Just because some internet ☭TANKIE☭s bullied you for being a Trot doesn't mean that ML or MLM is IN ANY WAY dominant among America's "Marxists". On Twitter it's easy to find highly alienated people that have decided to abandon reality to LARP out their self-hating fantasies about Kim Jong-un nuking California, but that's just a loud online minority. If you actually talk to an average American in a Marxist org, union, or party you'll find that their point of view is mostly consistent with other Americans.
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Dylan Smith
Andrew Clark
That pretty much echos my views. I often feel conflicted about managers. On the one hand, they're an extension of the hand of the bourgeoisie, but on the other, they don't always make a significant wage. They are coerced into enforcing the capitalist's will among the workers, ie increase productivity.
Bentley Jenkins
This. I'm not fully out as a commie to some of my friends, but I had a frank conversation about worldviews with a very religious one. He said that after growing up and looking at the Bible he thinks that the actual teachings of Jesus are profound (but mostly abandoned by religious people) and support socialism or communism much more than capitalism, and that people who use the bible to justify the status quo just seem bizarre to him.
Jaxon Baker
What needs to be remembered is that great historical movements don’t necessarily express themselves in an explicit fashion. The Glorious Revolution in England didn’t set out to establish a bourgeois republic based on enlightenment liberalism, and yet it contributed greatly to the establishment of bourgeois rule in Britain. It should be expected that movements which drive the progress of history forwards will not always express themselves openly as such, as the French or Russian Revolutions did. They will often express themselves cloaked in the rhetoric and traditions of their conditions. What matters is to what extent they move history forwards. It doesn’t matter if history advances in America thanks to worker’s Soviets aiming to establish socialism or thanks to Christian communes aiming to establish God’s kingdom on Earth. What matters is whether or not they contribute to the breakdown of he capitalist order and the realization of radical democracy and socialism.
Logan Cooper
0 percent. We will fight the evil, unethical ideology of socialism/ communism to the death. We do not like totalitarianism, nor mass genocide and cannibalism. We do love our freedom, family, and community. Crony Wallstreet bankers funded socialists Trotsky, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. who induced famine and murdered hundreds of millions. Can't fool all the people all the time. We live free and do not tolerate the oppression of others.
Caleb Anderson
Do you actually believe this?
Ethan Foster
this is exactly what I'd expect a neocon boomer's posts would be like on Zig Forums
Tyler Scott
lenin, stalin and mao where ok, trostky and hitler tho? fucking shitfucks
Evan Hall
Annnnnd back on my computer. Time to respond to a few things.
I think it needs to go beyond that. Something I think Marxists need to admit is that although things like religion and nationalism have historically played highly reactionary roles, they have also done the opposite.
So, I come at this from the perspective of a Catholic who's struggled over his faith in the past, but ultimately I still believe in God and love the idea of the Catholic Church (even though its physical institutions here on earth are prone to failure).
More than any force on earth, I think, Religion has driven history forward. It's the miracle of the jews, that in a world ruled by naturalistic, pagan gods, who were faulty, who wanted nothing but humans to scrape and serve and please them, they came to know a God who, beyond ceremony, also demanded that they act justly and rightly and who punished his chosen people for failing to act in a just manner. It's the miracle of Christianity that, from this very legalistic environment, under the rule of a foreign power, a new conception of this God was born: gone was the need for sacrifices, gone was the extremely detailed ceremonial code and purity laws, gone was the psuedo-nationalism of Judaism, the God of Christianity was the universal God, the God of *mankind*.
Never before had a religion, I believe, conceived of mankind in such a universal context, nor of the equality of all men.
And if I could offer any compliment towards my Muslim brothers and sisters, it's that their faith similarly protected human knowledge for centuries and perceives a universal character to humanity just as ours does–perhaps more noble is that it attempted to evolve itself explicitly in political theory, in an effort to create a perfect law for the human species, even if I have some criticism for how this inevitably panned out.
Religion has been responsible for a great deal of proto-socialism. In fact one might see echoes of the class war in Savonarola, and a proto-communism in the early Christian communities. I believe Religion can act as a positive force for real social change.
I'm sorry but that hasn't really been my experience. I've heard some Social Democrats reject the Soviet Union, but everywhere I've looked, every kind of U.S. Marxism I've seen, has adopted at least the aesthetics of the Soviets.
Connor Evans
Your ideology is an empty lie. You wish to steal from the wealthy, which causes capital flight, leaving only poverty, slave dependence on the state (funded by feudal crony-capitalists) that uses famine as a tool to cull excess population of useless eaters. Bureaucrats keep the wealth and live like kings while peasants deprived of fruits of labor, are reduced to slavery famine and cannibalism. Neo-cons push international socialism called the New World Order.