/leftybritpol/ - Crying Over Split Melts Edition

newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/there-no-clear-space-new-centrist-party-scotland

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Surprised the NS aren't chewing at the bit to back them tbh, there's a lot of potential in them to become as bad as the graun/indy.

building on:
I don't think it will weaken Corbyn's position in labour, even if it does damage the chances of a GE majority.
And in the long run it's better that the spots are filled by Corbynites next election, assuming the seats are won by labour.
Also if Berger isn't at the conference she won't have to be protected by security, which is a silver lining all round I reckon.

twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1097560798296182784
So it appears it's gonna allow the two pervs to join…

Depends, I've seen horror stories about 30 MPs splitting but I doubt that. If it keeps to this, we should be fine.

On the petition thing: that can only happen if they are suspended from the house and/or they are under arrest.

Well I guess if you are gonna go all-in…

Based

So let me get this straight…
Labour split between Corbyn and the Blairites and now the Blairites have split between those who want to keep being Blairites and people who just want to drop the mask and become Tories (They tried to invite some regional Tory leader to lead their party)
And now one of the members has said something (One could consider racist) on live TV Blowing the whole Muh Raschist Anti-Shemetic Labour Angle!

Their more likely to join the Lib-Dems if anything.
It's either that or face political career sucide even the tories wouldn't take most of them.

I didn't look forward to this spilt but i am quite mad that it happened. These fuckers have sabotaging the Labour leadership for years and always like to remind everyone Corbyn rebellious backbencher past when called out. And now these fuckers have the gall to leave? Say what you will about Corbyn, at least he doesn't fucking leave his party when it was going to shit around him.

This is a good thing, they've finally shown their hand. It was worse when they were pretending to be Labour, Corbyn couldn't remove the snakes for fear of backlash, now they've put themselves in the open.

Can't wait for the tabloid take on all this.
They need invent new ways of belittling Corbyn. Surely they must be out by now.

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I'm feeling lucky

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YES. FUCKING QUADS. I've been lurking all night for these.

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You wasted your winning roll at numerical ouija by refusing to even make a statement or make a wish. Shit quads mate.

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Also,
That's wrong.

absolute jealousy

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Dan Hodges has gone off the deep end.

It appears the Chuka brothers arent planning on working with the lib dems but instead to replace them: let's see how that goes…

If so, amazing, let them have at eachother and both die completely as the british public grows to hate them even more than they instinctively do.

I mean the greatest irony is that it might push the lib dems towards keynesianism again…

telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/18/tory-minister-four-conservative-backbench-mps-poised-join-new/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
So some Tories are gonna jump ship. Reminder that the Gov with the DUP has a majority of 7.

I guess. I am hoping the fallout that permanently handicapped Labour and Corbyn.

WEW LAD

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the fallout doesn't permanently handicapped Labour and Corbyn.

It will handicap him for less than week. If there is an election this summer then it might be an issue depending on if they run in ultra marginal seats or if they stick to their current ones. No on. Them leaving is a massive burden off the Labour party, also the shitshow of a launch will probably put off the quieter Blairites from leaving. It would be nice if they stood for by-elections to see then all loose but I doubt they have enough balls

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i chuckled

Kjek.

I think the dangerpoint of a New Centrist Party is about from July to November: before that they will be far too organisationally weak to do anything, after they they lose their "shiny new quality".
Also they have said they won't contest either the Peterborough or Newport West by-elections because they are massive flaming pussies.
As for the launch, it wasn't just that is putting people off but other outlying issues, doesn't help that on the same day the leader of Liverpool's Militant council was allowed back it: that's just shit optics.

He was actually let back in ages ago they just re did the article from November( I think ) so they probably just did it to push the "Labour is unelectable left wing nutjobs" line. I thought Peterborough wont have one since the MP is only getting 3 months jail time which isn't enough to trigger a by election.

Bercow can call for a recall vote (he is question it atm purely because there might be an election by the time the process is done) which would trigger one. Considering literally everyone including Labour want a by-election such a vote would succeed.

Lamo people are getting triggered that "Derek Hatton is a GILF" is a thing.
He is 71 btw.

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The fucking blue checkmark brigade are out in full force today, if I hadn't already given up on the Guardian I'd be outraged at them running blatant smear pieces about the current situation. They just can't help themselves.

How the fuck is he 71

dude centrism lmao

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Tbh the reactions to the New BASEDman running an article on how he's fit makes me think we do actually live in the best timeline.

Well known as shit, they only sample sky viewers.

not even a real polling company

I'm not too worried about Labour doing badly in the polls, it's the integrity of their campaigning machine that's key to the elections.

Tbh for shits and giggles ran it through a swingometer with the Independent Group going to the Liberals (assumes an alliance). Kinda funny the results just lead to PURE UNGOVERNABILITY.

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I want to suck the Trotskyism right out of him through his dick

It's as if they already know that their time has come to an end. The suffocating, grey smog of neoliberalism is starting to fade.

pretty sure he's no longer a trot, since the distinction isn't particularly relevant post-ussr. Still daddy tho.

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bloody hell, he doesn't look half bad for 71, you know.

Could be an even shakier c&s deal with DUP again

Fiver says the DNVs heard independent and thought it was Farage's new party.

Nah that won't cover the gap.

Eh the poll is of skyviewers: which while that does contain a certain gammon cohort I think they realise it's called the brexit party. Still yet to see a poll with that in it tbh.

Found on leddit

Also of note is that they haven't done an election poll for seemingly a year at least so there's nothing to compare it to.

Tbh, when do you think "Independent Friends of Israel" is gonna get founded?

hopefully labour friends of israel will just rebrand

no fucking way

Holy shit unironically Labour Friends of Israel might have its own leader defect…

With NINE grandkids.

Oh mate trots still exist in Britain bigtime. But even if he is a trot he was a very bad one (he is literally a landlord porky).

I wasn't referring to trots not existing im one myself, just that Hatton claimed he abandoned trotskyism and the far left altogether ages ago.

Was Militant Good or Bad? Is there anything that isn't a pile of shit I can use to look into it?

Why do people become trots? tell me, I can't figure it out, there's a new trot party popping up in Ireland

Oh yeah you're probs right: although he certainly ain't a Blairite. Tbh I just hope he doesn't become a major figure.

They were really clever until they weren't: the redundancy thing was a massive fuck-up considering they had massive popular support. Derek Hatton also BULLDOZED an entire public botanical garden because their workers refused to strike on one day. Also their entryism was way to blatant.

Dunno about Ireland but in Britain it's because they controlled the british far and hard left at unis.

reading theory tbqh

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lmfao wew lad

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Quality mate. Might edit the tory office thing at the bottom, perhaps replace it with southside?

Lol, I think it works pretty well how it is.

Anyway in non Blairite news, it's just some through that the girl who joined ISIS at age 14/15 has had her UK citizenship revoked in blatant contradiction of international law, but who cares right? The government needs something they can spin as a positive and after Brexit the UK will probably collapse anyway so who cares about our reputation as a real liberal democracy.

Should have these run in key marginals immediately tbh. Just keep the boot on the neck.

They're claiming she can get Bangladeshi citizenship, I can't understand why they haven't just quietly disposed of her yet, they've more or less admitted to specifically targeting British born fighters before now

Right.

They are becoming increasingly distance from uni campus now. I know a lot of people involved in uni left wing societies and only know 2 trots. Where as 20 years ago nearly every left wing uni group was openly affiliated with some trot group few are now. Instead quite a lot are run via trot front organisations ie Student left network (AWL I think), Marxist Student federation (have no idea heard they might be Socialist party) ect. However often these groups are actually pretty anti-trot especially with all the sexual assault scandals and other shit. Basically they affiliate with them because for some weird reason trots have a shit tonne of money which they through at anyone who wants it and can listen to their shit for 5 mins. Quite a few lefty uni groups are just independent now. Where I'm from the trots are just weird pensioners who comment shit about momentum being run by Stalinist and Maoists so I keep clear of them.

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Hold on is that pic implying Trotsky was cumming when he got the Axe?

A) She's got Bangledshi citizenship.
B) Nobody except disgusting muslim scum gives a fuck.

sauce?

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I've changed the address (sorry for the low quality I made it on my phone :P )

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Marxist student federation is with the IMT pretty sure.

She's a child of Bengali immigrants so she should have Bangladeshi citizenship by birthright. Coincidentally my old schoolmate used to know the girls before they left although he didn't tell me much about them.

She's having her citizenship revoked for what she did when she was 14, I think that's a bit fucked up don't you? She hasn't even been charged with a crime. If the government wants to punish her they should put her in a court of law. Oh but she can 'appeal' the decision.

She's completely unremorseful.

I can smell trotskyite nonsense about anti imperialist fascists coming from this post

She's shown no remorse, she's literally said she still agrees with a lot of the groups views
She's only looking to come back because the alternative is a refugee camp or Bangladesh

Irrelevant, revoking citizenship isn't supposed to be used as a punishment, it's a basic component of international law. She hasn't been tried or convicted of anything. It's yet another tabloid abortion of justice and smh at you guys for falling for it. The UK is apparently going to become a rogue state after Brexit.

I for one welcome this development.

Yeah keep dreaming about lexit, the billionaires who pushed it will be the ones rewriting our laws.

It wouldn't be a leftybritpol thread without your constant red liberalism.

Sorry if I prefer to be pragmatic and prefer lukewarm liberalism to cryptofascism.

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who needs due process anyway?

Everything is cryptofascist to you, you big baby.

Thank you for your bravery in critically supporting the British establishment against trot imperialism