No idea if this has been addressed but what’s the consensus regarding women in the far right...

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Most of the far-right considers women to be barely sentient cattle.

Also many leftypol brainlets are extremely opposed to feminism because of various structural reasons. Their loss.

its better that leftist reject feminism all together than be open to them.

Many here reject feminism because of its obsession with idpol

Female false consciousness

Bourgeois versus proletarian feminism, user

"idpol" is a meaningless umbrella term that serves a dogwhistle for "stuff i don't like and you should dislike too". Most idpol-obsessed posters rely on crude caricatures.

It would be better for you to read a fucking book.

feminism can be forgotten about. Any problems facing women will get solved with communism

>>/liberalpol/

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It means identity politics. Feminists don't give one fragment of a fuck about class and economics, it's all about identity to them, which is a mile deep sticky quagmire which is damn near inescapable once you get stuck in it,

I wish being fucking stupid would be a bannable offense but we'd end up being like 4 people on this board. Read up about materialist feminism before embarrassing yourself, you dumb fuck.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_feminism

Thank you based retard for chiming in on a topic you obviously are clueless about.

Oxymoron. Emphasis on moron.

wow, really nice one, how about you read a fucking book instead of trying to make witty comebacks, something you evidently are incapable of?

“WHY AREN’T WOMEN JOINING MEEEE”. You retards are the reason why idpol reaches the caricature levels that it does

The concepts of theory and practice escape you. Such a thing may theoretically exist, but in reality? Fat fucking chance. Feminism is female supremacy at this point, and has no place in the far left.

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Sage mode is not a downvote. Read less books.

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T. Literally fucking nobody. Since when has anyone on this board cared about gender, save for cretins like you

Show it happening in practice in a modern time, then we can talk. I can theorise about the existence of invisible dragons, but that's useless without proof of their actual existence.

Either false consciousness or for attention.

The goals of communists align with that of a feminists but not always vica verca

like i said. Any problems facing women will be solved with communism so there is no need to be specifically feminist.

also people and movements that identify with the feminist movement are cringe

still better than feminism

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wow rly strong theory you got there

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Delphy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Hennessy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevi_Jackson
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_feminism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminization_of_poverty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Hayden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_burden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Wittig

Literal children.

It takes effort to strawman this hard

Keep telling yourself that. I'm not going to waste anymore time ITT.

Fuck off back to your tumblr blog then, this is an idpol free board.

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yes there is its bad

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fuck it i'll bite. why dies masculinity matter.

I guess that's rigth for America but here in Germany they don't get this at all when they go full far-right

I was answering OP's question

why are women attracted to fascism?
the men are more masculine than leftists today

hi reddit

It's no different to the general far right attraction. It is a radical alternative to the Neoliberalism. Besides, factually, our quality of life and satisfaction is on the systematic - so there is another reason to be reactionary. Because good old times were factually better, as far as an individual life is concerned.

The very fact "material feminism" needs to be separated from "feminism" tells you that feminists do not generally center their views in any sort of materialism; distinctions like "Marxist feminism" and "material feminism" exist to separate those views from other varieties of feminism, which are neither Marxist nor materialist. Feminism as a whole has been bourgeois historically.

All you've done thus far is "crude" this, "embarrassment" that, posted a bunch of Wiki links, and offered nothing to substantiate your view that one should not be skeptical of feminism, all the while pretentiously assuming an intellectual high ground and not deigning to argue anything.

One can point to a number of people who identify as "Marxist feminists" and the like, but, supposing that those few people aren't actually idealists (some, like Wittig, are surreptitious idealists), that does not in itself imply that feminism as an overall movement shouldn't be regarded as bourgeois idealism.

Besides that one cyberpunk cosplay, Id pol and a bad tatoo I have problems seeing what's wrong on the right.

>>>/liberalpol/

You showed me.

I think a distinction here needs to be made between the far-right in continetintial Europe and the far-right in the anglo-sphere. In Europe the far-right definitely seems like they are capable of attracting women to their movements (particulary in Eastern Europe where fascism and ultra-nationalism are more mainstreamed), though I'll avoid making some baseless claim about whether they are having more or less success attracting female recruits than the left.

In the Anglo-sphere by contrast the far-right is literally totally failing to attract women to their movement. A big part of this failure results from women's sensitivetey to the strong social stigma associated with being biggoted in this part of the world. Probably more important though is the far-rights misogyny and total failure to explain how their project is beneficial to the fairer sex.

I honestly think both we and they underestimate how badly this undercuts their long term chances of success. The best part (for us) is that they're caught in a double bind. Such a huge part of their recruiting is based on promising incels a virgin sex slave, they can't really backtrack on their whole women are property viewpoint. Regardless of whether the whole happy tradwife idea is true or not, modern women wan't to be able to choose their own partner and exit relationships if they go sour. Any political project which has a central goal of denying them these freedoms will not be attractive to them.

This is why far-right groups are almost entirely male with some female grifters/attention whore media figure heads (who btw are all unmarried "roasties), meanwhile socialist groups are typically like 30-40% women. Also well this probably seems like an absurd exageration, I have never met a single young Women who doesn't find socialism/communism an appealing idea.

Anglosphere reactionaries have are mostly american-style libertarians types (an artifact of settler-colonialism) and as such strongly resent contemporary women for working and often blame them for the "fall of the west."

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I'm a masculine-looking guy. Actually as masculine as it gets, and I fuck twinks often because i like it. I fuck girls too, but maybe you craving some moustache-wearing big men is a telling sign already.

Hit the nail on the head here. The overwhelming majority of women just don't find being property (more specifically, property of the State) appealing. You will never convince women that they'd totally be happier in some Victorian-era LARP society. The Left needs to swoop in when needed and say to them that under socialism, they can have an incredible work-life balance which, historically, they did. We won't demand all women either work or stay home, they will have that choice and freedom unlike the rightists who want to make the latter the law.

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My impression is that the lot of them just ended up in the far-right by way of their boyfriend.

cuz they don't know marx

100% pure masculine thought is autism

autism meshes with fascism well, ingroup and outgroup is easy to understand with zero nuance and is entirely superficial.

maybe in the u.s, where genuine leftism only seems to exist in a few largely irrelevent orgs like the IWW or Democrat Cops of America, or in the u.k, but I don't get much of a manlet vibe when looking at Greece, russia, india, nepal, philippines, turkey, or hell, even japan, (which admittedly are too socdem) where JCP gatherings seem to be made up of mostly normal-looking middle class people.

While I don't think it's true that alright are more masculine than lefties, from what I've seen most groups are full of average top below average people like the general population, I think you are partially right.
Most rightwing groups in general talk about and idolise masculinity where lefties don't and so it would build a perception that they are what they idolise.
However anyone who knows much about the right wing knows that there is a big difference that and the reality.

In what world is the modern fascist considered the masculine ideal for women? Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever met a fashy woman before.

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most groups are going to look like the average person however there tends to be more of a lifting/self improvement culture on the right
youtube.com/watch?v=n8RiXlmzN6w

Dworkin literally wrote a book about EXACTLY this.

The comments on that video are gold, thank you for sharing.
I'm not sure how it is in Amerika or even western europe, but people usually tend to avoid skinhead looking types.

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They're 100% rape fetishists. They just want a big strong man to throw them around, tell them what to do, humiliate them, ect. It's all sexual pathology.

THE INFIGHTING IS REAL I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A MEME

It may be my supposed mexican-raping-genes but i'm pretty left and i have rape fantasies from time to time honestly.

It's like the difference between someone who sees furry art and thinks its hot, and someone who dresses up like their fursona when they have sex and insists one wearing cat ears in public.

t.
burger tranny which got on Zig Forums because voting democrats was not edgy enough

While party members of marxist parties tend to have more bookworms that fascist parties, which excel over any other parties in count of meth users, most leftists I know are either in shape thanks to manual labour job or realize that mind can consume theory and violent revolution is easier done in healthy body. Get a job. Leave your comfort circle. Get to know people around you.

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you sound almost like liberal, kiddo

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i love Elijah Wood

some whtie women are smart enough to realize that living among PoC apes is hell on earth

bbc sex revolution when

This just isn't true, have you seen the proud boys? They're all either skinnyfat or just straight up fat. Furthermore eventhough the fascists stress the importance of masculinity and exercise it's just a pose, most of the times they are confronted they lose, eventhough they constantly carry knives. Hell, where i live Soldiers of odin quit after a dragqueen knocked one of them out with a beer bottle.

You can't argue with superior Aryan genes. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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there is cringe on both sides however the right has more of a lifting/self improvement culture than the left

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Even though he's cringe he kind of looks adorable. Seeing the left pic where he smiles to the camera while hugging his grandma (I think) gives me a warm feeling. Looks like a child in an adult body.

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To respond to OP, they're usually bourgies who won't be affected by the retardation they advocate.
reminder that malnourished soy gooks PTSD'd a generation of well fed imperialists

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