So… now that the dust has settled.
Was 9/11 an inside job conducted by the CIA? Or was it just coordinated by Saudi billionaires?
So… now that the dust has settled.
Was 9/11 an inside job conducted by the CIA? Or was it just coordinated by Saudi billionaires?
Bush did 7\11 prove me wrong
Idk who did it, but I think they should have done it one million times more.
Chances are there was some shady stuff happening.
My guess is that someone was at least negligent and they pushed it under the rug. Whether it was purposeful negligence is still hard to say.
Gulf of Tonkin incident, if it's been done before it will be done again.
Zig Forums is far right
/pol/ is far left
Great swathes of discourse are purchased by rich people who are such charismatically incompetent chimpanzees they can’t understand how to persuade people that up is up and down is down. They reverse everything because they live in fear of spiteful crazies who reverse everything; there’s nothing necessary or especially effective about this pattern versus a pattern of sincere engagement, and it mostly serves to stress its perpetrators while amusing its targets. Who, yes, often do the reversed thing, but tend comically to more self-awareness than they’re given credit for.
Also, while corrupt incompetent asshats manipulate every forum in their distressed paranoia, there’s a Grecian anarchist on a hunger strike for a cause that deserves to be heard. How can you eat while the law is a hypocrisy?
Tbh I do rate the US setting up all that demolition stuff then letting Al-Qaeda take all the credit for it tbh.
No. At most the burgers knew it was coming but let it happen.
no, it was some autists from germany who get radicalised because of their alienation and who let themselves be used by some sand-people to crash into buildings of amrifats and afterwards the usa used that as a justify bombing other sand-people. Twice.
but there aint no fucking conspiracy
it was a part-time job
the actual existing 9/11 conspiracy is that it was funded and assisted by elements of the saudi government/intelligence services
by the CIA
You mean Israel aka the Jews?
aka the CIA yes
Also it wasn't an inside job, the hijackers were actually government paid agents who made it look a hijacking in order to invade Iraq on behalf of Israel.
it wasn't an inside job
they were government agents
Doesn't this mean that it WAS one?
9/11 Senior intelligence officers:
#1). Daniel Ellsberg, former military analyst and famed whistleblower said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there’s enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.
#2). Raymond McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials said "I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke", and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.
#3). William Bill Christison, a 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis said "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11."
#4). Lynne Larkin, a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about "serious shortcomings," "omissions," and "major flaws" in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored).
#5). David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job.
#6). Robert Baer, a decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East", and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job.
#7). Melvin Goodman, the Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 — 1990 and who also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 — 2004 said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup."
#8). Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army, a Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland AND former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence questions the government’s version of the events of 9/11.
#9). Bob Graham, the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House.
#10). Patrick Leahy, current Democratic U.S. Senator said: "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"
#11). Ron Paul, current Republican Congressman calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"@web.archive.org
#12). Dennis Kucinich, current Democratic Congressman, hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11.
#13). Jason Chafetz, current Republican Congressman, says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11.
#14). Mike Gravel, former Democratic Senator, states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don’t know the truth about 9/11.
#15). Lincoln Chaffee, former Republican Senator, endorses a new 9/11 investigation.
#16). Dan Hamburg, former U.S. Democratic Congressman, says that the U.S. government "assisted" in the 9/11 attacks, stating that "I think there was a lot of help from the inside".
#17). Curt Weldon, former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.
The Commission’s co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements.
#18). Lee Hamilton, 9/11 Commission co-chair, says "I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.
#19). Timothy Roemer, 9/11 Commissioner, said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting".
#20). Max Cleland, 9/11 Commissioner, resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".
#21). Bob Kerrey, 9/11 Commissioner, said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . ."
#22). John Farmer, Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission — who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry — recently said "At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true."
Other government officials:
#23). General Wesley Clark, U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart said "We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time."
#24). Morton Goulder, former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism, along with Edward L. Peck, and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer J. Michael Springmann, jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11.
#25). John Loftus, former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services says "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence." The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility.
#26). Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals is a member of a group which doubts the government’s version of 9/11.
#27). Col. Ronald D. Ray, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn’t hunt".
#28). Louis Freeh, the former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission.
#29). Col. Robert Bowman, Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions stated: "If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot–I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what they’ve changed them to–if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. "That is treason!"
#30). Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government’s version of 9/11.
Inside Job means there was bombs placed inside the building, it wasn't since the government agents were able tho bring the towers down with planes.
Run of the mill operation northwoods.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the CIA planned the attack. But I'm gonna guess that they knew about some plan, but let it happen. Of course, not everyone in the Administration/Pentagon/etc was in on it, just some key players who were able to create confusion, like jets being scrambled by NORAD for a drill that involved a scenario where US commercial airliners are hijacked at exactly the same time as the real hijacking was going on. Perhaps they even green lighted the terrorists to come to the US, knowing they are planning an attack, etc.
CIA/whatever doesn't have to be the mastermind, just complicit in it. Much like the NZ and AUS intelligence services warned the US that the Japanese are moving their fleet and planning a big attack. The US moved all its carriers out of Pearl Harbour for a drill (what a lucky coincidence!) and left aging destroyers in the port to be attacked and destroyed. Sea battles between battleships were a thing of the past, new warfare was carriers, bombers, submarines, the US could afford to lose a few ships in Pearl Harbor, it was the carriers the Japanese wanted to destroy.
Reactionaries in burgerland shoot up other burgers daily in the name of saving burgerland. Reactionaries in other countries hating burgerland and committing 9/11 isn't surprise. The U.S. right were already hungry for war and were happy for an excuse for it.
I've been deep in the reactionary rabbit hole and I know this sort of shit is the logical conclusion to reactionary thought. Why do you think the holocaust happened? Why do you think most terrorist acts are committed by reactionaries? Luckily I eventually went left and radically changed my mindset. Don't underestimate the inhumanity reactionaries are willing to commit. They are far worse than you believe.
btw did you know Jim Morrisons dad oversaw the gulf of tonkin incident
Both. Saudi Arabia carried out the attack. Bush had received intel from the CIA that the Saudis were planning it but decided to do nothing to stop it because he wanted an excuse to invade the Middle East.
A better question is why would elements of the Saudi state carry out an attack on their most important ally?
Why would America frame a Saudi Arabian for the hijacking when it very clearly wanted to protect Saudi Arabia from suspicion and would go on to use the attacks to go after countries other than Saudi Arabia?
No the jews are innocent.
"war on terror"
and so on and so on
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