That was in response to the last part in black, biding it’s time, developing capital until it wins at capital
On a scale of 1 to based. How based was this dude?
Jayden Martinez
Justin Powell
Then you clearly didn't understand what it meant.
China isn't just 'developing capital' and that you consider a notion like 'winning at capital' to be anything other than contradictory betrays your and other dengist shills' deeply unmarxist attitude
Jayden Clark
< we should not provide help to revolutions in other nations because of some quote
Well, Engels lucked out. If he wasn't long dead, he'd have to do some explainations (assuming, of course, that you did not rip the quote out of context or somesuch).
Isaiah Gomez
I’m not saying we shouldn’t help revolutions, I’m saying we shouldn’t go around imposing socialism on people who don’t want it. Often the working class is possessed by reactionary spooks, and are hostile to socialism despite being in its own interests. In situations like these attempting to force socialism on them accomplishes nothing.
Michael Flores
We shouldn't? How many Capitalists want Socialism? I'm feeling we should shelve the whole idea, as we are not going to ever get any noticeable amout of Capitalists on board.
In fact, even Petit-Bourgeois don't give a fuck about socialism.
What is this "working class"? If one worker out of thousand is "possessed by reactionary spooks", does this mean that revolution should not happen?
If it doesn't, if it is permissible to force this worker into socialism, then you don't have an argument - you are only bargaining about specific share of "working class" that is permissible to subject to threats and violence.
Christopher Jackson
None, but I’m talking about workers.
You have a pretty optimistic view there m8. The vast majority of workers in most countries unfortunately are hostile to socialism, I’m talking about situations like that. If you try to impose it on them then all you do is anger and alienate them, while being forced to do away with proletarian democracy since nobody actually supports you.
Logan Lewis
And you are ignoring my point.
Ian Gomez
wrong there even monument in belgrade that honor dead 1000 soviet troops that liberate belgrade
before war yugoslavia was under dictatorship because of growing tensions and murder in parlament when racic was murdered
or stalin dint have power like in poland
what??
yes by investing most of money in slovenia and croatia since muhhh yugoslavia is not big serbia which now serbia pay for those loans he took
he dint held he OWN yugoslavia and as soon he died soros and other jews wanted to give "freedom" to balkan by funding nationlist partys in every modern state
i will give it 2 since he was in prison in moscow for short time
Liam Barnes
tbh, you're the one ignoring his point as you're diverting what is really a question of pragmatism and how to most effectively spread revolution into a some search for a universal principle of justification for revolutionary action.
Its self-evident that a socialist government, any government, which does not have the support of at least a plurality of the population it governs is going to have to resort to widespread repressions in order to maintain control, these are not desirable and should be avoided. Sometimes we must realise that revolutionary conditions in one country coincide with a particularly reactionary mood in another and that an attempt to bring revolution from the outside to a region where the population opposes it will only consolidate reaction.
Sure with sufficient military might and state power it would be possible to subjugate the entire world to a single state even if not a single person wanted it, but realistically revolutionary forces will never have that sort of might, we always have been and almost certainly will be strained with limited means and to gamble on exporting the revolution to countries where a revolutionary mood does not dominate is foolish adventurism.
Joseph Ramirez