings of their politics altogether?

Why do americans think they're the only ones who had anti-communist laws and policies at all?

We literally had an anti-communist dictatorship and we're alive and well. You guys just suck.

Where do you live?

this. americans are just a special breed of reactionary

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To add to this.

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Reeeing about it being un american, and being scared of Stalin.
Just yell about the enlightenment being socialist, and sing folk shit

Fuck the feds tho

Copy pasting for views

There is a shocking lack of materialist analysis ITT. Let me try and help.

The reason labor is so weak is because America is a two party state. Unlike the rest of the world, which often had a labor party to give a political expression to the demands of the labor movement, the US had a labor movement which could only be represented in the Democratic Party through a cross-class coalition. When the labor movement was weakened through the Taft-Hartley Act, the Democratic Party basically jettisoned the labor movement from the party, ensuring that was entirely bourgeois in nature. This situation has persisted up to the present. With no political party to represent them, labor had no means of exercising political power. This led not only to the further weaking of unions, but the general inability for the US proletariat to be organized as a class. Without being able to affect state power, workers only focused on specific, narrow interests rather than the interests of the working class as a whole. People no longer saw themselves as “workers” but as “tech workers” or “teachers” or “medical workers”, etc. Solidarity with workers as a whole became a foreign concept for Americans, and that’s true even today.

Basically the only way out of this situation is for labor to again become an important part of the Democratic Party (which is extremely unlikely) OR for labor to build Dual Power and then overthrow the government when the time is right (this is slightly more likely but still very difficult). If I were to write up a game plan for Communists in the US, it be:

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To contribute, the race situation is a bit unique in the states. The US is the only western power that practiced slavery at the scale it was using african labor. Since Bacon's Rebellion, the ruling class has been obsessed with separating black and white working peoples, ideologically and physically. I'd be willing to bet the problem with idpol in the US has a lot to do with this, as other countries are far from the level of political fuckery that takes place in the US

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People are still hung up on the American Dream meme. For 150 years Americans had rising wages and better standards of living each following generation. It's not surprising either, the US is huge, had inflows of immigrants and tons of room to develop. It's no surprise revolutionary potential is so low. With the state of the US, and how real wages have effectively stagnated since the 70s and income inequality has increased to its greatest ever, who knows what could happen if (or more accurately due to the nature of capitalism, when) we ever see another 2008

enoughisenough14.org/2017/09/03/colorado-springs-police-undercover-officer-exposed-cops-infiltrated-colorado-springs-socialists/

Here it is I think, Prole's Podcast group had a protest, of the 15 people two were cops

The CPUSA was never a mass party in the way it was in France, Italy, etc., while Trotsky's earliest supporters had a higher than normal level of influence on the US while he was alive (the American Socialist Workers Party was probably the most impressive national section of the Fourth International).

Doesn't hurt that Britain also has a stronger than normal Trotskyist tradition, and given both are in the anglosphere, had an easier time supporting their ideological allies across the Atlantic.

It can't really be blamed on Contelpro, I think, because the failure to build an orthodox pro-Soviet Communist Party happened in the 1920s and 30s.

Also, might be an outsiders perspective, but the US seems to have had far more of a Maoist influence than most other western countries, outside of maybe Italy.

This is probably true, one of the largest and most iconic Marxist-Leninist groups in the US was profoundly influenced by Mao – the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. In Huey Newton's autobiography, he constantly talks about Mao and quotes him. They even sold the Red Book for funds

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Sure COINTELPRO wasnt underway til later, but that doesn't mean the program (and the many others like it) had that little meaningful impact. Besides flatout assassinating and imprisoning revolutionaries, these alphabet soup organizations have been doing all in their power to distract emancipatory movements from their fundamental class-based interests, as well as encourage their breakup into smaller groups.

If you're unaware, read up on how much the Black Panthers alone dealt with the FBI and whatnot. Its disgusting

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Oh yeah, I don't doubt it, but the BPP wasn't looking to become a mass party in the model of the PCF or PCI, while the CPUSA's failure by the 1950s meant that the American Marxist left (on the whole) went more Trot than ☭TANKIE☭ by then.

Mildly uninformed: how does American Marxists turning to Trotskyist organizations/Trotskyism translate to a lack of praxis in the US? Im not too familiar with Trots outside what they did in Russia, Vietnam, and some other places (aka back literal fascists against actual commies)

In the video is that Murder Bryan's voice from Street Fight?

Apparently they were targeted because Colorado Spring police were afraid of antifa causing trouble:

csindy.com/coloradosprings/undercover-officers-take-the-stand-to-explain-infiltration-of-local-socialists/Content?oid=9226911

lel

Stop crying. The US has spooks in most organisation but on the other hand in terms to political expression and freeze peach it is far more laissez-faire than Europe who often infringes on that.

In my country, Germany, you get raided by the cops if you post a news article about Rõjava on FB, and you can't make you PhD if you are a communist.

I meant to answer the OP's question, that's why there are fewer ML groups in the United States. Also Trot groups have an annoying tendency to revive the worst bits of the 1920s 'social fascism' ultra-leftist rhetoric to cover up failure to engage in real politics beyond local trade union issues.

Europe and other nations DON'T have functioning praxis or ML parties (as some people in this very thread have pointed out) outside of a handful of exceptions such as Greece or India with large industrial workforces or where the parties are culturally entrenched in populations because they're so old.

Centralist parties also have failed to address their structural incapability to tolerate differences of opinion, which is why there's 50 different ML/Trot sects in America and every country in Europe.

Critical support for German police in their struggle against American imperialism

No matter what you think about Rójava, it clearly is an attempt to crawl up Erdogan's butthole.

Democratic Centralism isn't about not tolerating a difference in opinion but not to create factions. If you really want to be a wrecker, create your own org. How can you hold the party accountable for anything of one chapter thinks Cuba us communism and the other one Cuba is glorious anti-revisionist ML?

*red.fascism

That being said, if the communist movement is dead on the ground, there will always be splinter groups. But there is no reason to believe that if one party would suddenly have a realistic prospect of seizing power, the other MLs would hardly be against or even join them.

Something people are forgetting is that ML was synthesized under entirely different conditions to the US. The fact that it tends not to succeed outside of semi-feudal countries makes sense. There are plenty of elements of Leninism (not ML) that are still useful because they are just good principles of organizing in general (democratic centralism, vanguardism, etc) but the rhetoric, policies, and imagery of American socialism will have to be uniquely American.

There’s a difference between one chapter holding a different line from the party and individuals openly criticizing the party line. Imo democratic centralism shouldn’t preclude individuals from criticing the party line as individuals, as long as they don’t take an active role in undermining it. I would also specify that simply trying to drum up opposition to the line within the party shouldn’t be considered undermining or wrecking. If opposition figures aren’t free to try to persuade the party and gain a majority then it’s not really democratic.

Your idea of the centralist party is ahistorical. Maybe you could make the case that factionalism should be discouraged after taking power, but there's no reason for that at a time when the socialist movement is completely marginalized and powerless. Splitting due to minor doctrinal or personal differences is a well-known weakness of 20th century ML parties and has been used numerous times by police and alphabet soup agencies. If your org can't handle dissenting opinions or internal criticism without splitting, it doesn't deserve political power.

sorry but that mao girl is insanely fucking hot

How can I become a chad socialist? I feel like I’d be taken more seriously than skinny me

3x5 squats
3x5 bench
3x5 military press
3x5 weighted pull ups
1x5 deadlifts

do three times a week. Increase weight by 2.5 kg every work out. When that becomes too much, every other workout, then every week, then every two weeks. Drink lots of milk. Also get a proper haircut and drop any weirdo style you may have and dress like a normal adult person (no punkshit, not hippy shit)

Note that these are rep numbers for powerlifting. If you want to get more visibly fit, reduce the weight a bit and ramp up the reps up to 3x10. Also too much milk isn't that good for you, it's full of fat and hormones. Rather just buy protein powder that you drink with water.

I don't know where you come from but you can still dress up fashionable, no crazy shit like a Mohawk but there is nothing wrong with a decent band shirt and a visible key chain on your jeans. Just make sure any accessories to your style remain low key. But if you are just the type of going to the gym, dressing up with standard pants and standard t-shirt, people will think of you as the most bland person ever. Of course if you are invited to political events, like a debate or whatever, you need to dress up more formally - maybe a grey suit with a black t-shirt beneath it, fits everybody.

Swoletariat will be the vanguard

Starting Strength is pretty cool for a begginer, but do your research properly and, most importantly, DO the workout religiously

Also, Fred Perrys and jeans keep it clean while remaining working class

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How do I start an organization?

DON'T TELL ANYONE THE COPS WILL GET YOU

SEP seems to be doing quite well. They're organizing a rally of Detroit Autoworkers calling for international solidarity with Mexican and Canadian Autoworkers against the backdrop of job cuts made by GM and Ford.

wsws.org/en/articles/2019/02/06/mata-f06.html

So One Man People's Army, got it

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Are you accusing me of being a cop

nah, it's probably advice so you know how to detect a spy.

It's appreciated

But like what should I be doing? Should I just join the Democrat Cops of America? Do I hold a protest somewhere? I feel so powerless

How about SEP?

If you are a commited communist then I say join the Democrat Cops of America and do your best to influence the people there towards the immortal science of marxism-leninism. If you're a rookie then don't go there because they will turn you into a pinko.

I'm more of a rookie though I'm not a Marxist-Leninist

Because all of the labour fighters were executed and beacuse Americans are also retarded offspring of retarded protestant sects.

Well, that is not true, as I know German communists with PhD.

Depends on the state. You literally are not allowed into civil service (Beamtentum) if you are part of certain organizations in Bavaria

Ah ok. Because I met some people from Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung that have PhdS ETC. But

Did not know that. But how do they know which organizations you belong to? Isn't this info that they cannot force you to give up?

… which is the entire problem because a PhD candidate is "Beamter auf Zeit" (public servant for a restricted time) as he has to formally work for university. If you are in the DKP, KPD, etc. they won't let you. Also
Pfff

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Leftists should reclaim the skinhead paramilitary look tbh.

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masculinity has left the leftist circles

kek

Fuck off Zig Forums, 90% of people nowadays in developed countries are weaker, softer and less healthy due to shitty lifestyles and stress.

They do some really good work, but they're super sectarian and obnoxious. It would probably be better to work with a group like Democrat Cops of America for now.

All people are soft because of their comfy lifestyle
However leftists don't have any good role models the way the right does and that is a problem

IDK what they actually do, they do fund some great radical projects in ex-Yu countries.

Lol what kind of "good role model" does the right have?

Megakek

You have people like Marcus Follin aka the Golden One including various podcasts promoting lifting and reading books.

Jordan Peterson encouraging self improvement.

People like Jack Donovan and tons of other rightwing or right leaning youtubers discussing how men can succeed in the modern world.

you can laugh just because these people might be 4chan memes like this idiot

But the right has a lot to offer young people today that the left is lacking in.

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Honestly it's pretty disgusting that there are people out there that need youtube faggots to tell them how to improve themselves.
Is this honestly what the whole west is, both left and right need internet retards to tell them to become better?

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It is not surprising considering the state of things really. Both parents have to spend all day at work to even afford to raise a kid at all, it is no surprise that millennial youth are particularly aimless when they grew up without any sort of guidance whatsoever.

Parents obviously don't always know what is best, but at the very least they can teach you how to cook and eat healthy food, exercise, improve yourself, keep your living space clean, etc… These are life lessons that only parents really have the opportunity to teach and with parents absent due to capitalist exploitation kids just don't get these lessons.

there have always been people teaching other people how they can be happier.

You’re just a retard and it’s fun to fuck with you tbh fam

The far right's "self improvement" is a thin veneer of self-help that has been weaponized into a vehicle for their weird sexual and racial animuses. It's not some actual attempt at self-improvement. In fact most of their advice tends to actively make their lives worse, see the """pickup artists""" and how they encourage alienation from women and discourage meaningful social relationships with other people.

well you haven't provided anything so you lose this one.

how exactly is it a "thin veneer"?
exercising, healthy lifestyles, goal setting is pretty concrete.

this is only Roosh and I don't see why you would take his advice if wanted an honest life long relationship with a woman rather than banging sluts in eastern europe. There is more advice on how to get a wife than there is rightist PUAs

You don't get it, only people who are already broken and have no sort of role model need this type of shit.
The people who post things like pic related unironically.

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it's done in bad faith
granted some do take up the juicehead mantle out of boredom but for the most part these people are looking for an assertive tony robins type voice to reassure them that they can pull themselves together and turn their lives around

It's literally the most basic shit in the books that literally any google search to some fucking self-help tumblr blog would give you. It's not some hidden truth obfuscated by the libs and only now revealed to humanity by this hoard of morons, but it's more like pic related or what said, the continued advances of capitalism in society has lead to the loss of all the most basic cultural and lifestyle lessons that parents would give. As such, these vultures along with some libs have hijacked these cultural things and self-help basics and politicized them into a way that affirms the most basic of life's foundations into a perceived political dogma. Not only does this help promote their political causes, it also solidifies basic life knowledge into their politics. This works in the same way that capitalism normalizes itself into being "just human nature" in that it gradually ingrains these basic life tips into the political ideology, and gives the perception of their political opponents lacking these life tips. Just as how liberals think communists are "against human nature", these politicized idiots will think their opponents are "against these life tips".

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I can't help but feel bad for these people. They clearly got neglected as children or something, now they are getting sucked into a cult-like "self-help" internet culture that seeks only to transform them into rightist drones.

Meant for

there is cringe in every facet of society the internet is a good way to experience different view points that a person might not regularly be exposed to.

how

whats wrong with turning your life around?

no one is claiming its some hidden truth what are you arguing against exactly?

I never said their oppenents are "against life tips" the left just does not have much to offer young people today whereas the Right does and that is a problem. Also you're ranting about things no one is saying btw.

We all have things about our lives that can be improved upon while rightists are the only ones encouraging this.
This is why the right is gaining popularity

Yeah I know that feeling, even here one of my friends became obsessed with Peterson because he fell into some sort of lethargy over not doing anything.
But the thing is, he had a normal childhood, nothing pressing on him, it was literally self induced shit that he picked up over the internet because he was one of those obsessed with GG and socjuss nonsense even though NONE of that even exists in my country even now.

What country are you from user?

West Europe

I don't remember which cringy breadtube youtuber was the one who talked about the testosterone video but they found out it was bullshit.

Also nice job getting a fucking Zig Forums tier infographic.

their testosterone results are on Buzzfeed you can see for yourself

moron

m.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDU
the testosterone part is around 21:00 btw

that it's a fucking veneer of the most basic of shit to push a political agenda you dense moron
No, it's just the inevitable political conclusion that comes of the facts I stated, and indeed the current reality of it.
The left offers literal control over the means of production and control over one's own life devoid of fetid consumerism. On top of that, we literally have a self-improvement general that you would know about if you weren't some tourist. Plus countless charities and aid programs around the world to boot. Far more worthwhile than some youtube vids.
Just because you don't explicitly say something doesn't mean you don't implicitly support these things, even if you don't necessarily know these things.

Not when their advice is sound and is true regardless of politics.
then why should the left continue to be perceived as being against self improvement by their lack of action? The Right has something to offer young people and the left has no prominent figures to look up to or aspire to be the way the right does.
In theory yes but where is this being advocated for? Who is saying this? How accessible is this "message"

He only proved soy might not cause lowered testosterone.
I don't remember ever bringing up soy.

Does this faggot keep changing IP or something? It's literally the same guy everytime, he's also mysteriously similar to a Mautist Flag poster and another Flagless poster who used to spew defeatism everywhere

The issue of masculinity on the left comes down to a couple basic questions.
The answer to all three questions should be yes, and if it’s not, you should go about changing that.

there are many NK flag posters

also that regardless of their low testosterone they produced a big fucken sack of sperm ready to breed a cute revolutionary gf any time

There are a few I know exactly which one you are though

where is my medal for telling someone to tie their shoes
We are?
Their idols are all shit grifters and psychopaths, not really much anyone healthy should aspire to.
In every leftist circle?
Countless individuals because we don't have a pathological dependency on shitty e-celebs as surrogate dads.
As accessible you are to any leftist literature, people, ideas, history, or really most anything leftist.
Holy shit, you honestly think Peterson telling people to clean up their fucking rooms is some kind of revolution sweeping across all nations don't you? It's a few alienated backwards autists who literally deify this dautering old moron who employs the most rudimentary jungian theory incorrectly onto societal analysis, he literally sees all of society and history as a fucking story. All of these people have some fucked up skewed perception that actively is incompatible with society and damages the relationships these idiots have with society.
Christ you are so fucking delusional

they're probably infertile

someone bad does that too