There are people on this board who unironically think that invading foreign countries and imposing socialism on them even when their workers don't want it is a good idea.
Right to self determination
Michael Brown
Cameron Lee
The built in censorship here and ban hammer crazy mod says otherwise.
Mason Adams
You get the ban for supporting Israel here though.
Nathaniel Stewart
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Aaron Cruz
Every knee must bow before socialism. Self-determination only works as a political concept and shpuld not be
treated as though it has any real theoretical function. We should tolerate other states until we can dominate them and liberate the working class there.
Kayden Hall
Spreading socialism through earning the support of workers and helping them overthrow their government is good. Spreading “socialism” through imposing it on workers who lack the class consciousness to want it is obviously bad. Such a situation would preclude proletarian democracy, and as a result not be a genuine dictatorship of the proletariat, allowing corruption and revisionism to fester and destroy the country. It would also alienate workers elsewhere and damage the image and standing of socialism. Revolution can only come from below.
Luis Morgan
Exactly. I like tanks and jets and other sexy war machines as much as anyone, but I still understand that ethically they are evil. You can separate your visceral, primitive, fascist-like impulse to 'hehehehhh, I wanna go kill someone', and for honour, and whatever else, from the intellectual part of your mind that accepts that warfare needs to be the last resort, always. I mean in how many wars in history was the aggressor actually in the right? Barely any of them, by modern understanding.
If socialism is to succeed at all, we have to focus on making it succeed inside our own hypothetical territories, if we can't convince the outside world then how do we have the moral authority to make war on them anyway? We need to demonstrate our success to the extent that it can no longer be denied.
Anthony Barnes
It's not just a question of ethics. It's the most basic rule of statecraft that a regime cannot function without the consent of the population, and regimes imposed by a foreign invasion almost never last in the long term. Socialism imposed through invasion would only intensify the reactionary and nationalist sentiments of the population, and produce an army of counterrevolutionaries drawn from ordinary workers. It would also necessarily be undemocratic, and thus susceptible to corruption and revisionism, and not a genuine worker's state. Even from a purely practical perspective, the imposition of socialism through an invasion can only bring a shaky, unstable, and unpopular vassal state, that will inevitably collapse into a stronghold of reaction.
Hunter Rivera
It was just a meme to prevent nationalist movements from joining american side in the cold war but some leftist took it seriously and now defend fascist dictatorships and islamic theocracies instead of socialists revolutions that got military aid from america.