Here we.. here we.. here we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

And just like that he dropped out of the race already. All because of some guy named Phillip.

Attached: rip.png (585x651, 204.14K)

he has a PhD though mate
he must be a really smart Philip

THey're yanks they get touchy about swearing.

So how do we go forward with this?

I'm aware Bernie probably isn't going to bring forward any kind of communist revolution, but I feel that, as Marxists, we should put that aside and analyze our real material and political conditions as they are rather than as we might wish them to be. There's been some good news of radical labor organizing and even some small dual power community projects, but elections are still really the only game in town when it comes to the political consciousness of the greater mass of proletarians, and as such we ought to participate. Would supporting Bernie again this time help further the cause of the left, or should we ignore him to focus on an opposition party to the left of Sanders?

I'm not expecting full communism or even basic socialist revolution out of this, I'm simply talking about what will ultimately further our cause in the here and now, which at the moment is spreading class consciousness, moving politics to the left, creating greater working class organization and hopefully giving the proletariat a sense of its own power.

#NeverBernie is already trending on twitter. I don't think he his run is as welcomed as it was in 2016.

Twitter trends are easily influenced by bot swarms and liberal suburbanites, don't take it as representative of the actual country.

Pushing further left is always good in the electoral field as long as we don't end up like the liberals and end up getting swindled by someone like Obama who acted more left than he was. Not because it is a viable path to attaining power, but because it is an effective means to spread class consciousness and show that we are fighting on behalf of the people on all fronts.

Attached: CrQjCfHVUAEduUV.jpg (619x1000, 109.16K)

There are still fucking people on this board who fall for this same old swindle? What the fuck?

Is there like a constant rotation of children on this board?

Yeah yeah we get it, LESSER OF TWO EVILS, IT'S THE BEST WE HAVE, WHAT ARE -YOU- DOING?

We get it, mr "leftist".

I wasn't implying that we should support Sanders, I was saying that we need some sort of definite response to this. And I think the question for now is if there is still value in supporting a Sanders campaign or if we should construct an opposition to the left of Sanders.

see

I do think that shilling Bernie is the most fun way to piss off mainstream Democrats, so I'll support him without going out of my way to do it. Everyone else with the Democrats just blend together into the same shit.

Wasn't he the only bloke to vote against the Gulf War? Which war did he vote for?

He constantly calls for the bombing and intervention of countries like NK, Syria and previously libya. I think his protest against the gulf war was the only case. Micheal parenti even criticized the guy.

Sources?

Bosnia
But I don't see why any leftist would be on the side of the Serbs in that conflict

Tbh the entire Yugoslav conflict was a colossal clusterfuck that if you were watching occur contemporarily would be impossible to analyse properly.

We can also piss them off with Tulsi Gabbard, she has the most hardline anti-imperialist stance I've seen and it rustles liberal jimmies perhaps even harder than Sanders does.

Attached: gabbard venezuela2.jpg (1200x859 49.17 KB, 116.3K)

wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/22/sand-m22.html

icl-fi.org/english/spc/189/sanders.html

globalresearch.ca/why-bernie-sanders-is-an-imperialist-pig/5595007

twitter.com/sensanders/status/850368736414576640?lang=en

twitter.com/sensanders/status/999681965526798336?lang=en

I don't even know why I need to do this. Like, did you genuinely think bernie was a socialist?

Attached: DtwPfu9X4AALT5g.jpg (168x300 53.1 KB, 12.54K)

First picture but higher res.

Attached: wX1LVYC.jpg (1080x1218, 261.85K)

You should have read all those posts. He ultimately denounced any intervention in Venezuela. Though, yeah, the fact that he felt the need to qualify his denunciation with two tweets of pure neocon propaganda isn't great.

🤢🤮

kys yourself fagela

Bernie is an imperialist and has a tiny schmeckel

The rhetorical trick worked though, him giving a half assed objection to intervention at the end of his thread doesn't negate the damage done by this propoganda. It's made worse that this propaganda is legitimized by a supposed "left-wing" politician.

He's really been bending over for the Dems recently. I made the mistake of listening to one of his podcasts and he literally went on a several minute Muh Russia tirade.

Yeah much better to be on the side of the Saudi supported mujaheddins.
Or the literally fash croats

It'd be hilarious if he did better this time, and they'd have to shank him again. If I was a yank, I'd support him.

When i start to think that chapos are starting to get more radical they go back to slurping the big demsucc dick

Attached: 1274729852248.jpg (800x680, 92.61K)

Also the west wasn't on the side of Herzeg-Bosnia: otherwise at Dayton they would have got their own republic.

Attached: 68F7BF7E-0C4A-4522-9853-2BF75CADBCD5.png (500x386, 299.55K)

I genuinely think the liberal establishment doesn't want him to win, and prefer him over Trump. That's about it.

Bernie would be ineffectual as president because congress is such a liberal cluster fuck, even from a socdem perspective.
Best thing that can happen is that Bernie wins the nomination and the popular vote against Trump, but still loses the presidency.

because #NeverTrump worked out so well

You vote for Bernie, retard. He’s not perfect but he’s better than orange crypto-fascists and neoliberal goons

Bernie swayed me left and I eventually became socialist due to that, personal experience in that is part of why I back him. I'd like to see other people take a similar route.

The best thing for the American "left" would be a repeat of 2016. If Bernie actually won he would be very ineffective due to massive reactionary legislative interference.

Be prepared for a repeat of 2016

Attached: joe-biden-bernie-sanders-kamala-harris.jpg (3000x2000, 586.32K)

She's an astroturfing faux progressive? I mean if you want obama 2.0 then Harris is your candidate. Get ready for your Harris Care (TM).

I will probably be supporting Bernie but I really wish tulsi gabbard could win. Can't fracture the left vote when up against Harris, Booker, Warren, etc.

t. crypto-fascist Zionist bootlicker who supports drone-strikes and opposed the JCPOA

Kamala Harris' staff is literally working for Twitter, Inc. and they're banning all accounts critical to Kamala Harris. Bernie Sanders has promised to back whoever the eventual 2020 Democrat nominee will be.

twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1097304162688225280
twitter.com/CrookedCopmala/status/1092063983736098818
cnbc.com/2019/02/01/twitter-has-suspended-suspected-troll-accounts-posting-anti-kamala-harris-content-.html
twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1091431592847990790

Attached: DyWK3jsU0AAvRYP.jpg (318x443, 21.38K)

Ultimately this is why Sanders will lose. He is not prepared to actually do what needs to be done. He hates politics and has a history of refusing to go for the kill when he is able which is something his opponents have no issue doing.

Even if he did get momentum he’d get cucked by the superdelegates

Not really.

The president has the power to rein in imperialist foreign policy, which would be much more important for the world than some bullshit socdem reforms. Bernie might actually show some spine on imperialism if he was in power and didn't feel the need to fit in with Democrat shitters any more.

y'all actually believe the vote isn't just rigged?

there were clear anomalies in the 2016 primary that have been exposed at length. like, ridiculous margins of difference between exit polls and the official results that invariably favored Clinton, which was markedly unusual even in recent American history (early American history was frank about ballot stuffing and other shenanigans, to the point where it was a popular running joke).

Nice try, COINTELPRO

Pro tip for Bordigists and whoever else: temporary compromise is not the same as admitting defeat, read Lenin. Socdems will stand down and agree to decisions that go against the long term agenda like war. But that's not the same as taking $15/hr instead of $22/hr

There are very good reasons not to shill Tulsi.

He's misinformed. Ultimately having the best take on what's going on in other countries isn't his job. His job is to stop war and sanctions.

Are you denying that Russia is acting against America?

2016 was a unique case for several reasons. Of course the whole thing is rigged if they want it to be. But it's not advantageous for them to rig it any more.
I think if Bernie gets cucked it will be because of Biden forcing a contested convention.

Bernie supports imperialism though.

that's wrong but ok

Look at his comments on Maduro.

I did. Lol. He specifically said we shouldn't invade or interfere.

He's also anti-sanctions iirc

Oh wow what amazing anti-imperialism. Helps to promote intervention while also washing his hands of it.

Now apply your logic to a regime where it actually is true like Pol Pot's Cambodia. Should we have fucking invaded just because that shit was true? No. Fuck no. The Vietnamese ended up doing it a) for their own safety and b) because the Cambodians are their brothers and that was much better than us doing it

Vote for Bernie you retards.

This, this, this
Temporary compromise is not the same as admitting defeat, vote for daddy Bernie bitch. He's a deep cover anarcho-communist anyway

Oh boy, here we go again!
Their own safety? The Vietnamese wanted to destroy the revolution. The most advanced revolution ever, destroyed by treason. As one would expect of Vietnamese bugmen. They invaded and militarily occupied Kampuchea, installing their Khmer puppet-traitors in place of the Angkar. This was the culmination of a long line of crimes. Read the Black Paper
Brothers hahahaahahha

Alright guys, I understand full well that Bernie is a social democrat. HOWEVER, he is also the most popular politician in America. I think the right tactic is to piggyback on his support and drive the movement further left. Or as Zizek puts it:
button) and all of a sudden the entire reality around him disintegrates. In the United States, universal healthcare is obviously such a point of the impossible; in Europe, it seems to be the cancellation of the Greek debt, and so on. It is something you can, in principle, do, but de facto you cannot or should not do – you are free to choose it on condition that you do not actually choose it.

We need to be the ones in the Bernie movement saying that "in order to really have universal healthcare, we also need…". In other words, we need to slowly introduce the idea of class struggle, and the idea that these things (living wage, universal healthcare, free collage, no more wars, etc.) cannot happen in a capitalist system. This, I think, is the most effective praxis we can engage in right now.

Attached: 711slavojzizek.jpg (1152x768, 103.63K)

She's black Hilary without the charisma.

Hillary never had charisma. She's just black Hillary.

if by some chance Bernie wins the neolibs will just start a third party so that they can "ethically" allow Trump to be re-elected.
it won't come to that because honestly Bernie doesn't have the support to even win if the elections were legit. only against someone as terrible as Clinton would they need to use the riggage so blatantly. Copmala doesn't seem to be anywhere near the incompetence of Hillary, not that she is even remotely decent but Hillary is monstrously terrible at politics even by American standards, to the point where she needs to pick ridiculously overmatched opponents to win any office whatsoever.

thatsthejoke.jpg

I don't understand the point of this defeatism. For one, I think the idea that it will be as easy for them to meme for Kamala as it was for them to meme for Hillary is mistaken. Hillary had been a national figure for almost 30 years and it was Her Turn and all. Kamala is just the designated not Bernie. And some people prefer other candidates to her. Even if we get cucked again it was worth trying. And yes, a split is quite likely (Schultz/Weld ticket anybody?) but I don't think that will go anywhere meaningful

Every person calling themselves a leftist in burgerstan has to help his campaign. Work, volunteering, activism, everything.

it's not defeatism to recognize when a game is rigged or stupid to begin with. honestly i think Bernie would be a pretty awful president. decent man, sure, and i'll throw him a bone so long as voting is easy for me. but he's going to run into the hard realities of empire and can't fund his social programs without continuing America's aggressive stance. at best he can put people in the government who will pull back from the absolutely stupid Bush plan and, hopefully, build something to weather the fallout when America's currency tanks.

we almost certainly will have a brokered convention because, hey, the Democrats like losing and can't into politics. Bernie can't get the olds and the people who have an investment in the system as it is currently set up. they don't want to share their medicare or their social security, and they don't want some green new deal bullshit.

tfw Bernie is the best we got

I can't say anything to this other than that I strongly disagree. He will be positioned to preside over probably the biggest economic bust since the Great Depression and just like with Obama that comes with a lot of early clout that I have a hunch he's much less likely to lose. His policies are incredibly popular and ultimately he is the commander in chief; if anything the deep state may assassinate him for not going to war but they didn't get Carter.
t. will place another several thousand calls for the Bernie campaign no matter what, so yeah I'm biased

Hey, want to have a nightmare?
Imagine the economic bust doesn't come until 2021, thus making Bernie the target of all the blame for crashing the economy.
Say hello to an era of blackest reaction!

He's a socdem at best but st this point, it's the best burgers can hope for. But if Clinton runs, he's fucked because she'll have the idpol liberals in force.

I'm not sure how well that would work. But yes, that is a concern. If that happens I say it's a good opportunity to start fresh while Dems have a majority. The Republicans in 2024 are quite likely to be even goofier. It will be Christie, Cruz, and Rubio again. I trust Bernie or his VP to go against that kind of competition in the wake of Trump.

Read Our Revolution

Don't worry, there is no way that will happen. Global growth is slowing down sharply right now. When the crash hits, it will likely be late 2019 or early 2020. At most it will be late 2020. But it is almost impossible for it to happen in 2021.

last time governments learned the fine art of massive deficit spending and planned economic policy as a necessity to mitigate capitalist crises. that trick only works once though, and we can only run up so much debt before something breaks.

also agree with . Trump and the Republicans' strategy has been to just not fuck with what Obama built, and they can probably keep it up for a few more years at least.

summarise,

Well, I was mostly invoking the Introduction. He has a very interesting bit comparing how children organize their play in the streets in an anarchistic fashion with the possibility of running our society like that. Don't forget his past with the Liberty Union Party.

We will probably have the legislative majorities to pass huge rich pepal taxes though.

Why does he have to be anti-gun

Attached: ClipboardImage.png (1000x750, 1.1M)

Actually Bernie's pretty pro-gun because Vermont has really lax gun laws.

I think anti-gun makes us safer and as far as armed revolt it's pretty hopeless against the government, the next chapter of warfare is drones anyway and how are we supposed to fight those with guns? Seriously, it becomes a matter of "they can't kill us all" at some point, they rely on our labor at least right now. I can't say what a Galt's Gulch type situation where the rich live in full automation and abandon the rest of us would look like but I have a feeling we'd just work outside of them anyway, if they don't need anything from us they'll let us do whatever we want

It's debatable. He's more pro-gun than most Democrats but he's hardly a stickler

He's calling for an "assault weapons" ban probably on the federal level. Also armed revolution isn't the only thing at stake.

What else? I honestly can't think of any

you don't get to play at the Democrat table is you don't support gun bans, at least nominally. Bernie was pushing it in 2016 just for not supporting a nakedly outrageous bill that would have accomplished nothing for crime prevention and led to all manner of bureaucratic chaos, and they tried to rake him over the coals for that reasonable position.

i'm not overly concerned about the gun thing tbh because i ain't submitting a gun to any registry or letting a weapon be tracked in any way whatsoever. gun registries are bourgeois and they have overwhelming support from both parties.

It wouldn't affect me because my gun supply is basically Canada-legal Mosins and SKS.

If I were to arm a left-wing militia I'd just arm the masses with cheap Mini-14 ranch rifles with scopes. Walmart style. Half the price of an AR and functionally the same damn thing.

Defending yourself from police or other heavily armed state entities that wouldn't necessarily mean revolution. Also community self-defense as to call for the abolition of the police.

I mean, okay, I fetishize my commie guns, but you don't really need to fetishize guns. The right makes guns into a fetish. Keep it simple, cheap and practical.

Honestly community SD types would be fine with a fucking six-shooter though, for crime-stopping purposes and in large part for anti-cop purposes. Again I'd consider some of that armed revolution

a Mini-14 isn't that cheap and depending on what the qualifications for the ban are it could very well be covered.

Bernie's campaign had that too. Our apps just fucking sucked to navigate lol and we ended up going through some neighborhood that was obviously upper-middle class and white. Didn't know the area and people didn't really like us except for this one extremely high boomer hippie couple that we talked with for a bit.

Well it was the first time it was done in Britain mate and it won us seats.

Why not?

kek

is tru, tho

Social-democrat is such a horrible word to describe people who occasionally spout reformist policies. Few people that browse this board are even aware social-democrat used to be a synonym of communist. Yet nowadays even Theodore Roosevelt or Wilson would pass as one.

LIBS ARE OUTRAGED

twitter.com/search?q=bernie sanders&src=typd

Attached: p0io.png (588x220 12.45 KB, 18.66K)

Common sentiment among proles in US seems to be that Sanders is a sheepdog. It seems like middle class people are shilling hard for him.